| something you may not know [message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 17:14  |
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crazfulla
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I was away from ren for ages, I come back and start playing on n00bless where I was a moderator once (until Hex threw a hissy fit because of something I said). I notice a few people getting odd weapons and shit but I dont think much of it. I mean, a sbh with a volt autorifle? Not likely, but possible.
Anyway it was later brought to my attention that certain moderators and people who contribute financially towards the server(s) were being given certain privies. For starters, they get 30% discounts on all purchases at the PT. This is regardless of promotion level (I think you can get upto 15% discount by being promoted). Anyways, also, they can use exclusive commands to get free weapons and vehicles, and god knows what else (I don't even want to know).
What really amazes me is that some people at n00bless actually think this is acceptable, and make a feeble attempt to defend Hex. If you ask me, this is essentially cheating, and it is a tad ironic for mods to be using these commands when their job is to remove cheaters. IMO Anyone who impliments or uses such commands is a fucking scumbag and not worthy of moderating or administering a server.
I also know that I am not the only person to feel this way. Several people at n00bless are sick of those commands but are too shit scared to say anything. I think that the public has a right to know about this, I don't anticipate this is something that Hex would spread widely. I mean, he always seems to have some comeback to everything, but not this. Thus far he seems to be completely avoiding the issue.
So if he will not discuss it, I shall discuss it with the wider renegade community. What are your thoughts? Am I just over reacting? or is this truely a new low? 
vent over.
| "GEoDLeto wrote:" |
so what you are saying it is gonna take even longer before this thing is finished
So the topic title should be changed to: a sucky little "teaser" from C&C Reborn has been released
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| "halo2pac wrote:" |
Unless they are girls, I am not going to bone them.
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425545 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 17:20  |
InternetThug
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While I believe that is bullshit, I must say that if those people are too scared to say something and play there anyways, nothing is really going to change. You might aswell find a new server for the time being.
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425546 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 17:25 |
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DRNG
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If you contribute to a server financially you don't deserve special powers. Nobody does, not even the owner. Unless you are a moderator or admin, which in that case your powers should be limited to removing cheaters, douchebags and keeping the server in a good state.
It's Renegade. Nobody should be given special discounts, super weapons or powers alike. I am sure players there are playing there for a fun gaming experience, not advantages to those who gave a buck or two.
However, it's not my server. I don't make the rules, they do. If you don't like the server you can leave it and find another one. 
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425548 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 17:48 |
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R315r4z0r
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Seriously? I think it's actually a really good idea.
I mean, there is obviously a line between doing something that is a flat out ridiculous cheat and something that rewards donators.
I think that the PT discounts is actually a very good way of rewarding a donator. I think the max discount should be like 5-10%, however.
Other good rewards could be like special server commands (like sounds and stuff), special server appearances (like those floating icons that some servers have over characters), and other superficial things.
Obviously things like free weapons and stuff isn't a good idea, but that isn't to say that there can't be things that reward people who donate money.
Overall, I think that this concept of rewarding the people who care enough to donate to a server is an excellent way to:
-Keep a strong, loyal community
-Encourage server donation
-Make the game experience more dynamic
However, I also believe that these rewards should not be limited to just those who donate money. People who donate their time and effort should also reap benefits. (Advertising, creating banners and logos, keeping regular server attendance, etc)
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425554 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 18:41 |
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crazfulla
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Note: I don't mind them giving some reward to donators.
The problem is that this reward is an unfair advantage.
| "GEoDLeto wrote:" |
so what you are saying it is gonna take even longer before this thing is finished
So the topic title should be changed to: a sucky little "teaser" from C&C Reborn has been released
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| "halo2pac wrote:" |
Unless they are girls, I am not going to bone them.
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425569 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 20:36 |
a000clown
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The only reward for donations should be self-satisfaction. Expecting something out of a donation is basically extortion.
I'm not saying what n00bless is doing is wrong, servers do cost quite a bit of money; I just think everybody should stop hiding behind "nice" words and call it exactly what it is: a commodity to be sold.
That said, I see nothing wrong with selling special advantages for a price (whether that price is real money or time spent moderating/maintaining the server is irrelevant). If you don't like it, simply don't play there.
Although I see nothing wrong with what they're doing from a moral standpoint, my personal preference is that all players are completely equal (which also means no custom client changes such as skins but that's for a different thread).
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425576 is a reply to message #425544] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 23:31 |
raven
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If you don't like it, don't play there.. simple concept people seem to not understand time and time again
Don't go on a crusade against Hex and n00bless on Renforums.. just stop playing there
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425578 is a reply to message #425569] |
Mon, 12 April 2010 23:46 |
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Goztow
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| a000clown wrote on Tue, 13 April 2010 05:36 |
The only reward for donations should be self-satisfaction. Expecting something out of a donation is basically extortion.
I'm not saying what n00bless is doing is wrong, servers do cost quite a bit of money; I just think everybody should stop hiding behind "nice" words and call it exactly what it is: a commodity to be sold.
That said, I see nothing wrong with selling special advantages for a price (whether that price is real money or time spent moderating/maintaining the server is irrelevant). If you don't like it, simply don't play there.
Although I see nothing wrong with what they're doing from a moral standpoint, my personal preference is that all players are completely equal (which also means no custom client changes such as skins but that's for a different thread).
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I think I have to agree with the clown. 30 % does seem a lot of an advantage... I personally prefer it when everyone is equal.
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425587 is a reply to message #425544] |
Tue, 13 April 2010 04:54 |
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It's their server, they can do what they want.
If players don't like it, they don't have to play there. No need to go calling them out about it.
I also Once considered this, but instead of "buffs" such as this, I was going to allow commands to allow donators a limited amount of uses of !SetNextMap <map name> and other commands that do not directly effect gameplay.
There's obviously a market for it, so some people like the idea.
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425637 is a reply to message #425635] |
Tue, 13 April 2010 17:32 |
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HaTe
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Well, I'm sure that many of the people who donated knew about the little upgrade they would get...whether they cared or not. So it was advertised in it's own way really, after people see that people were getting advantages after donating. I also highly doubt it was kept a secret from public entirely, as that would defeat the purpose entirely.
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmund Burke
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425649 is a reply to message #425648] |
Tue, 13 April 2010 17:54 |
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| HaTe wrote on Tue, 13 April 2010 18:50 |
Well, it sounds like it was advertised somehow eventually, based on the fact that craz knew the exact advantages (Given, he may have done research).
He did however say:
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Anyway it was later brought to my attention that certain moderators and people who contribute financially towards the server(s) were being given certain privies.
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Which of course gives the assumption that if someone was smart enough to figure out something fishy was going on, then they could have found out what exactly it was.
I wouldn't mind it being in the message pop-up at beginning of game, if it is not already. Though, i could care less anyways.
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i think in the end a debate over this is pointless.... i dont think really anyone should care if a pop up is provided.... in the end if you dont like the server... be it people, shitty mods, or advantages...
PLAY IN A DIFFERENT SERVER
The world.... hell with benefits
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425650 is a reply to message #425649] |
Tue, 13 April 2010 17:56 |
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HaTe
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Agreed. Which is exactly what i do, and exactly why i don't play there hardly at all. Actually, drama about a community generally raises the average play count in the server....even when the drama is about something as dumb as this. So it's actually helping n00bless in the long run  .
‘All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing’ - Edmund Burke
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| Re: something you may not know [message #425668 is a reply to message #425544] |
Tue, 13 April 2010 19:48 |
dr3w2
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I agree with what most people have said here. Basically, "unfair add-ons for special/donating members are acceptable as long as it's well known to the players who play there. If you don't agree, don't play there".
Luv2pb I should totally start progressing again on that lovely project 
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