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Whats your guys opinions and personal experience with ASUS and MSI motherboards for AMD cpu's
which if you can include info about how things are including
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I want to buy a mobo for my amd cpu but seems like newegg keeps narrowing down to those two main trusted brands when I kinda want a gigabyte one
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What boards do you have in mind? Are you looking at an older 790 chipset or a newer 870/890? A couple links would be helpful so we can see exactly what you're looking for.
I own two MSI boards. The BIOS for my 790FX-GD70 has so many features and tweaks that it's crazy, whereas the BIOS for my older 690G model is way more limited.
Neither of the MSI boards have ever had defects; both booted up immediately, the 790FX model handling my gaming, etc, and the 690G model doing hard time as a home-theatre PC. Both are rock solid.
Pros of MSI are that their boards are often a bit cheaper than the competition from Asus or Gigabyte. However, the reason they are generally cheaper is because they have fewer features, and MSI's support is not as good as Asus' or Gigabyte's.
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Tue, 08 June 2010 23:48 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 08 June 2010 23:37 |
What boards do you have in mind? Are you looking at an older 790 chipset or a newer 870/890? A couple links would be helpful so we can see exactly what you're looking for.
I own two MSI boards. The BIOS for my 790FX-GD70 has so many features and tweaks that it's crazy, whereas the BIOS for my older 690G model is way more limited.
Neither of the MSI boards have ever had defects; both booted up immediately, the 790FX model handling my gaming, etc, and the 690G model doing hard time as a home-theatre PC. Both are rock solid.
Pros of MSI are that their boards are often a bit cheaper than the competition from Asus or Gigabyte. However, the reason they are generally cheaper is because they have fewer features, and MSI's support is not as good as Asus' or Gigabyte's.
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-AMD 800 series
-I dont think ill be over clocking
-I want to be able to have moderate amount of BIOS tweaks and settings I can change
-Preferred a FX chipset series
-Dont need more than 2 PCI-E 2.0 x16
-Stay below 200 dollars
-Support phenom II x4
-Support DDR3 Ram
-If possible USB3
Thats All I can think up at moment, I dont have many in mind right now until I narrow down my search, SO far Im using newegg and tiger direct to shop
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Wed, 09 June 2010 09:24 |
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| (SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Tue, 08 June 2010 23:48 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 08 June 2010 23:37 |
What boards do you have in mind? Are you looking at an older 790 chipset or a newer 870/890? A couple links would be helpful so we can see exactly what you're looking for.
I own two MSI boards. The BIOS for my 790FX-GD70 has so many features and tweaks that it's crazy, whereas the BIOS for my older 690G model is way more limited.
Neither of the MSI boards have ever had defects; both booted up immediately, the 790FX model handling my gaming, etc, and the 690G model doing hard time as a home-theatre PC. Both are rock solid.
Pros of MSI are that their boards are often a bit cheaper than the competition from Asus or Gigabyte. However, the reason they are generally cheaper is because they have fewer features, and MSI's support is not as good as Asus' or Gigabyte's.
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-AMD 800 series
-I dont think ill be over clocking
-I want to be able to have moderate amount of BIOS tweaks and settings I can change
-Preferred a FX chipset series
-Dont need more than 2 PCI-E 2.0 x16
-Stay below 200 dollars
-Support phenom II x4
-Support DDR3 Ram
-If possible USB3
Thats All I can think up at moment, I dont have many in mind right now until I narrow down my search, SO far Im using newegg and tiger direct to shop
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also to add its gonna be socket AM3
and I heard the GX series only differences from the FX by having dual onbaord graphics and 2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 Slots whiles FX has 4 And up, I dont need 4, except I read by peopel They seem to say the FX are alot stable and faster then GX but while FX has so many PCI-E 2.0 x16 slots they barly have one of none of the others like a normal pci slot
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| Re: Motherboards......Again [message #430422 is a reply to message #430402] |
Wed, 09 June 2010 10:39 |
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You're more or less correct:
GX boards can have two PCIe x16 slots, but if you decide to use both slots for graphics cards, then each one runs at x8.
Unless you think you'll be running Crossfire, and have a pair of very powerful cards, going with a 790GX board is the best way to go, especially if you're not that interested in overclocking. You can run a pair of ATI 5850's if you wanted to on a GX board and there wouldn't be a problem.
If I were you, I'd be looking at this GX board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&cm_re=890gx- _-13-128-435-_-Product
The reviews for it are great, and it has all the features you want.
However, you may also want to consider an '870' board. An 870 has fewer features than an 890GX, like only one PCIe x16 slot, and generally fewer overclocking options. They still support SATA6, and USB 3...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443&cm_re=870-_- 13-128-443-_-Product
It has two PCIe slots, but only the top one runs at x16. Putting a graphics card in the second one will make it very, very slow.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157198&cm_re=870-_- 13-157-198-_-Product
AsRock's board is interesting in that it advertises 16x/8x PCIe slots, which is just like a GX board. Either that's a typo, or that's a really good deal for 95 dollars. The reviewers here were also very pleased with it.
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Wed, 09 June 2010 14:11 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 10:39 |
You're more or less correct:
GX boards can have two PCIe x16 slots, but if you decide to use both slots for graphics cards, then each one runs at x8.
Unless you think you'll be running Crossfire, and have a pair of very powerful cards, going with a 790GX board is the best way to go, especially if you're not that interested in overclocking. You can run a pair of ATI 5850's if you wanted to on a GX board and there wouldn't be a problem.
If I were you, I'd be looking at this GX board:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435&cm_re=890gx- _-13-128-435-_-Product
The reviews for it are great, and it has all the features you want.
However, you may also want to consider an '870' board. An 870 has fewer features than an 890GX, like only one PCIe x16 slot, and generally fewer overclocking options. They still support SATA6, and USB 3...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128443&cm_re=870-_- 13-128-443-_-Product
It has two PCIe slots, but only the top one runs at x16. Putting a graphics card in the second one will make it very, very slow.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157198&cm_re=870-_- 13-157-198-_-Product
AsRock's board is interesting in that it advertises 16x/8x PCIe slots, which is just like a GX board. Either that's a typo, or that's a really good deal for 95 dollars. The reviewers here were also very pleased with it.
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Thanks Ill check out the boards in a bit, so Asrocks have good boards?
someone told me foxcon is very good awell what are your guys thoughts on that?
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| Re: Motherboards......Again [message #430455 is a reply to message #430402] |
Wed, 09 June 2010 23:21 |
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Both the Gigabyte and AsRock look like real good bets. It seems the AsRock is on sale; at its normal price, I'm not sure I'd buy it, but at 155, that's a really good deal, especially with the extra USB 3 ports, and SATA6. The power regulation around the CPU also looks very good, should you decide you want to overclock in the future, or buy a powerful CPU in the future.
The decision lies with you:
The Gigabyte costs 15 dollars less; you get fewer USB 3.0 ports, and the PCI-e slots will both run at x8 if you decide to use Crossfire. On the other hand, Gigabyte is known for quality, and also has 'dual-bios' in case something goes horribly wrong while updating or overclocking; it's a useful backup.
AsRock's support is also more limited than Gigabyte's, and if you need help on a computer forum, you'll find more people with Gigabyte's than AsRock's. At the same time, AsRock's been getting a lot more attention because their product has been really good lately.
Go with what you think is right. It seems you've looked around, and think the AsRock is the one for you, so that's probably the one to get.
Maybe make sure you know who to call, or to contact at either AsRock or Gigabyte in case something goes wrong. I've been lucky enough to never have gotten a dead board, but it can happen with any brand. Also, figure out and understand Newegg's RMA process in case you have to send the board back to them.
Just make sure you take your time building the system, double check your connections, and you should be fine. 
Here's a link to an AsRock help forum: http://forums.tweaktown.com/f80/
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| Re: Motherboards......Again [message #430480 is a reply to message #430458] |
Thu, 10 June 2010 12:19 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 23:51 |
Double post - One question: Is there a particular reason why you're looking at just AMD?
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Budget, Im using my graduation money, anyways i read up about ASRocks and they say they suck. so not sure which of the two to choose from
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Thu, 10 June 2010 12:33 |
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| (SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 14:19 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 23:51 |
Double post - One question: Is there a particular reason why you're looking at just AMD?
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Budget, Im using my graduation money, anyways i read up about ASRocks and they say they suck. so not sure which of the two to choose from
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Where exactly did somebody say AsRock sucked?
It depends who you ask. Plenty of people say Asus, and MSI suck, too. It's not as if they're wrong or right, but they're in a real minority.
You have to realize that if people are happy with a product, they're often too busy enjoying it to not write about it, whereas someone who has a bad product will complain, and do it a lot.
I've also found that a lot of people who say a product sucks, like a motherboard, often haven't done their homework, and their problems may have been their own fault. This is often the case with Newegg reviews. 
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Thu, 10 June 2010 12:43 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 12:33 |
| (SSnipe) -BLU3Y3Z- wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 14:19 |
| nikki6ixx wrote on Wed, 09 June 2010 23:51 |
Double post - One question: Is there a particular reason why you're looking at just AMD?
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Budget, Im using my graduation money, anyways i read up about ASRocks and they say they suck. so not sure which of the two to choose from
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Where exactly did somebody say AsRock sucked?
It depends who you ask. Plenty of people say Asus, and MSI suck, too. It's not as if they're wrong or right, but they're in a real minority.
You have to realize that if people are happy with a product, they're often too busy enjoying it to not write about it, whereas someone who has a bad product will complain, and do it a lot.
I've also found that a lot of people who say a product sucks, like a motherboard, often haven't done their homework, and their problems may have been their own fault. This is often the case with Newegg reviews.
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Well I did a gigabyte vs ASRock serach on google
and came up with a few sites with ltos of post of shit talk all on ASRock saying that the quality of it is low and cheap and whats its made out of sucks, I really like the ASRock one but damn idk
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| Re: Motherboards......Again [message #430484 is a reply to message #430402] |
Thu, 10 June 2010 12:59 |
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As I said, people get one bad board, or one bad experience, and then they spread their idiocy all over.
And, I've noticed a lot of nerds with PC's will base their opinions on the opinions of others; by the looks of things, it seems almost 90% of the people who say the brand sucks have never even owned one. You can bet that many of those people will only buy an Asus or Gigabyte. Tons of people say MSI sucks too, but my experience with their products has been completely positive.
It's your call to make. After what I've read about the AsRock, it seems like a great board. But so is the Gigabyte.
Edit: TomsHardware awarded AsRock's X58 board a 'Best Buy' because it was so good, and offered a lot of features, so I doubt quality is a big problem.
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Thu, 10 June 2010 13:08 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 12:59 |
As I said, people get one bad board, or one bad experience, and then they spread their idiocy all over.
And, I've noticed a lot of nerds with PC's will base their opinions on the opinions of others; by the looks of things, it seems almost 90% of the people who say the brand sucks have never even owned one. You can bet that many of those people will only buy an Asus or Gigabyte. Tons of people say MSI sucks too, but my experience with their products has been completely positive.
It's your call to make. After what I've read about the AsRock, it seems like a great board. But so is the Gigabyte.
Edit: TomsHardware awarded AsRock's X58 board a 'Best Buy' because it was so good, and offered a lot of features, so I doubt quality is a big problem.
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I guess your right I jsut wish I knew for sure without a doute if this one is good, reviews seem good, just not alot of them
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Thu, 10 June 2010 13:22 |
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Another review came out for the AsRock:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASRock-890FX-Deluxe3-Motherboard/1022/1
The more I read about this board, the more I like it. I can't find any particular way that AsRock 'cut corners' with it, as the power regulation system is great, and its performance is on par with the higher priced 890FX competition. Even the placement of the front-panel connectors is really convenient compared to my MSI. Also, AsRock lets you save BIOS profiles, which is handy when you're learning to fool around with overclocking.
The AsRock seems to have exactly what you want, so I'd get it. The last thing you want to do is buy something else, and then regret it. I doubt the AsRock will have problems, especially if you're not going to be pushing it too much, and if it does, there's always RMA processes to help you return it.
Just make sure you find out the proper contacts for warranty inquiries, and help.
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 13:22 |
Another review came out for the AsRock:
http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/ASRock-890FX-Deluxe3-Motherboard/1022/1
The more I read about this board, the more I like it. I can't find any particular way that AsRock 'cut corners' with it, as the power regulation system is great, and its performance is on par with the higher priced 890FX competition. Even the placement of the front-panel connectors is really convenient compared to my MSI. Also, AsRock lets you save BIOS profiles, which is handy when you're learning to fool around with overclocking.
The AsRock seems to have exactly what you want, so I'd get it. The last thing you want to do is buy something else, and then regret it. I doubt the AsRock will have problems, especially if you're not going to be pushing it too much, and if it does, there's always RMA processes to help you return it.
Just make sure you find out the proper contacts for warranty inquiries, and help.
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I dont plan to over clock so i should be fine im still do some research =]u been huge help nikki
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Another thing. Do you already have a CPU and RAM? I'm asking because you should keep an eye out for combo's on Newegg. Often they sell motherboard with RAM and CPU's and you can save some money that way.
For example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.398185
If you were looking to get a Phenom 955 already, this combo would 'effectively' shave 35 dollars (with the rebate) off of the MSI 890FX board, making it 165 dollars - $10 more than the AsRock. Currently, there's no combo's offered with the AsRock.
Just some food for thought.
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 14:54 |
I'd pick the 955 over the 965. The 965 is only 200MHz faster, and you can easily change the speed of the 955 to match the 965. It's a very, very small overclock, and it's very easy. It'll save you 20 dollars, too!
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808&cm_re=phenom _955-_-19-103-808-_-Product
Good choice on the RAM! I use G-Skill and it's good stuff. They stand behind their product. However, I should note that you'll need to play around in the BIOS, or in AMD Overdrive to set the proper speed and timings. Just a heads up.
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Is it that the only difference so I can over clock the 955 to be 965?
also whats wrong with timing, as I said this ram was on the MOBO list of ram that works with it =]
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Yep. The 955 is very easy to overclock by changing the 'multiplier.' It's a very easy thing to do; when you're all set up and your PC runs fine, it's just a matter of going into the BIOS and ticking a number up one or two points. No voltage change, nada. It's easy to find help on how to do so, or even I could probably list the process.
As for the RAM, it may be on the list for the motherboard, but you may still need to change the timings and speed in your BIOS in order to maximize the performance. It may just default to 1066MHz. Once again, it's very easy to do in the BIOS or in AMD Overdrive.
To be honest, I wouldn't worry about that stuff until you've got your PC working, and you've used it for a while.
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| Re: Motherboards......Again [message #430546 is a reply to message #430496] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 17:01 |
Yep. The 955 is very easy to overclock by changing the 'multiplier.' It's a very easy thing to do; when you're all set up and your PC runs fine, it's just a matter of going into the BIOS and ticking a number up one or two points. No voltage change, nada. It's easy to find help on how to do so, or even I could probably list the process.
As for the RAM, it may be on the list for the motherboard, but you may still need to change the timings and speed in your BIOS in order to maximize the performance. It may just default to 1066MHz. Once again, it's very easy to do in the BIOS or in AMD Overdrive.
To be honest, I wouldn't worry about that stuff until you've got your PC working, and you've used it for a while.
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I plan on buying the 3 parts I am just about 50 bucks short which im trying to come up with
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So nikki, I jsut ordered the 3 parts, so when it comes here there site ahs a tut on how to unlock the cores and then maybe you or someone can help me overclock it to match up to the 965? without increasing voltage?
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Awesome! Ok, when you've built the computer, and installed Windows and made sure everything works, then you can change the multiplier.
I'm using my MSI BIOS as a guide, but yours should] be relatively similar.
All you need to do is start your computer up, tap 'Delete' or whatever key AsRock uses to enter the BIOS as it starts up, and it'll take you into the BIOS.
When you're in, look around in the different menus for something to do with overclocking. It might be 'Cell Menu,' 'OC Tweaker' or something to that extent.
In the menu, you'll likely find something like 'CPU Ratio' or 'CPU Multiplier.' There will be a number next to it that says x16, or it might say 'Auto.' What you do is highlight it, tap Enter, and go down the numbers until you come across x17.
Press Enter, and it should show your CPU frequency as 3400, or 3.4GHz.
Next, find an option that is called 'AMD Cool & Quiet' and disable it.
Save your BIOS settings as a profile if possible, and then save the settings, and exit. Your PC will reboot.
When you're back in Windows, you can use a program like CPU-Z to verify your CPU speed, which should be 3.4GHz.
*Make sure you don't play around too much in the BIOS at first, or you could cause your new PC a lot of problems*
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