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Wed, 19 January 2011 07:51

crysis992
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Hey,

so it is possible to auto download maps with the tt patch?
Now my question, some servers also my server run a custom sound pack, but the client need to download this pack to hear the sounds. Will it be possible that the tt patch also download the sounds?
Like you put wth.wav in the server data folder and the client download all .wav files before the map loads, like in Counterstrike Razz

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Re: TT downloader [message #442961 is a reply to message #442959]

Wed, 19 January 2011 08:39

Spyder
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I don't think this will work with .wav files if every server starts publishing their custom sound packs like this. Files would have to be overwritten every time you join a server that is using the same filenames as your server is using.

I think it would be better if servers just used a .pkg or .dat archive holding all the files. Then the file will be renamed to, let's say a public key for that server. When a player wants to join the server, the server sends its public key to the client, which then loads all assets belonging to that specific server.

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Re: TT downloader [message #442969 is a reply to message #442959]

Wed, 19 January 2011 15:52

GEORGE ZIMMER
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A better idea is to just have one map in the rotation that contains all the sound files or something.

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Re: TT downloader [message #442970 is a reply to message #442959]

Wed, 19 January 2011 16:37

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"...like in Counterstrike"

Oh god no. I'd rather not have to wait an extra half hour to download a gigabyte in simpsons .wav files (Again. >:[) just because the server owner thinks he's funny.

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Re: TT downloader [message #442975 is a reply to message #442959]

Wed, 19 January 2011 17:11

StealthEye
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Quote:

I think it would be better if servers just used a .pkg or .dat archive holding all the files. Then the file will be renamed to, let's say a public key for that server. When a player wants to join the server, the server sends its public key to the client, which then loads all assets belonging to that specific server.

Yes, it is possible and it works somewhat similar to that, just rather than a kind of server key it uses some kind of package files and corresponding identifiers; multiple servers can use the same package(s) if they want.

It's up to the server owner to decide what he thinks is funny, and it's up to the player to join a server that he thinks has a reasonable configuration. Wink

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Re: TT downloader [message #442976 is a reply to message #442959]

Wed, 19 January 2011 17:39

GEORGE ZIMMER
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Wait, is TT going to allow .pkg's to be downloaded? I thought you guys were going to make only .mix's downloadable.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443022 is a reply to message #442959]

Thu, 20 January 2011 16:10

StealthEye
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Neither. It's something new, to avoid .mix files interfering with each other and to be a little more flexible in downloading.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443025 is a reply to message #443022]

Thu, 20 January 2011 19:09

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StealthEye wrote on Thu, 20 January 2011 17:10

Neither. It's something new, to avoid .mix files interfering with each other and to be a little more flexible in downloading.

Oh hey that's awesome.

So will .pkg mods and such still work?

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Re: TT downloader [message #443037 is a reply to message #442959]

Fri, 21 January 2011 05:29

StealthEye
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Yes.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443550 is a reply to message #442959]

Fri, 04 February 2011 17:58

grant89uk
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Has the auto map downloader had any sort of stress test lol? Renegade lags already so much as it is nevermind having like 20 people downloading a map from the server at the same time possibly.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443559 is a reply to message #442959]

Sat, 05 February 2011 01:54

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The maps are not downloaded from the server, they are downloaded from a URL, which could be hosted on a different machine to the server itself.

(As I understand it anyway, not really spent that much time setting it up)

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Re: TT downloader [message #443564 is a reply to message #443559]

Sat, 05 February 2011 04:27

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It should work with any webhost, so if say game-maps.net has the .mix or whatever uncompressed on their webserver, the game will download it. Either way, whether you download from the server or from a different server doesn't matter as it will need a separate process (like apache) to be made available, which means it will take none of the (singlethreaded) renegade thread.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443598 is a reply to message #442959]

Sun, 06 February 2011 00:39

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What if the url is down?

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Re: TT downloader [message #443601 is a reply to message #442959]

Sun, 06 February 2011 05:54

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Then you won't be able to download the map and either have to play elsewhere or install the package manually.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443604 is a reply to message #443601]

Sun, 06 February 2011 09:17

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StealthEye wrote on Sun, 06 February 2011 13:54

Then you won't be able to download the map and either have to play elsewhere or install the package manually.

Or you set up multiple mirror websites hosted by volunteers or communities...

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Re: TT downloader [message #443625 is a reply to message #442959]

Sun, 06 February 2011 17:25

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For simplicity of implementation and configuration, that's not possible. There's only one location per server at which the client will look for packages. Although there's no direct support, there are still tricks to do it, for example it is possible to use HTTP redirects or whatever to get it to download from different locations if the actual HTTP server is not down. Or the server owner can (temporarily) change the repository URL to a different location.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443626 is a reply to message #442959]

Sun, 06 February 2011 17:29

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Kinda the FastDL on CS?

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Re: TT downloader [message #443639 is a reply to message #443625]

Mon, 07 February 2011 03:28

Spyder
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I thought it wouldn't be too difficult to make one main server which holds a list with all mirrors. Then when the client requests a download from the server, it will connect to the main server, request the mirror list and check whether the requested mirror is up and running. If that's not the case, it will check the next mirror on the list.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443646 is a reply to message #442959]

Mon, 07 February 2011 07:48

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Until your main server gets DDOS'ed...

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Re: TT downloader [message #443656 is a reply to message #442959]

Mon, 07 February 2011 16:46

Speedy059
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We wouldn't mind hosting this in our CDN, utilizing servers all over the world. 1 URL, and the client will be geo-routed to the closest server to them for the fastest download.

Someone specific can be granted access to the CDN to upload files for the renegade community to download from.

This kind of setup costs nearly $100,000 but I don't mind giving up some of the CDN for renegade downloads.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443665 is a reply to message #443656]

Tue, 08 February 2011 01:37

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Speedy059 wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 00:46

We wouldn't mind hosting this in our CDN, utilizing servers all over the world. 1 URL, and the client will be geo-routed to the closest server to them for the fastest download.

Someone specific can be granted access to the CDN to upload files for the renegade community to download from.

This kind of setup costs nearly $100,000 but I don't mind giving up some of the CDN for renegade downloads.

That would be...EPIC! Big Ups

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Re: TT downloader [message #443670 is a reply to message #443656]

Tue, 08 February 2011 04:19

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Speedy059 wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 00:46

We wouldn't mind hosting this in our CDN, utilizing servers all over the world. 1 URL, and the client will be geo-routed to the closest server to them for the fastest download.

Someone specific can be granted access to the CDN to upload files for the renegade community to download from.

This kind of setup costs nearly $100,000 but I don't mind giving up some of the CDN for renegade downloads.

Could however prove difficult with different files with the same name. Say NS wants EpicRenMap.mix on the server and Jelly wants EpicRenMap.mix on the server as well, but both changed tiny details without changing the name. Good luck with fixing that...

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Re: TT downloader [message #443673 is a reply to message #442959]

Tue, 08 February 2011 06:43

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Yes and for those servers they would have to host their own package server, but for servers which just want to run unmodified fanmaps or CP1 / CP2 maps then it would work great.

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Tue, 08 February 2011 07:33

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danpaul88 wrote on Tue, 08 February 2011 14:43

Yes and for those servers they would have to host their own package server, but for servers which just want to run unmodified fanmaps or CP1 / CP2 maps then it would work great.

True, but I'm saying is that while it's not bad to have such server network available, it's also a kind of overkill and it doesn't solve all difficulties.

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Re: TT downloader [message #443684 is a reply to message #442959]

Tue, 08 February 2011 09:29

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File names wouldn't be likely to cause problems, since files get stored based on file hashes.

A CDN would be cool. If it works transparently with HTTP it can be used easily.

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