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Anyone here a electrician? I have a few questions about outlets and water and maybe a few other electric related questions, for example, my friends family had a normal 8 outlet socket with all these Christmas lights plugged in and it was full of water form rain (none if it was waterproof) but nothing happened, since its a socket shouldn't it burn out or something? when I read up about electrical sockets getting wet I have read that it can blow out the whole room/house power if its not a socket that has its own mini circuit breaker, while other say you will get shocked or start a fire, can someone kinda give me the basics about this please? or a link to a site that can explain?
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441405 is a reply to message #441403] Mon, 13 December 2010 00:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It depends on how it gets wet, and how much water. A little moisture might cause it to short circuit, but would probably not cause any circuit breaker/fuses to blow. While on the other hand, a immerse it in water and it is very likely.

A socket on it's own should not cause a fire/explode or anything spectacular when it is short circuited as the fuse/breaker should kick in before any of the electrical components supplying the socket would fail. Anything after the socket IE: Christmas lights, could cause a fire if it isn't fused properly.

If you are lucky enough to be grounded (touching neutral or a computer case for example) it is quite likely a wet socket will shock you. If you are not grounded, it will probably just tingle.
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441416 is a reply to message #441405] Mon, 13 December 2010 03:04 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jnz wrote on Sun, 12 December 2010 23:23

It depends on how it gets wet, and how much water. A little moisture might cause it to short circuit, but would probably not cause any circuit breaker/fuses to blow. While on the other hand, a immerse it in water and it is very likely.

A socket on it's own should not cause a fire/explode or anything spectacular when it is short circuited as the fuse/breaker should kick in before any of the electrical components supplying the socket would fail. Anything after the socket IE: Christmas lights, could cause a fire if it isn't fused properly.

If you are lucky enough to be grounded (touching neutral or a computer case for example) it is quite likely a wet socket will shock you. If you are not grounded, it will probably just tingle.


well when i saw the sockets they were really wet, alot, and what do you mean by grounded?
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441420 is a reply to message #441416] Mon, 13 December 2010 04:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Grounded

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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441436 is a reply to message #441420] Mon, 13 December 2010 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Caveman wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 03:30

Grounded

I love wikipedia but I hear sometimes shits made up, anyways thanks but I am still wondering how come nothing happened when it was soaked in water due to rsin
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441455 is a reply to message #441403] Mon, 13 December 2010 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441474 is a reply to message #441403] Tue, 14 December 2010 02:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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can you take a picture so we can see what your talking about?
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441504 is a reply to message #441403] Wed, 15 December 2010 00:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Basic chemistry lesson time:

Water is actually not conductive. It's a rather good insulator, in fact. The reason why it is so bad to get electronics wet is because there are usually all sorts of fun things dissolved in the water which are very good conductors. You fill up a tub with distilled water and drop a toaster in it and all you'd get is a wet toaster. Tap water, on the other hand, is rather more dangerous to mix with electric anything as it tends to pick up minerals from the pipes it flows through, seepage from ground water, and so on. Rainwater's ability to cook your shit depends entirely on how dirty the air is; the rain will pick it all up on its way down to you.

Translation: if you live in an area with very clean air, a bit of rain water might not necessarily be a trip to short-out city- especially if the electric goodies in question were up off the ground where water is less likely to pool and pick up contaminants from the ground.

If it still works, dry it out and it should be fine. Just don't count on it always being that way.


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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441555 is a reply to message #441403] Thu, 16 December 2010 19:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 01:08

how to science? herp derp. fuckin' circuits, how do they work????

Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441644 is a reply to message #441403] Sun, 19 December 2010 01:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441661 is a reply to message #441403] Sun, 19 December 2010 13:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wish I could take a pic but it was somewhere far, all I know is it was soaked in water its outside not touching ground but been raining for a week

does anyone got a site to discuss the basics of this?
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441662 is a reply to message #441436] Sun, 19 December 2010 14:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 12:45

Caveman wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 03:30

Grounded

but I hear sometimes shits made up

lol
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441663 is a reply to message #441662] Sun, 19 December 2010 14:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Herr Surth wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 13:07

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 12:45

Caveman wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 03:30

Grounded

but I hear sometimes shits made up

lol

What I mean is wiki can be edited by anyone so I try not to use them as a absolute source
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(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 15:11

Herr Surth wrote on Sun, 19 December 2010 13:07

(SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 12:45

Caveman wrote on Mon, 13 December 2010 03:30

Grounded

but I hear sometimes shits made up

lol

What I mean is wiki can be edited by anyone so I try not to use them as a absolute source

http://science.howstuffworks.com/electricity6.htm <-mildly detailed
http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-electrical-ground.htm <-simple for average person
http://amasci.com/amateur/whygnd.html <-why are you reading this novel and not the short links?


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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #441668 is a reply to message #441403] Sun, 19 December 2010 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thank you i will read those
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #442589 is a reply to message #441668] Thu, 13 January 2011 08:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know this is a bit off topic but I just need to ask...

You didnt know what grounding meant... Haven't you been playing around with the inside of computers recently?

If so; Did you ground yourself then?


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Caveman wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 07:58

I know this is a bit off topic but I just need to ask...

You didnt know what grounding meant... Haven't you been playing around with the inside of computers recently?

If so; Did you ground yourself then?

Well I know its a bad habit of mine , when I learn something I go more into it sometimes skipping the basics, but I had an idea of what it was, I just wanted to be sure about it
Re: Electrical Outlets [message #442602 is a reply to message #442596] Thu, 13 January 2011 12:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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But did you ground yourself while playing around with the insides of the computer?

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Caveman wrote on Thu, 13 January 2011 11:41

But did you ground yourself while playing around with the insides of the computer?

Honestly I am not sure if I did correctly in the past, I usually unplug it, touch the metal frame and sit down while I do it (usually floor or chair, most of times with shoes on) But now I purchase something that wraps around my wrist and attached to anything metal "case" to prevent shock or static

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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #442637 is a reply to message #442604] Fri, 14 January 2011 01:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well if you unplugged everything including the power to the PSU (kettle lead) then you're not grounding yourself when you touch the metal case cos its not connected to earth.

Don't take this as im having a go I just dont want you to kill your computer then for you to make a thread here asking why your computer isn't working anymore. If you use the strap you still need the PSU connected.


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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #442638 is a reply to message #441403] Fri, 14 January 2011 02:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Erm, you should NEVER EVER leave the PSU plugged into the wall when working on a computer, unless you want to be electrocuted. Besides, the electrical 'ground' in your house wiring may actually be carrying a small level of voltage, since part of it's purpose is to dissipate stray voltage from faulty wiring.

Grounding yourself to the same level as the metal in the computer case is perfectly acceptable as a grounding method since that's the same metal case the components in your PC are grounded to anyway.


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Re: Electrical Outlets [message #442639 is a reply to message #442638] Fri, 14 January 2011 02:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I was always taught (while in college) to leave it plugged in but switched off at the socket. I've never been electrocuted. If you know different then I retract my statement. If its not plugged in it has nothing to ground to?

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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Caveman wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 01:11

I was always taught (while in college) to leave it plugged in but switched off at the socket. I've never been electrocuted. If you know different then I retract my statement. If its not plugged in it has nothing to ground to?


well don't listen to me, I was just following what I thought was common sense, I will be taking your advice.
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What I do before I do anything is
1. Switch off power at the PSU
2. Unplug power cable
3. Touch the metal casing of the system

I've done this for years and I never had any electric shock on me nor the system I was working on.


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danpaul88 wrote on Fri, 14 January 2011 10:03

Erm, you should NEVER EVER leave the PSU plugged into the wall when working on a computer, unless you want to be electrocuted. Besides, the electrical 'ground' in your house wiring may actually be carrying a small level of voltage, since part of it's purpose is to dissipate stray voltage from faulty wiring.

Grounding yourself to the same level as the metal in the computer case is perfectly acceptable as a grounding method since that's the same metal case the components in your PC are grounded to anyway.

Electrocuted by 12v? LOL.

Only when you open up a PSU you'd be in danger, but since computer PSU's have such a nice and safe casing, there is no need to worry.

And even still, 230v will probably not kill you, although it does feel strange.

Also, the ground wire in your house is really 0v if properly grounded. If this is not the case, there is something very, very very, wrong and you might get yourself electrocuted under the shower once. (water and 230v does kill btw..)


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