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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440714 is a reply to message #440612]

Fri, 03 December 2010 12:33

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it's clanwars nobody plays anymore hitman, i don't know why you have a hard time getting that point the right way up.

so what do people play? publics, commwars, and these lobbywar type games.

If there were still an 'auto' league, I guarantee people would still be playing clanwars. Hell, if the original Smak forum wasn't torn down, the manual league would probably still be busy too. That horribly redesigned forum is the worst I've ever seen. We lost more then half the community, that day. Ever since then, it never recovered to its former glory. Whomever made those decisions over at clanwars, fails at Renny & Life. Way to kill your own league lol.

Clanwars are the most entertaining and competitve way of playing Renegade. There's just not enough competition anymore for people to actually form clans and be active. So, if you can't get a steak, you gotta settle for a Balogna Rene-Sandwich. And it seems Spoon is around to eat the scraps.

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publics i'm obviously a great deal better than simpee; did you see him say that a clanwars "pro" can only have a big effect in a public server on a flying map? really?

lol, its come down to this, clanwar players arguing who's a better PUBLIC SERVER player? wow lol. When H2O, FE and EF were playing thousands upon thousands of clanwars at top level, we thought public servers were a waste of time. We didn't (and still don't) understand how some people can play 300 game a month in a public server. Even now when I play a public server, only about half the time I'll try to do whats right for the team, the other half I'll mess around with Snipers, or try unorthodox stuff just to have some fun. When its a clanwar, I'm 100% business. A pub? 100% fun. When Spoony plays in pubs, it sounds like he goes 100% effort, 100% of the time, following the book. There's nothing wrong with that, but do you actually have fun? Have you ever said 'meh i'm gonna 500 snipe in the tunnels for a while' just for the hell of it? I mean it must get boring, no?

Every couple months of not playing Renny, I'll jump into a public game and remember Ren is still fun. But on Public servers alone, that goes away pretty quick. Hense me trying to get something remotely close to clanwars going - lobbies.

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we've also established the enormous gap in leadership abilities - hitman and simpee say they don't care enough to do that.

Simpee lead *E*F*, one of the top clans in all of Renehistory. I consider Clearshot and Simpee both amazing leaders, even moreso then you. Maybe not in a public server, but where it counts. You lead a few okay clans I guess, and gave us some good battles, but not compared to how many years and games that EF and FE gave us. Leading a group of lemmings in a public is a whole different ball game then leading a skilled clan to victory against another.

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well, make that excuse if you like, but i've yet to be told why someone who doesn't try to help the team out should be considered best playa.

Maybe its because, we clanwar players have a different definition of what 'best playa' is. We just can't consider the top Public Server MVP whore to be best player because we know it means nothing. CLANWARS is where you decide who the best player really is, so Spoony, if you want to claim that title, get a couple buddies, and we'll schedule some clanwars.
Kill and Simpee are the best players. No matter what anyone says, thats fact. I told Kill how Spoon said he's best playa, Kill responded 'I prang all, case closed' and I agree. Spoon you really think you could take Kill on? I'll let Kill know about the upcoming libbies and maybe he'll come out and shake off some rust. I know he'd clanwar with me again, but we just have to schedule it. So anytime, you can come show us noobs how good you are now. I wish you were this active during clanwars, we could of used the extra competition.

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I'll add that i didn't say "i get MVP all the time", to which you seem to've reduced my comments.

Thats usually what most people base 'whos best player' is in the public server world.

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commwars, then. same thing only more so, isn't it? i don't see simpee organising teams of people who've never played community matches before and leading them to the point where they put up a strong fight against communities like jelly who've played more community wars than anybody.

What does leading a group of noobs have to do with who's the best Renegade player? Kill wasn't even the h2o clan leader and he still was the best.

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finally lobbywars. remember those random-team games with you, mike and tunaman, whiskey? think you and mike won maybe half of your games, i won all except one. we did some more the other day with i0n and hypnos, played maybe 15 games over two sessions, i won all except one.

wow it sounds like trooprm after winning a 1v1. Sorry I didn't realize you were keeping track. If I knew we were actually having a competition as to who can win the most games, I probably would of gone all in. Remember those clanwar cups, where H2O won 30, and Spoonyclan won, 1 or 2 maybe before H2O was even around?

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i've always been at least a match for simpee in clanwars despite the fact he's always played fanatically more often than i did (see the period when i revitalised the league after not playing for a year, whereas he never stopped. and before that i was more of an admin than a player, as you know)

Well yeah I'm sure you were a 'match' for anyone, but Simpee simply outclassed you. Now after clanwars has died, and you're playing hundreds of public server games a month, You call him out? A little late don't ya think? If you wanted to claim best player, you had the last 8 years to do it. You're too late now - the most competitive part of Ren is dead.

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i also haven't heard an answer to my earlier question - are honesty and fairplay worth consideration in this matter?

I'd say no. Obviously a cheater can't be best player, but all of the people in the running for the title didn't cheat. No, not even Simpee, as you like to claim over and over on every post.

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we play in an era of undetectable cheats. nobody who knows what they're talking about ever accused me of cheating; plenty of people think simpee did.

I never thought he did. I never accused him of cheating once.

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secondly, i can't be the only person to notice what a pathologically compulsive liar he is. seriously, he's one of the most dishonest people this game has ever seen.

omg not this again. I like how Simpee put it - rep rape.
I didn't really notice that. All I noticed, was my msn blinking. I'd open it, and its Simpee saying 3v3? Then we'd play a series. After the series, we'd report our games, and move on to the next day. Anything that happens outside of the game, is peanuts. What really matters, is what goes on ingame.

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(as an aside, whiskey, do you remember how many people kept changing the subject to BR and uded because it pained them too much to admit kill was the best player at the time? perhaps you can see where i'm going with that)

I remember early on, I made the mistake of prematurely claiming H2O was the best. People started flaming and disliking me after that, and as you can see, thats what happens when you try to claim your the best at something. If your the best, people will tell you. Kill didn't have to tell people he was the best... we just knew.

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so there you go... he's nothing remarkable at all in publics or commwars (which are the games people actually play), maybe about equivalent to me in clanwars if you want to talk about games nobody plays anymore, and with the added bonus that i can actually be trusted...

There's no maybe about you being equivalent to him in clanwars. You weren't. People still do play clanwars... they're just not reporting them because theres no point. Clanwars will always be the #1 way to determine who the best Player in Renegade is.
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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440715 is a reply to message #440714]

Fri, 03 December 2010 14:09

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 03 December 2010 13:33

the lack of an auto league is a criticism of WOL and XWIS, and a legitimate one.

smak forums were changed when i was away.

but if you're going to list why nobody plays clanwars anymore, i would've thought that undetectable cheats deserves at least a passing mention.

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Clanwars are the most entertaining and competitve way of playing Renegade.

competitive sure, entertaining is just personal preference

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There's just not enough competition anymore for people to actually form clans and be active. So, if you can't get a steak, you gotta settle for a Balogna Rene-Sandwich. And it seems Spoon is around to eat the scraps.

is there a point in here somewhere?

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publics i'm obviously a great deal better than simpee; did you see him say that a clanwars "pro" can only have a big effect in a public server on a flying map? really?

thanks for the info.

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Even now when I play a public server, only about half the time I'll try to do whats right for the team, the other half I'll mess around with Snipers, or try unorthodox stuff just to have some fun. When its a clanwar, I'm 100% business. A pub? 100% fun. When Spoony plays in pubs, it sounds like he goes 100% effort, 100% of the time, following the book. There's nothing wrong with that, but do you actually have fun? Have you ever said 'meh i'm gonna 500 snipe in the tunnels for a while' just for the hell of it? I mean it must get boring, no?

i'd call this a false dichotomy. do i actually have fun? yes, of course. i play the way i like to play. any more questions?

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Every couple months of not playing Renny, I'll jump into a public game and remember Ren is still fun. But on Public servers alone, that goes away pretty quick. Hense me trying to get something remotely close to clanwars going - lobbies.

and not just you, in case you haven't noticed.

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we've also established the enormous gap in leadership abilities - hitman and simpee say they don't care enough to do that.

i can see you're still under the impression that the question was "who's the best player ever" or "best player 2 years ago" or something.

perhaps Taiwan could be promoted from "an okay clan", considering it went about 50% against EF (one of the top clans in all of renehistory, your words not mine) and about 70% against FE, including clearshot at the time. i was in FE with clearshot immediately before that. we had little to no competition at all, so i created Light/Taiwan with some guys who'd barely played clanwars before at all, and ended up raping everyone else for three months straight. but that was before you were really active in clanwars. simpee remembers it, though he never tires of trying to lie about it. this question obviously means a great deal to him.

it's good you conceded the "maybe not in a public server" - perhaps you also want to consider commwars too.

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well, make that excuse if you like, but i've yet to be told why someone who doesn't try to help the team out should be considered best playa.

Maybe its because, we clanwar players have a different definition of what 'best playa' is.

yeah, i think it means "who's the best player now", cos that was the question in the first place. you all seem to think it was "who was the best player a year ago".

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We just can't consider the top Public Server MVP whore to be best player because we know it means nothing.

if it means nothing, why's there such an obvious gap between myself and, say, simpee?

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CLANWARS is where you decide who the best player really is, so Spoony, if you want to claim that title, get a couple buddies, and we'll schedule some clanwars.

haven't i already done enormously more than my share to keep clanwars going against all the obstacles (including the clanwars community itself)?

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Kill and Simpee are the best players. No matter what anyone says, thats fact. I told Kill how Spoon said he's best playa, Kill responded 'I prang all, case closed' and I agree. Spoon you really think you could take Kill on? I'll let Kill know about the upcoming libbies and maybe he'll come out and shake off some rust. I know he'd clanwar with me again, but we just have to schedule it.

Really, that's all it takes to galvanise you and Kill into action? Someone saying someone other than Kill is the best player now?

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So anytime, you can come show us noobs how good you are now. I wish you were this active during clanwars, we could of used the extra competition.

When did I say you were "noobs"? Is it so hard to address what I actually said that you feel you have to pretend I said something else?

i'm also glad someone recognises that i wasn't all that much of an active player in clanwars, except for a few select months. like i said, simpee remembers that period, but he certainly won't tell you the truth about it.

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I'll add that i didn't say "i get MVP all the time", to which you seem to've reduced my comments.

Thats usually what most people base 'whos best player' is in the public server world.

like i said, you can actually address what i say or you can construct straw men. when you say something like "i win the overwhelming majority of my games, both thanks to individual contribution and by galvanising the team into doing the best strategy", and someone tries to change it to "i get MVP all the time", you know you're onto something.

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What does leading a group of noobs have to do with who's the best Renegade player? Kill wasn't even the h2o clan leader and he still was the best.

i feel like your reply must be in response to an entirely different statement...

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there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WHO WON THOSE GAMES
I WASN'T TRYING

it was only a matter of time, i suppose

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Remember those clanwar cups, where H2O won 30, and Spoonyclan won, 1 or 2 maybe before H2O was even around?

do you remember what the question was in the first place? did i say i was the best player during the period of H2O's supremacy? no, i think you'll find i was one of the VERY FEW people at clanwars who didn't have a huge problem accepting that it was kill.

as for how many clan cups i have, is it relevant? i can go into that if you like - it's more than 2 - but nothing i've said so far depends upon it.

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Well yeah I'm sure you were a 'match' for anyone, but Simpee simply outclassed you. Now after clanwars has died, and you're playing hundreds of public server games a month, You call him out?

not really, i just answered the question. i didn't really care whether it would hit him as hard as it did or not. did i even mention his name until someone else did?

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A little late don't ya think? If you wanted to claim best player, you had the last 8 years to do it. You're too late now - the most competitive part of Ren is dead.

people said exactly the same about kill, did they not? and i was always there telling them to just play against H2O if they wanted to prove something; and regardless of the outcome, the league would benefit.

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i also haven't heard an answer to my earlier question - are honesty and fairplay worth consideration in this matter?

I'd say no. Obviously a cheater can't be best player, but all of the people in the running for the title didn't cheat. No, not even Simpee, as you like to claim over and over on every post.

i'm glad to get an answer on that.

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secondly, i can't be the only person to notice what a pathologically compulsive liar he is. seriously, he's one of the most dishonest people this game has ever seen.

omg not this again. I like how Simpee put it - rep rape.

then how would you describe what he and clearshot tried to do on the jelly forum, for which neither of them have apologised?

everything i've said about simpee has been true. not a single word has been debunked. compare that to the enormous number of times he's tried to lie to the community about me, getting caught every single time (when it's in public, at least)

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I didn't really notice that. All I noticed, was my msn blinking. I'd open it, and its Simpee saying 3v3? Then we'd play a series. After the series, we'd report our games, and move on to the next day. Anything that happens outside of the game, is peanuts. What really matters, is what goes on ingame.

seems to me whether it's true or not that a player is breaking a particular rule or whether an admin is doing such-and-such corrupt action does matter. it obviously matters to simpee.

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that would be earlier on than i was referring to. i remember a very long period where an awful lot of clanwars players had a really tough time accepting how good kill was.

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There's no maybe about you being equivalent to him in clanwars. You weren't.

are we still changing the question to anything except what it originally was, i.e. "who's the best player now?"

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People still do play clanwars... they're just not reporting them because theres no point. Clanwars will always be the #1 way to determine who the best Player in Renegade is.
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i can find at least one major contradiction here.

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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440721 is a reply to message #440715]

Fri, 03 December 2010 18:14

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Spoony wrote on Fri, 03 December 2010 16:09

I wasn't making a list, but yes, it does

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is there a point in here somewhere?

nah I just thought it sounded cool

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and not just you, in case you haven't noticed.

It's hard not for me to notice when you're swapping lobby war days out of the blue. Out of it though came 2 days worth of Renny this weekend, so Thumbs Up

. This could turn out pretty well and end up being a weekly thing. I know there are others besides us who are helping make this happen, Goztow obviously who provides us with the server, Hypnos, Ioncloud, etc. Thanks brosephs

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perhaps Taiwan could be promoted from "an okay clan", considering it went about 50% against EF (one of the top clans in all of renehistory, your words not mine) and about 70% against FE, including clearshot at the time. i was in FE with clearshot immediately before that. we had little to no competition at all, so i created Light/Taiwan with some guys who'd barely played clanwars before at all, and ended up raping everyone else for three months straight. but that was before you were really active in clanwars. simpee remembers it, though he never tires of trying to lie about it. this question obviously means a great deal to him.

Everyone was really bad back then Wink

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Really, that's all it takes to galvanise you and Kill into action? Someone saying someone other than Kill is the best player now?

Kill says he's polishing off the extra-thick glasses, getting out his old Havoc mousepad, and getting ready to bunker down for some heavy Renegade time. "I prang the jew" he proclaimed.

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i'm also glad someone recognises that i wasn't all that much of an active player in clanwars, except for a few select months. like i said, simpee remembers that period, but he certainly won't tell you the truth about it.

Only active for a few select months... then quit disrespecting the people who played competitively for years and years and continued playing even when times got hard.

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i win the overwhelming majority of my games, both thanks to individual contribution and by galvanising the team into doing the best strategy

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there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WHO WON THOSE GAMES
I WASN'T TRYING

it was only a matter of time, i suppose

Put it this way Spoon. I was playing a regular season game, You were playing for the World Cup, so it seems.
We weren't keeping score - apparently you were.
So I guess tomorrow we'll expect more of the same. Everybody better play their best, cuz Spoony's judging you.
Thats why people didn't want to play Troop... if he wins, he rubs it in your face on a forum.

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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440724 is a reply to message #439171]

Fri, 03 December 2010 18:59

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Spoony isn't saying he was the best ever at clanwars, he's going by what the OP listed as criteria for what he thinks makes the best ren player
spoony is focused in all gametypes whereas you get bored in public games; that's not really a fault, it's an attribute on his part

who decided that being good at aow means you get mvp all the time? it's not a causal link

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Fri, 03 December 2010 19:14

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it's like asking which country is the most powerful NOW. What we have here instead is a bunch of Romans lol. Laughing

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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440727 is a reply to message #440721]

Fri, 03 December 2010 19:39

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 03 December 2010 19:14

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Really, that's all it takes to galvanise you and Kill into action? Someone saying someone other than Kill is the best player now?

Kill says he's polishing off the extra-thick glasses, getting out his old Havoc mousepad, and getting ready to bunker down for some heavy Renegade time. "I prang the jew" he proclaimed.

He's not the only one around here with a Havoc mousepad.

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Only active for a few select months...

*All that* active, i.e. as many games as the likes of soul. Still played a fair amount, though not a fanatical amount.

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then quit disrespecting the people who played competitively for years and years and continued playing even when times got hard.

by "disrespecting" you mean don't call simpee what he is, i.e. a pathologically compulsive liar? you ever considered suggesting to simpee to quit disrespecting the only guy who could be bothered hosting a clan ladder for him "for years and years", or don't you mind the absolutely despicable way he's always behaved to someone who's done him nothing but favours?

as for "when times got hard", how much harder do you think they would have been without me?

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i win the overwhelming majority of my games, both thanks to individual contribution and by galvanising the team into doing the best strategy

so we return to my earlier question, why do you think players like simpee don't? if you read his posts you'll notice it isn't through lack of effort. he says he tries harder than everyone else. he says a clanwars pro can only really have a big effect on the game on a flying map (wow). he expresses far greater concern about his own individual score than the team winning (hitman thinks in a similar way, it seems). these are the kind of comments you'd laugh at if they came from a "ladder whore".

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there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WHO WON THOSE GAMES
I WASN'T TRYING

it was only a matter of time, i suppose

Put it this way Spoon. I was playing a regular season game, You were playing for the World Cup, so it seems.

i was playing the way i like to play. was i not clear on that point?

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We weren't keeping score - apparently you were.

not at the time i wasn't, but i do remember how the games went.

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So I guess tomorrow we'll expect more of the same. Everybody better play their best, cuz Spoony's judging you.
Thats why people didn't want to play Troop... if he wins, he rubs it in your face on a forum.

you've got that exactly upside down. you, hitman and simpee are the ones freaking out at my answer to the question "who do you think is the best player now?" you desperately try to change the subject to stuff from 1 or 2 or even more years ago. apparently we shouldn't even consider the games that are actually played now (publics, commwars etc). you think we've got to do more lobbywars/clanwars before the question can be answered. i point out how these lobbywars seem to be going so far, and OMG SPOONYS RUBBING IT IN OUR FACES, HES JUDGING US

suppose i'd said i was the best player over the last 3 years (as several of you have tried to get away with pretending i said, which makes your case a great deal weaker) and you tried to demonstrate with posting winratios or whatever that it was actually kill/simpee, and suppose i'd responded to that with what you just said. how pathetic would it look?

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Sat, 04 December 2010 01:41

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Jesus Christ...

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Sat, 04 December 2010 09:52

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He's not the only one around here with a Havoc mousepad.

I still use mine Wink

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I didn't get to see the whole thing of Clear and Simpee posting about you and trying to sabotage the ladder or something. I have read multiple times though from you about what they did, and it is pretty gay. It sounded like things got pretty personal. I can't really blame you for banning them from the league during a sensitive time, even though it did hurt the league from my perspective when you banned them. But hey, it's your league - why should you have to listen to them rip you up, then allow them to play in your league.

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I can't answer that question because how can I really know how good Simpee is in a public server or comm war? I haven't played with him in a while so I'm just basing my judgements on what I do know - potential.
Obviously Spoon you're really into the game right now, have been playing a lot, and really fine-tuning your skills. I already said you're around the top right now. What more do yout want? Do I have to say "Spoony is the best player right now" when I don't necessarily believe that yet? We're only just starting these lobbywars. Give it a a month and you'll have plenty of time to prove your skills in that time. If you're raping all, then people will probably reconsider. I don't have enough material to declare you #1 yet. Not enough ingame time with you. Thats all. Remember it is peoples opinions your trying to change. If you claim #1, there's only 1 place to prove that, and it isn't the forum.

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you've got that exactly upside down. you, hitman and simpee are the ones freaking out

I'm not freaking out at all, implying it is just silly, considering how its actually you who've became upset over not getting recognition. You also 'freaked out' when you started yelling an imitation of me. That was the closest thing to a freak out I've seen so far.

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at my answer to the question "who do you think is the best player now?" you desperately try to change the subject to stuff from 1 or 2 or even more years ago. apparently we shouldn't even consider the games that are actually played now (publics, commwars etc). you think we've got to do more lobbywars/clanwars before the question can be answered. i point out how these lobbywars seem to be going so far, and OMG SPOONYS RUBBING IT IN OUR FACES, HES JUDGING US

Another freak out ^
Since its you claiming to be #1, let us do the judging. Claiming it yourself is only asking for trouble. If your truely sure that you're #1, just play the game and prove it. You should never have to declare yourself #1 and defend it through a forum. I never seen Kill claim to be #1 once throughout all of clanwars. I'm surprised that you would use 1 friendly lobby war to state your case as well. Now the pressure is on during those games I guess. They're not friendly lobby wars anymore, there Spoon's battleground. If he rapes you, we'll here about it on the forums the next day, just like Troop. People would dodge & flame H2O if we ever pulled a stunt like that.

Anyway, i'm not going to let any of that ruin my fun @ the lobby wars. If you win more games than anyone else, congrats.

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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440762 is a reply to message #440760]

Sat, 04 December 2010 10:18

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 10:52

that's the first comment on the subject from anyone besides me that was even slightly critical of simpee and clear... it's about time.

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potential doesn't translate into results in simpee's case, as you can see from his own statements.

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Obviously Spoon you're really into the game right now, have been playing a lot, and really fine-tuning your skills. I already said you're around the top right now.

did you think i was around the top when i was not really playing terribly actively, i.e. most of the last few years at clanwars?

hitman certainly did, then decided that i'm a lot worse now that i play a lot more actively.

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What more do yout want? Do I have to say "Spoony is the best player right now" when I don't necessarily believe that yet?

i'm not sure i understand the question.

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We're only just starting these lobbywars. Give it a a month and you'll have plenty of time to prove your skills in that time. If you're raping all, then people will probably reconsider. I don't have enough material to declare you #1 yet. Not enough ingame time with you. Thats all. Remember it is peoples opinions your trying to change. If you claim #1, there's only 1 place to prove that, and it isn't the forum.

so let's disregard all the available evidence, shall we? all of it points to me being better than e.g. simpee or hitman right now.

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you've got that exactly upside down. you, hitman and simpee are the ones freaking out

maybe not you, then. hitman and simpee certainly were.

if you think me pointing out that your excuses were exactly the same as hitmans was a "freak out" or a "yell" just because i used capitals to emphasise them, believe that too.

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Another freak out ^

not at all, it's a logical rebuttal of what you said. you did say i was "rubbing it in our faces" and "judging us". that's not a paraphrase, let alone an inaccurate one.

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Since its you claiming to be #1, let us do the judging. Claiming it yourself is only asking for trouble. If your truely sure that you're #1, just play the game and prove it. You should never have to declare yourself #1 and defend it through a forum.

have you paid attention to this thread at all? i actually have been playing the game. my assertion that i'm the best player now has been challenged by people who don't play the game.

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I never seen Kill claim to be #1 once throughout all of clanwars. I'm surprised that you would use 1 friendly lobby war to state your case as well. Now the pressure is on during those games I guess. They're not friendly lobby wars anymore, there Spoon's battleground. If he rapes you, we'll here about it on the forums the next day, just like Troop. People would dodge & flame H2O if we ever pulled a stunt like that.

this is really sad, whiskey. i'm surprised you feel the need to stoop that low. yes, they are friendly lobbywars; i never said otherwise. no, if i rape you i won't boast about it on the forum the next day just like troop. but if you say that the only judge of skill is these lobbywars (ignoring all the other evidence, all of which points to my side) then i might comment on how these lobbywars go. if the answer offends you, don't ask the question. you weigh in on a "who's the best player" thread then when someone mentions games that point to the answer being something other than you'd like, it's an outrage? a "stunt"?

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Sat, 04 December 2010 10:49

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Sat, 04 December 2010 11:49

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With recent events, yes it was low to mention your name in the same phrase as Troops. My bad, there's obviously no comparison

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but if you say that the only judge of skill is these lobbywars (ignoring all the other evidence, all of which points to my side) then i might comment on how these lobbywars go. if the answer offends you, don't ask the question. you weigh in on a "who's the best player" thread then when someone mentions games that point to the answer being something other than you'd like, it's an outrage? a "stunt"?

Not an outrage, but to bring up our friendly lobbywars and corrupt them by turning them into a serious competition... I just dont think its right. Bragging about your wins doesn't make the other players who lost feel good. You can claim to be #1, just don't drag people through the mud in the process

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Sat, 04 December 2010 12:05

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I swear to god Spoony has mental defects.

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Sat, 04 December 2010 12:17

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 12:49

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With recent events, yes it was low to mention your name in the same phrase as Troops. My bad, there's obviously no comparison

nor would there be if you'd said so before the ReneLeak. with him, he has a record of changing the subject to "you suck, 1v1?" anytime someone like - say, goztow - is outwitting him in an argument about something other than "who's the better 1v1 player?" he also has a record of completely fabricating stories of games to try to support whatever deranged tangent he's currently on (see fictional accounts of games with me, wiggles, pirate etc)
and when the only person who could be bothered to say "ok troop, let's 1v1" (me), he refused on the grounds that i "had too much of an advantage" (this is after calling everyone else a dodger for a very long time)

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if it'd been simpee or kill who'd won all those lobbywars against me and if he'd said so in this thread, i don't think you would have had a bad word to say about it. if i had said that i was the best clanwars player over the last few years (as several people in this thread have tried to get away with pretending i said) and you replied by showing who actually won the cups, would that be overly mean of you?
we were talking about who's the best player now, which was the question in the first place. according to you we can't consider the games that people actually play now - public servers, commwars. those don't seem to be admissible, in spite of the obviously very gapingly different results between, say, myself and simpee. we're only allowed to talk about lobbywars. but when i talk about those lobbywars (i don't seem to be allowed to put anything else onto the table), suddenly i'm being mean. the game seems rigged to me, whiskey.

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You kinda wore the Christmas thing out.. come on almighty Spoony use that brain-power to think of something remotely intelligent to say. I feel sorry for you, I mean judging by your posts on this forum.. it's not really hard to see that your social life is lacking. Smile

p.s. Whiskey don't waste your time.. Spoony has displayed his ignorance in many ways, such as banning clear and simpee.. you know what happened when they didn't want to sit on a forum and argue with him? His inner rage built up and he banned them from cw.cc over personal problems, such a sad individual.. Sad

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resistor1 wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 15:38

still mad

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Sat, 04 December 2010 15:56

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have you ever stopped for a moment, loki, to ask yourself why you're so angry over a computer game against someone who has never actually done you wrong?

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Sat, 04 December 2010 16:04

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based on lobby wars as of right now TD is the best ren player, he didn't lose a single one today

topic can be closed

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liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 18:04

based on lobby wars as of right now TD is the best ren player, he didn't lose a single one today

topic can be closed

that final game on Volcano was epic... gunner rush victory with 5 seconds left lol

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Sat, 04 December 2010 16:43

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i didnt lose a single one either other than the islands game which really shouldn't count since it was absolutely retarded and unfair

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Sat, 04 December 2010 17:15

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 17:17

liquidv2 wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 18:04

based on lobby wars as of right now TD is the best ren player, he didn't lose a single one today

topic can be closed

that final game on Volcano was epic... gunner rush victory with 5 seconds left lol

lmao best ending ever .. i don't know what happened with the gunners cause i died right before my c4 went off which killed the airstrip .. but yeah that was pretty sweet.

i also didn't lose other than islands.

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Sat, 04 December 2010 17:34

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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 17:17

that final game on Volcano was epic... gunner rush victory with 5 seconds left lol

i was in there trying to disarm the timed c4 and it either went off or the gunners killed the building

Hitman wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 17:43

i didnt lose a single one either other than the islands game which really shouldn't count since it was absolutely retarded and unfair

M0FiR3 wrote on Sat, 04 December 2010 18:15

i also didn't lose other than islands.

yeah, you're almost the best, but you're not
TD is the best, accept it you losers

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Sat, 04 December 2010 18:56

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anthrax u noob, u lost under, but since u joined late, i guess it can slide Smile

on volcano, when the air died on my clock it was all 0s so it was REALLY close.

i love those type games.

In the future we should talk about what to do with people such as loosabill cause thats really annoying

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Sun, 05 December 2010 05:40

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good games, im just wondering why spoony couldn't lead his teams to victory even tho he leaves such big gaps in leadership compared to the people we had leadin

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Wait? So you guys played Ren and enjoyed it? What's left to be written here, then...

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Sun, 05 December 2010 08:29

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Hitman wrote on Sun, 05 December 2010 06:40

good games, im just wondering why spoony couldn't lead his teams to victory even tho he leaves such big gaps in leadership compared to the people we had leadin

people might also wonder why i haven't made any excuses for losses, as you always do - including this time Thumbs Up

i don't think any of us are saying volcano shouldn't count despite the two public server players who joined nod and immediately went afk.

under and volcano were extremely close - under by a very small point margin, volcano by a matter of seconds. we were easily going to win volcano, mostly thanks to my leading, and the only reason we lost is people stopped listening in the last few minutes. still, the results are the results. congratulations on field, and we won complex.

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