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Re: Who is the best Renegade player(s) nowadays? [message #440715 is a reply to message #440714] Fri, 03 December 2010 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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GoTWhisKéY wrote on Fri, 03 December 2010 13:33

If there were still an 'auto' league, I guarantee people would still be playing clanwars. Hell, if the original Smak forum wasn't torn down, the manual league would probably still be busy too. That horribly redesigned forum is the worst I've ever seen. We lost more then half the community, that day. Ever since then, it never recovered to its former glory. Whomever made those decisions over at clanwars, fails at Renny & Life. Way to kill your own league lol.

the lack of an auto league is a criticism of WOL and XWIS, and a legitimate one.

smak forums were changed when i was away.

but if you're going to list why nobody plays clanwars anymore, i would've thought that undetectable cheats deserves at least a passing mention.

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Clanwars are the most entertaining and competitve way of playing Renegade.

competitive sure, entertaining is just personal preference

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There's just not enough competition anymore for people to actually form clans and be active. So, if you can't get a steak, you gotta settle for a Balogna Rene-Sandwich. And it seems Spoon is around to eat the scraps.

is there a point in here somewhere?

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publics i'm obviously a great deal better than simpee; did you see him say that a clanwars "pro" can only have a big effect in a public server on a flying map? really?

lol, its come down to this, clanwar players arguing who's a better PUBLIC SERVER player? wow lol. When H2O, FE and EF were playing thousands upon thousands of clanwars at top level, we thought public servers were a waste of time. We didn't (and still don't) understand how some people can play 300 game a month in a public server.

thanks for the info.

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Even now when I play a public server, only about half the time I'll try to do whats right for the team, the other half I'll mess around with Snipers, or try unorthodox stuff just to have some fun. When its a clanwar, I'm 100% business. A pub? 100% fun. When Spoony plays in pubs, it sounds like he goes 100% effort, 100% of the time, following the book. There's nothing wrong with that, but do you actually have fun? Have you ever said 'meh i'm gonna 500 snipe in the tunnels for a while' just for the hell of it? I mean it must get boring, no?

i'd call this a false dichotomy. do i actually have fun? yes, of course. i play the way i like to play. any more questions?

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Every couple months of not playing Renny, I'll jump into a public game and remember Ren is still fun. But on Public servers alone, that goes away pretty quick. Hense me trying to get something remotely close to clanwars going - lobbies.

and not just you, in case you haven't noticed.

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we've also established the enormous gap in leadership abilities - hitman and simpee say they don't care enough to do that.

Simpee lead *E*F*, one of the top clans in all of Renehistory. I consider Clearshot and Simpee both amazing leaders, even moreso then you. Maybe not in a public server, but where it counts. You lead a few okay clans I guess, and gave us some good battles, but not compared to how many years and games that EF and FE gave us. Leading a group of lemmings in a public is a whole different ball game then leading a skilled clan to victory against another.

i can see you're still under the impression that the question was "who's the best player ever" or "best player 2 years ago" or something.

perhaps Taiwan could be promoted from "an okay clan", considering it went about 50% against EF (one of the top clans in all of renehistory, your words not mine) and about 70% against FE, including clearshot at the time. i was in FE with clearshot immediately before that. we had little to no competition at all, so i created Light/Taiwan with some guys who'd barely played clanwars before at all, and ended up raping everyone else for three months straight. but that was before you were really active in clanwars. simpee remembers it, though he never tires of trying to lie about it. this question obviously means a great deal to him.

it's good you conceded the "maybe not in a public server" - perhaps you also want to consider commwars too.

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well, make that excuse if you like, but i've yet to be told why someone who doesn't try to help the team out should be considered best playa.

Maybe its because, we clanwar players have a different definition of what 'best playa' is.

yeah, i think it means "who's the best player now", cos that was the question in the first place. you all seem to think it was "who was the best player a year ago".

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We just can't consider the top Public Server MVP whore to be best player because we know it means nothing.

if it means nothing, why's there such an obvious gap between myself and, say, simpee?

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CLANWARS is where you decide who the best player really is, so Spoony, if you want to claim that title, get a couple buddies, and we'll schedule some clanwars.

haven't i already done enormously more than my share to keep clanwars going against all the obstacles (including the clanwars community itself)?

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Kill and Simpee are the best players. No matter what anyone says, thats fact. I told Kill how Spoon said he's best playa, Kill responded 'I prang all, case closed' and I agree. Spoon you really think you could take Kill on? I'll let Kill know about the upcoming libbies and maybe he'll come out and shake off some rust. I know he'd clanwar with me again, but we just have to schedule it.

Really, that's all it takes to galvanise you and Kill into action? Someone saying someone other than Kill is the best player now?

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So anytime, you can come show us noobs how good you are now. I wish you were this active during clanwars, we could of used the extra competition.

When did I say you were "noobs"? Is it so hard to address what I actually said that you feel you have to pretend I said something else?

i'm also glad someone recognises that i wasn't all that much of an active player in clanwars, except for a few select months. like i said, simpee remembers that period, but he certainly won't tell you the truth about it.

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I'll add that i didn't say "i get MVP all the time", to which you seem to've reduced my comments.

Thats usually what most people base 'whos best player' is in the public server world.

like i said, you can actually address what i say or you can construct straw men. when you say something like "i win the overwhelming majority of my games, both thanks to individual contribution and by galvanising the team into doing the best strategy", and someone tries to change it to "i get MVP all the time", you know you're onto something.

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commwars, then. same thing only more so, isn't it? i don't see simpee organising teams of people who've never played community matches before and leading them to the point where they put up a strong fight against communities like jelly who've played more community wars than anybody.
What does leading a group of noobs have to do with who's the best Renegade player? Kill wasn't even the h2o clan leader and he still was the best.

i feel like your reply must be in response to an entirely different statement...

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finally lobbywars. remember those random-team games with you, mike and tunaman, whiskey? think you and mike won maybe half of your games, i won all except one. we did some more the other day with i0n and hypnos, played maybe 15 games over two sessions, i won all except one.

wow it sounds like trooprm after winning a 1v1. Sorry I didn't realize you were keeping track. If I knew we were actually having a competition as to who can win the most games, I probably would of gone all in.

there you have it, ladies and gentlemen.

OMG I CANT BELIEVE YOU'RE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT WHO WON THOSE GAMES
I WASN'T TRYING

it was only a matter of time, i suppose

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Remember those clanwar cups, where H2O won 30, and Spoonyclan won, 1 or 2 maybe before H2O was even around?

do you remember what the question was in the first place? did i say i was the best player during the period of H2O's supremacy? no, i think you'll find i was one of the VERY FEW people at clanwars who didn't have a huge problem accepting that it was kill.

as for how many clan cups i have, is it relevant? i can go into that if you like - it's more than 2 - but nothing i've said so far depends upon it.

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i've always been at least a match for simpee in clanwars despite the fact he's always played fanatically more often than i did (see the period when i revitalised the league after not playing for a year, whereas he never stopped. and before that i was more of an admin than a player, as you know)

Well yeah I'm sure you were a 'match' for anyone, but Simpee simply outclassed you. Now after clanwars has died, and you're playing hundreds of public server games a month, You call him out?

not really, i just answered the question. i didn't really care whether it would hit him as hard as it did or not. did i even mention his name until someone else did?

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A little late don't ya think? If you wanted to claim best player, you had the last 8 years to do it. You're too late now - the most competitive part of Ren is dead.

people said exactly the same about kill, did they not? and i was always there telling them to just play against H2O if they wanted to prove something; and regardless of the outcome, the league would benefit.

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i also haven't heard an answer to my earlier question - are honesty and fairplay worth consideration in this matter?

I'd say no. Obviously a cheater can't be best player, but all of the people in the running for the title didn't cheat. No, not even Simpee, as you like to claim over and over on every post.

i'm glad to get an answer on that.

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secondly, i can't be the only person to notice what a pathologically compulsive liar he is. seriously, he's one of the most dishonest people this game has ever seen.

omg not this again. I like how Simpee put it - rep rape.

then how would you describe what he and clearshot tried to do on the jelly forum, for which neither of them have apologised?

everything i've said about simpee has been true. not a single word has been debunked. compare that to the enormous number of times he's tried to lie to the community about me, getting caught every single time (when it's in public, at least)

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I didn't really notice that. All I noticed, was my msn blinking. I'd open it, and its Simpee saying 3v3? Then we'd play a series. After the series, we'd report our games, and move on to the next day. Anything that happens outside of the game, is peanuts. What really matters, is what goes on ingame.

seems to me whether it's true or not that a player is breaking a particular rule or whether an admin is doing such-and-such corrupt action does matter. it obviously matters to simpee.

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(as an aside, whiskey, do you remember how many people kept changing the subject to BR and uded because it pained them too much to admit kill was the best player at the time? perhaps you can see where i'm going with that)

I remember early on, I made the mistake of prematurely claiming H2O was the best. People started flaming and disliking me after that, and as you can see, thats what happens when you try to claim your the best at something. If your the best, people will tell you. Kill didn't have to tell people he was the best... we just knew.

that would be earlier on than i was referring to. i remember a very long period where an awful lot of clanwars players had a really tough time accepting how good kill was.

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so there you go... he's nothing remarkable at all in publics or commwars (which are the games people actually play), maybe about equivalent to me in clanwars if you want to talk about games nobody plays anymore, and with the added bonus that i can actually be trusted...

There's no maybe about you being equivalent to him in clanwars. You weren't.

are we still changing the question to anything except what it originally was, i.e. "who's the best player now?"

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People still do play clanwars... they're just not reporting them because theres no point. Clanwars will always be the #1 way to determine who the best Player in Renegade is.
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i can find at least one major contradiction here.


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