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| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429519 is a reply to message #429252] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 02:55 |
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If this is a cheat, textures that make infantry really bright are certainly, too.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429524 is a reply to message #429512] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 03:53 |
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| Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 |
| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429535 is a reply to message #429524] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 07:13 |
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| Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 |
| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
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the guy in your signature looks like he knows about reading comprehension though!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429544 is a reply to message #429535] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 09:18 |
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| Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 09:13 |
| Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 |
| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
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the guy in your signature looks like he knows about reading comprehension though!
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seriously
I mean, he's wearing fucking glasses
that automatically makes you smart
unless you're dover
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429548 is a reply to message #429489] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 09:56 |
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[quote title=EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:01]| Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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Sorry mate, but that information is out of date.
Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways)
Also, on topic:
I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5 
(for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol)
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2
@Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it.
I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
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Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters.
Epic!
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The way I see it, I'm keeping everyone happy. Some server's allow this modded hud and some do not. Everywhere dis-allows cheating, so bad analogy.
Also, I find it highly amusing that in this topic your against aimbots - yet you back 0x90 up, if you've forgotted, he's the guy that created the aimbot in the fucking first place. Also, don't give me bs that you've made biatch with an anti-aimbot function, because your great friend bypassed that as well.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429556 is a reply to message #429548] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 11:56 |
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| Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 18:56 |
| Azazel wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 00:41 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 06:48 |
I think you're wrong on the exact reason why 0x90 is still here. It's not as much to not piss him off, but rather because some of the anti cheat creators made a deal with him (a few years ago) so he doesn't hack into anti cheat software any longer. In their eyes it's logic that if you do "business" with people (I'm not expressing myself on the nature of this business), you don't ban them from your home, as long as they respect the home rules of course.
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Sorry mate, but that information is out of date.
Our good friend 0x90 may not directly hack into anti-cheat programs such as rg/rr anymore. But he releases 'certain things' that allow people too. I'm sure anyone with half a brain knows what I'm talking about ... (moderators anyways)
Also, on topic:
I have the ideal hud. In public servers that allow buildingbars/minecounters etc, I use it. In cw games/server that don't allow advantage huds I can simply disable it by pressing F5
(for anyone that cares: I use a blue one now lol)
http://www.mediafire.com/?jyz2zlziwd2
@Gozy: This is only hud-pics to prove that my hud has the function to disable buildingbars/entirehud/map-overlay etc. If you feel that its inapropiate, you may remove it.
I'm interested in what kind of response this'll provoke tho.
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 18:01 |
Nice, first we had just an aimbot that could hide it selfs, now we have even more cheats that can hide themself. Even coming from people who claim to be anti cheaters.
Epic!
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LOL
The way I see it, I'm keeping everyone happy. Some server's allow this modded hud and some do not. Everywhere dis-allows cheating, so bad analogy.
Also, I find it highly amusing that in this topic your against aimbots - yet you back 0x90 up, if you've forgotted, he's the guy that created the aimbot in the fucking first place. Also, don't give me bs that you've made biatch with an anti-aimbot function, because your great friend bypassed that as well.
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I always said I hate people using aimbot. Have had to ban some respected BI members for that. But that doesn't mean I can't like 0x90 as a person.
The person that uses the cheat is more evil than the one that creates it. Hell, otherwise StealthEye would be the most badass person around, he made some horrible PoC's.
But by creating them, he also gained the knowledge how to block them. 0x90 has the same for the cheats he creates. Therefore it saves us time if we can get him to tell us what he uses in his cheats. When we ban him, having contact becomes a lot harder. Thus isn't beneficial to us (TT-team) in any way and to that extend, not to RenegadeForums/the Renegade community.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429570 is a reply to message #429524] |
Thu, 27 May 2010 16:36 |
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| Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 |
| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
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he's saying that we all have opinions, just that they don't matter and aren't deciding factors.
but it's just another dumb statement by R393158z0arz(add some more obnoxious e-spelling) who's trying his hardest to minimize the fact that the HUD upgrade is a cheat. it certainly pales in comparison when compared to something like an aimbot but it's still an unfair advantage over other players and it can easily be defined as a cheat, no matter how small of an advantage it is.
I think it's funny that silentkane mentions bright skins which are obviously advantages as well. I mean, just imagine any other game like CSS or call of duty 4. VAC blocks textures on those games because being able to notice a player from far away almost instantly, as opposed to having to actually look more carefully for them, is a big advantage.
huds and bright skins shouldn't be bannable, but they also shouldn't be allowed. they don't belong in the game but many people tend to overlook them for whatever reason. This is taking the game serious as shit but i don't think anyone can deny that upgraded huds and skins are an advantage over other players.
i'm not the only one who can see the advantage of having your proxy count instantly available on the hud, while also walking through the tunnels and noticing a little spongebob c4 sticking in the wall and a bright green sniper to the side of the screen.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429587 is a reply to message #429570] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 01:46 |
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| Rocko wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 01:36 |
| Tunaman wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 05:53 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 03:12 |
| Tunaman wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 20:40 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 19:42 |
I said a HUD is not the same as a cheat. Whether you think an upgraded HUD is bad or not is up to you.
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Quoted for awesome.
I'm not really contributing to this topic, sorry!
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yeah, R315r4z0r said everyone has their own opinion, what a neat and surprisingly obvious idea that i never realized! by the way the ocean looks blue, how crazy is that?
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damn i am bad at reading comprehension, I swore that said said "is not up to you" when I read that
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he's saying that we all have opinions, just that they don't matter and aren't deciding factors.
but it's just another dumb statement by R393158z0arz(add some more obnoxious e-spelling) who's trying his hardest to minimize the fact that the HUD upgrade is a cheat. it certainly pales in comparison when compared to something like an aimbot but it's still an unfair advantage over other players and it can easily be defined as a cheat, no matter how small of an advantage it is.
I think it's funny that silentkane mentions bright skins which are obviously advantages as well. I mean, just imagine any other game like CSS or call of duty 4. VAC blocks textures on those games because being able to notice a player from far away almost instantly, as opposed to having to actually look more carefully for them, is a big advantage.
huds and bright skins shouldn't be bannable, but they also shouldn't be allowed. they don't belong in the game but many people tend to overlook them for whatever reason. This is taking the game serious as shit but i don't think anyone can deny that upgraded huds and skins are an advantage over other players.
i'm not the only one who can see the advantage of having your proxy count instantly available on the hud, while also walking through the tunnels and noticing a little spongebob c4 sticking in the wall and a bright green sniper to the side of the screen.
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I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429604 is a reply to message #429603] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 09:19 |
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| DeathLink6.0 wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 16:32 |
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I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space.
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Despends on the design, the right size of every element an so on. It is not hard to add these elements without wasting too much space.
These features - especially the buildingbars, minecounter and distancenumber at crosshair - would be a very nice addition to Renegades HUD.
Renegade is not just a damn deathmatch shooter where you just need the most important information about your own status. You also need information about your team AND your base (the base is still the most important features which seperates CCR from other MP shooters). The way you can access them in vanilla Renegade are just stupid/retarded. You can't do anything while looking at the building status or the team status.
Another option would be to implement these elements like a scorelist: You still have to press a button to access it BUT you can move and shot while watching it. Or you do this as toggleable HUD element like Renegades scorelist. Pressing the button adds these features as HUD element. Hiting the button again makes them disappear.
This would be two very nice compromises.
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The problem is that as it stands, the information is only available to some clients, and not others, thus creating an unfair advantage in favour of whomever has it.
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| halokid wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 08:46 |
| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429619 is a reply to message #429252] |
Fri, 28 May 2010 14:58 |
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Everyone having building bars would still cause some problems IMO, but I guess it does open up some more opportunities for strategy and such.
Mine counter, though, is utter bullshit.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429664 is a reply to message #429603] |
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| DeathLink6.0 wrote on Fri, 28 May 2010 17:32 |
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I think that if those "features" wouldn't be included in HUDs, that HUDs would be way less popular. Also, normally you want your hud to be as clean as possible (= most viewing area). You only want information that is directly and IMMEADIATELY useful for you. This means that one would not make HUDs with these "features" is they wouldn't be so useful, because it would just be a waste of valuable space.
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Despends on the design, the right size of every element an so on. It is not hard to add these elements without wasting too much space.
These features - especially the buildingbars, minecounter and distancenumber at crosshair - would be a very nice addition to Renegades HUD.
Renegade is not just a damn deathmatch shooter where you just need the most important information about your own status. You also need information about your team AND your base (the base is still the most important features which seperates CCR from other MP shooters). The way you can access them in vanilla Renegade are just stupid/retarded. You can't do anything while looking at the building status or the team status.
Another option would be to implement these elements like a scorelist: You still have to press a button to access it BUT you can move and shot while watching it. Or you do this as toggleable HUD element like Renegades scorelist. Pressing the button adds these features as HUD element. Hiting the button again makes them disappear.
This would be two very nice compromises.
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You just proved my point, they are very handy features to have. The downside of them are (I think) that it makes defending too easy (presuming everyone has them). It would be impossible to sneak in somewhere. Hell you wouldn't even need to lay down 5 mines per entrace anymore, as you'll directly notices when someons attempts to move in.
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