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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440929 is a reply to message #440920] |
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| Hitman wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 12:44 |
2: i dont care what u think about the games we played saturday, the results are there regardless
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yes, you're a bit behind me there hitman, i've said that the results are what they are, but if you want to point to those games as evidence then let's talk about how they actually went, hmm? i can see i've upset you a great deal by doing so. ironic, really, considering how desperately you want to ignore all the evidence that supports the idea of me being a much better player than you can bring yourself to admit, though you never had a problem saying so before this thread drove you berserk.
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u dont seem to admit that islands was bullshit aswell,
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um, just how thick are you? when did i boast about winning islands, or say it was a worthwhile game? what i did say was that some of us (myself, gozy, whiskey and hypnos as it happens) are having a serious discussion about how to deal with stuff like this. compare that to your team's reaction, which was a colossal ragequit and five minutes' bitching on teamspeak thereafter.
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and u dont see me telling u that people like whiskey and someone else was afk in the start of a few maps due to phone calls etc, if your really that good, MAKE UP FOR IT
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you make your case weaker by spouting crap like this, not stronger. did i say i was so good that i could win an 8v6 against players like hitman and whiskey? no, don't think i did, although the fact you could only win them by 3 seconds on volcano or 200 points on volcano might give you pause to reconsider some of the garbage you've already thrown out there
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3: we'll never be able to play a fair game that spoony loses since there will always be someone afk/sbh/engi instead of tech for spoony to use as an argument as to why it didn't go as it should of lol
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no, i don't make excuses about losses. i just made some very obvious observations about the random players who joined and immediately went afk, and the fact that we were thrashing you on field until it suddenly went 8v5, etc. we're back to my earlier point about how none of the "evidence" you present can be scrutinised in any way, cos if all you've got is the fact you only just barely managed to win a 8v6, your case doesn't look all that strong, does it? if anything it shows that i'm better than you, doesn't it?
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, do u really think our team was all playing serious or to their fullest? IT WAS UNPASSWORDED FOR A REASON
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and we've concluded that they should be passworded now.
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4: u still lost the maps, and are down 4-1(if ur cool enough to even count islands, which im sure u will since u won it lol)
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jeez, hitman, just how pathetic are you? it's really sad, and it shows you can't refute a single thing i've said.
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i'd think the best player/leader BY FAR (lol) will make sure this doesn't happen, regardless if one of your superior public players got an sbh(and actually stole 2 tanks) on under instead of a light tank orso...
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when did i describe the random guys we were lumbered with as "superior"? why must you lie like this? are you really that pathetic, hitman? don't turn into simpee, seriously...
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5: got an explanation for field aswell? sure enough if there's one map where your superior leading skills should do the trick, that map would be it, yet we were tearing u guys apart quite fast
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"how about field, which we were dominating you until the teams started to get stacked? we had a significant points lead and a dead nod refinery, then suddenly it's 8v5 for some reason and you start to claw your way back. well done."
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and now im done with this topic, no matter what you say.
have fun being the best only recognized by yourself and starbuzz
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bye. seriously hitman, just calm down.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440932 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 12:04 |
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Who was it who brought lobby war results into this thread to being with... You asked for it Spoony by using that first series as an example. Hitman and a few others didn't like that, so he brought his A game and won every map, both days...
You say you're not going to drop down and make excuses, but the last 2 or 3 messages you've written, do have many excuses in them.
It seems when Spoony wins a series of lobby wars, it matters in the 'who's best' debate, but when Hitman wins, it doesn't mean as much since you apparently your excuses are more valid than ours? Just a few contradictions going on I think.
This isn't a clanwar... people are going to go afk, teams aren't going to be fair all the time. I thought everyone understood that when the games started.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440935 is a reply to message #440932] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 12:14 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 13:04 |
Who was it who brought lobby war results into this thread to being with... You asked for it Spoony by using that first series as an example.
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please don't be dense, whiskey. i brought up all sorts of things that could be used as evidence, hitman said that almost all of them (i.e. everything that supported my side) is inadmissible.
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You say you're not going to drop down and make excuses, but the last 2 or 3 messages you've written, do have many excuses in them.
It seems when Spoony wins a series of lobby wars, it matters in the 'who's best' debate, but when Hitman wins, it doesn't mean as much since you apparently your excuses are more valid than ours? Just a few contradictions going on I think.
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again, you're being very dense here. i don't say any particular game doesn't count, though hitman lied and said i did say that. he, by contrast, said islands didn't count for the same reasons i gave when i talked about those games - difference is, i don't say the games didn't count because of it. the team that won volcano won volcano, the team that won under won under, etc. i'm fine with that. hitman wants to present them as evidence? fine, let's talk about what actually happened in the games. volcano was a 8v6 he won by three seconds. under was a 8v6 he won by 200 points. sure, the results are the results, he did win. does it prove he's better than me? if anything it casts serious doubt on the motion. if it was a 8v6, shouldn't you win by more than 3 seconds on volcano, or 200 points on under?
by contrast, look at the excuses hitman made about the earlier stuff. usually it was "i wasn't trying". well, we've been seriously discussing how to organise these games to minimise the problems caused by players joining and going afk all game. we generally seem to recognise this as a problem. when it's his team that suffers from it, hitman says the game doesn't count. well, i never thought islands was worthwhile in the first place, though hitman lied and said i did. by contrast, nobody has to pay the slightest bit of attention to "i wasn't trying".
and since you mention the earlier series of lobbywars i mentioned earlier, nobody went afk at all. the teams were evenly numbered in every game.
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This isn't a clanwar... people are going to go afk, teams aren't going to be fair all the time. I thought everyone understood that when the games started.
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i certainly did, that's why i didn't say that any of those games didn't count, as hitman said with islands. i simply said that for hitman to claim that winning a 8v6 by three seconds is not such the damning evidence for his case that he seems to think it is.
and, as i've said before, when it's my team that suffers from these kind of problems, i just play on. hitman's team pulled an ENORMOUS ragequit because of it.
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Mon, 06 December 2010 12:28 |
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I'm being dense? You're being a cocky smartass prick!
You're doing the same thing that you're excusing us of doing... making excuses.
You brought up your win ratio in the first series of lobby wars as a point toward your rene-superiority. When you do something like that, you're damn right you better back it up.
The next series comes along and Hitman tears you a new bunghole. But of course those don't matter since you were apparently handicapped every loss. You're handicapped alright...
I like ya Spoon and I respect everything you've done and still do for Renegade, so don't take my posts too personal or anything. There's a difference between not liking someone, and not liking what someone says.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440943 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 12:34 |
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your right spoony, everything was fair other than on your side, you would of won every single game if it was fair, my team was never afk or doing anything else but their very best, i was about to ask all of them to join my clan just because they impressed me this much despite of it being random teams every game
you are the best, the cream of the crop!
so therefor i would like to congratulate you and say that i was absolutely honored to be given the opportunity to ever be in your clan, but that cannot be compared to how honored i am that u said i was your first choice of teammate... i must stop typing now, i said i wasn't gonna post again but i just realized how blessed i truely am, if u send me some kleenex i will gladly whipe my tears away with it and keep it with me forever so i have proof that i actually got the chance to play with you if my grandchildren many years from now will not believe that i played with the one and only renegade prophecy, which im sure they will not.
THANK YOU FOR GIVING ME THIS OPPORTUNITY
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Mon, 06 December 2010 12:46 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 13:28 |
I'm being dense? You're being a cocky smartass prick!
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gosh, chill out
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You're doing the same thing that you're excusing us of doing... making excuses.
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wow, you really are being dense.
when i brought up all the evidence that points to me being better than hitman, hitman says it doesn't count because insert-excuse-here (usually it's "i wasn't trying". why that's worth a damn is beyond me, if anything it subtracts from his case).
when hitman loses islands because the game suffered from random afk guys, i never said the game counted for much. i never boasted about the inevitable win. i certainly wouldn't use that in a "best player" thread. but when hitman wins a 8v6 by three seconds, that shows how great he is and i'm not? wow. if he's so very much better than me, why is the best he can do to point to an 8v6 he only won by a hair?
no, no excuses from me. i never said the game didn't count, i never said he didn't win. i simply said that for him to try to use that to prove how good he is is laughable.
we've already agreed that these random afk players is a problem. if it wasn't, we would all agree that islands was a worthwhile victory, and i certainly never said it was. we wouldn't be talking about how to tweak these events to cut the problem down, etc etc etc. therefore, these are legitimate things to say in response to someone boasting about winning.
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You brought up your win ratio in the first series of lobby wars as a point toward your rene-superiority. When you do something like that, you're damn right you better back it up.
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are you forgetting that hitman won't allow all the other stuff i brought up to be considered in the equation at all? neither did you, of course. the only thing we're allowed to talk about are lobbywars. just how badly do you want to rig this argument?
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The next series comes along and Hitman tears you a new bunghole. But of course those don't matter since you were apparently handicapped every loss. You're handicapped alright...
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winning a 8v6 by three seconds is "tearing me a new bunghole", is it? how low your standards are. in hitman's shoes i would have been wondering why the fuck we came as incredibly close to losing a 8v6...
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your right spoony, everything was fair other than on your side, you would of won every single game if it was fair, my team was never afk or doing anything else but their very best, i was about to ask all of them to join my clan just because they impressed me this much despite of it being random teams every game
you are the best, the cream of the crop!
so therefor i would like to congratulate you and say that i was absolutely honored to be given the opportunity to ever be in your clan, but that cannot be compared to how honored i am that u said i was your first choice of teammate... i must stop typing now, i said i wasn't gonna post again but i just realized how blessed i truely am, if u send me some kleenex i will gladly whipe my tears away with it and keep it with me forever so i have proof that i actually got the chance to play with you if my grandchildren many years from now will not believe that i played with the one and only renegade prophecy, which im sure they will not.
THANK YOU
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whatever makes you feel better about losing the argument again. anything's better than admitting you were wrong again. spout this crap if it eases your bruised ego, and by all means sidestep the fact you pulled a simpee and got caught lying because it seemed preferable to just conceding a point to spoony.
although i will repeat the advice i've given you quite a few times already, with a bit more urgency this time:
calm down
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Who comes to the Renegade Forums and declares "I'm best Renny!"?
It's just not what you do.
Even Georges St. Pierre the Welterweight champion of UFC, in the Top 2 Pound for Pound in the world. When asked who he thinks is in the top pound for pound list, he won't even mention himself.
If you're the best, people will recognize that. You shouldn't have to fight it and bring up points to prove it. You definitely shouldn't have to drag in friendly lobbywars that we're just getting started, into it. Just play the game, and if you win the majority of the time, and kick ass, people will notice. Already lots of people on this forum consider you to be up there or at the top. So why not just leave it at that. Jumping into the fray and claiming #1 was a mistake, because now you've awaken the sleeping giants (maybe thats a good thing for Ren's activity).
Kill, Simpee, even Poison, you'd never hear any of them claiming to be #1. I've never seen any of them post a list of best playas with themselves at the top.
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Mon, 06 December 2010 13:04 |
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| GoTWhisKéY wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 14:51 |
Who comes to the Renegade Forums and declares "I'm best Renny!"?
It's just not what you do.
Even Georges St. Pierre the Welterweight champion of UFC, in the Top 2 Pound for Pound in the world. When asked who he thinks is in the top pound for pound list, he won't even mention himself.
If you're the best, people will recognize that. You shouldn't have to fight it and bring up points to prove it. You definitely shouldn't have to drag in friendly lobbywars that we're just getting started, into it. Just play the game, and if you win the majority of the time, and kick ass, people will notice. Already lots of people on this forum consider you to be up there or at the top. So why not just leave it at that. Jumping into the fray and claiming #1 was a mistake, because now you've awaken the sleeping giants (maybe thats a good thing for Ren's activity).
Kill, Simpee, even Poison, you'd never hear any of them claiming to be #1. I've never seen any of them post a list of best playas with themselves at the top.
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this would all be well and good if not for the fact that Best Player threads happened at clanwars all the time. on the last point, perhaps you haven't noticed how angry simpee always gets when someone says he's not the best. so angry that he'll tell all his usual lies to try to win the argument, just like he always did in every other argument (pointsfix etc). perhaps you've also noticed how absolutely berserk this thread has made hitman; the concept that i might be better than him at renegade has his blood vessels on the verge of bursting (even though he never had a problem saying i was better than him before). and again, look how hard he's trying to avoid conceding any points to me; look how many times he's lied about stuff, look how many times he's obviously so unable to refute anything i did say that he tries pretending i said other stuff instead so he can refute that. haven't you noticed any of this?
by contrast, i'm just answering the question, and saying why. who would've thought it would drive hitman and simpee over the edge? well, i could've guessed its effect on simpee, but hitman... wow. i miss the old hitman, before he went insane. see my earlier point; he was always fine saying i was better than him. now he says he was always better than me. we're dealing with either a liar or someone who simply has no connection with reality.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440950 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 13:15 |
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check the F2F vid from the f2f vs H2O and u can easily see who's the best player on TC there, and u can ask whiskey/kill etc and im sure they say its not u lol... you are basic and will always remain basic, you do things by the renebook and the best players around were always able to improvise on the situation and make the best of it, and im not just throwin shit out there, just things i noticed as i was in a clan with you.
so to get it out there: at the moment i posted in that 'best player nowadays' topic i put myself right beneath you... but appearantly you do not understand that people actually become better, and i had become better quite alot, too bad the league didnt last long enough for most people to see, so therefor i am quite certain that i was better than you at that time, and probably still am now even tho i dont play as much as you do, also you've been around clanwars quite alot longer than i have.
u have been at your peak for more than 2 years orso, i have reached my renepeak alot later, so dont judge me on a topic from a year ago orso because there was quite abit of competitive gaming AFTER that
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Mon, 06 December 2010 14:04 |
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| Hitman wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 14:15 |
check the F2F vid from the f2f vs H2O and u can easily see who's the best player on TC there, and u can ask whiskey/kill etc and im sure they say its not u lol... you are basic and will always remain basic, you do things by the renebook and the best players around were always able to improvise on the situation and make the best of it, and im not just throwin shit out there, just things i noticed as i was in a clan with you.
so to get it out there: at the moment i posted in that 'best player nowadays' topic i put myself right beneath you... but appearantly you do not understand that people actually become better, and i had become better quite alot, too bad the league didnt last long enough for most people to see, so therefor i am quite certain that i was better than you at that time, and probably still am now even tho i dont play as much as you do, also you've been around clanwars quite alot longer than i have.
u have been at your peak for more than 2 years orso, i have reached my renepeak alot later, so dont judge me on a topic from a year ago orso because there was quite abit of competitive gaming AFTER that
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just how thick are you? i didn't say i was always better than you in clanwars. you said so. now you totally go back on what you used to say, purely out of anger. that's the point i feel the need to keep repeating - i can't understand why you can't grasp it, and why you haven't yet realised how badly you humiliated yourself in the process. the point i was making wasn't "i was always better than you in clanwars", cos this thread was never about that. it was "you always said i was better than you, but as soon as you get angry at something, you decide you were always better than me"
as for when we "peaked", maybe i should remind you just how active i really wasn't over the last few years, certainly when compared to you. even in the last months of the league with TC you wished i played as much as you did, and before that i scarcely played at all. is that why it's obviously such a delicate matter for you that my skill level was, at the very least, comparable to yours?
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440960 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 14:28 |
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at the very least comparable to mine lmao?
inf: me > you
tank: me = you
strategy doesn't involve actual skill so not even gonna mention
but if this makes u feel good: u have a better orca/apache
please go ahead and say it aint true, i'll get ingame another time and i will simply just show u.
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| Hitman wrote on Mon, 06 December 2010 15:28 |
at the very least comparable to mine lmao?
inf: me > you
tank: me = you
strategy doesn't involve actual skill so not even gonna mention
but if this makes u feel good: u have a better orca/apache
please go ahead and say it aint true, i'll get ingame another time and i will simply just show u.
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my god hitman, just how thick ARE you? read my post and see if it clicks what an absolutely laughable reply this is to it.
(you aren't my equal in tanks, btw. you weren't back then and you definitely aren't now. you said so yourself... i was consistently thought of as best light tank and MRLS, certainly... including by you. maybe this is yet another example of you being so angry that you not only change your current opinion but all of your previously expressed opinions too?
and as for strategy not being a factor, wow. that's just gormless.)
but supposing you were better than me. wouldn't that be to be expected, given what a GREAT DEAL more often you played than i did?
i, of course, don't think you were better than me, and you didn't think so either until this thread, when your extraordinary surge of anger completely clouded your judgement and made you completely change your mind about everything you'd said in the past.
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440963 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 14:43 |
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how can i prove it?
certainly any game i ever win will get a 7 page long essay to prove how unfair it was in your favor
and it isn't about who is rated as best blablabla, its about everything inbetween and how u handle things, and as i already said ur basic
and dont go sayin i suddenly change everything since its been a long ass time since that topic was made (13 months ago) i am willing to prove it if u just let me?
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wow
just wow
i don't know what's sadder, the fact this thread made you so insecure that you're still boasting about winning a 8v6 by three seconds, or the fact that you keep dodging every time i demonstrate you either lied or have no fucking idea what you're talking about
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| Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440966 is a reply to message #439171] |
Mon, 06 December 2010 14:55 |
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people on my team were going afk quite alot aswell, i wasnt playing serious on volcano, whiskey was afk in the start and people like ioncloud went afk a few times aswell, i just dont care enough like u to explain every possible factor as to why its not fair other than the islands case which was quite obvious and not comparable, its your fault for playing in a game without password then complaining about it afterwards when u got your ass kicked... u made a major comeback on under the last few minutes while u were being dominated the entire game and we just kept u back the last few minutes
what it comes down to: u have claimed to be the best from the start of this thread, yet the results aren't there
get the results then maybe people will care what u have to say on the forums? u can't claim #1 by posting alot lol, while u have been trying that since the very beginning of this topic, your obviously out for some recognition that u do not deserve in anyones eyes, i started this topic out friendly and u went all hardcore in it instantly 
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