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Re: Catholic adoption agencies and homosexuality [message #425359 is a reply to message #425285] Sun, 11 April 2010 00:07 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Spoony wrote on Mon, 05 April 2010 07:40

snpr1101 wrote on Sun, 04 April 2010 23:27

And about disproving God and the Bible etc. Alot of the reasons behind the arguments presented here are based upon, or have a strong link to teachings in the Bible, or a lack of. If you're a person who has an immense belief in the Bible and your God; and somebody starts to argue against certain points of it - how can the believer accept they are wrong without accepting their God does not exist - hence the teachings and everything that fuels their argument is moot? That, I believe, is the only way to prove someone wrong in this case.

actually, no, it's not.

if their entire argument is "it's wrong because god disapproves of it" (and that's what it always boils down to), then this doesn't deserve to be taken seriously UNTIL the following things have been successfully demonstrated.
1. that this god exists at all
2. that the bible is an accurate depiction of god's character
3. that god is so morally superior that his wishes overrule our ideas on human rights

nobody's done any of the above. they need to do all three before they can expect to be taken seriously.


I would like to add to Spoony's reply to this.

It's very inhumane to ask to disprove the existence of a god for you to stop shoving your beliefs on others.

Here's an example of an ancient Aztec human sacrifice:

Aztec priest: allright now hold his hands and legs...
Atheist: fuck stop NOW you brutes
Aztec priest: this sacrifice will repay the gods!
Atheist: how fucking wrong is this? no human deserves to die even if your bloody gods are real.
snpr1101: you're wrong atheist! Prove the gods are not real. Only if you prove so will the sacrifice be stopped.

So there it is.

btw, all gods are proved or disproved on the basis of probability. What is the probability of Zeus being true? None right now though it was 100% back in ancient times. The same logic is applied for all the gods today, including the christian god. So the existence of the christian god is highly improbable along with the existence of allah or the mormon god though their followers claim otherwise.

snpr1101 wrote on Sun, 04 April 2010 23:27


And no, I don't think this is "another" argument to "win". I thought you might of observed how I made reference to God, the Bible etc. I didn't make light of this debate. I simply saw a way, in my opinion, whether it be wrong or not, to allow someone to accept another's thinking as truth over their own. Perhaps I should of written it as above to avoid confusion. But did you really think I saw it as the "Victor" of this debate could stand up on the "podium" and give an "acceptance speech" whilst I handed him his "First Place Trophy"?


I was getting at how high the stakes are now in real life. And it's worrying to see such bankruptcy of reason.


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