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When in your opinion does it become abuse?

This came across my mind earlier today when my grandmother was yelling at my four year old cousin for throwing a fit... during this she spanks him and says "Now you have a reason to cry, now stop crying or ill do it again" at this moment i commented that that was abuse if she does it again and then she flipped out on me and starts chewing me out... then my grandfather joins against her and you can imagine how this continues....

So, when does punishment become abuse?


Re: Punishing a Child [message #424504 is a reply to message #424502] Fri, 02 April 2010 20:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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When someone isn't really doing anything wrong and you're punishing them just cuz you're pissed off, then that's when it's abuse.

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Re: Punishing a Child [message #424505 is a reply to message #424504] Fri, 02 April 2010 20:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Is it abuse if you do not punish the child at all?
Ex: the kid punches a parent in the face and the parent does absolutely nothing for punishment
i have heard this being called abuse to the child


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Zeratul wrote on Fri, 02 April 2010 21:44

Is it abuse if you do not punish the child at all?
Ex: the kid punches a parent in the face and the parent does absolutely nothing for punishment
i have heard this being called abuse to the child

That's not abuse, that's just called bad parenting (and also being a pussy)


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Re: Punishing a Child [message #424513 is a reply to message #424504] Sat, 03 April 2010 00:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 02 April 2010 21:39

When someone isn't really doing anything wrong and you're punishing them just cuz you're pissed off, then that's when it's abuse.


So if you smack a kid over the head with baseball bat because he did something wrong, thats not abuse.

But if you happen to feel like some batting practice but ran out of balls; and use the childs head as one, it is?

Ah, so this must mean abuse lies within the reason for hitting the child, not the excessive force used to discipline them.

I see, i see.




Re: Punishing a Child [message #424543 is a reply to message #424513] Sat, 03 April 2010 09:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 01:55

GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 02 April 2010 21:39

When someone isn't really doing anything wrong and you're punishing them just cuz you're pissed off, then that's when it's abuse.


So if you smack a kid over the head with baseball bat because he did something wrong, thats not abuse.

But if you happen to feel like some batting practice but ran out of balls; and use the childs head as one, it is?

Ah, so this must mean abuse lies within the reason for hitting the child, not the excessive force used to discipline them.

I see, i see.






obviously there's such a thing as excess force, but I figured people were smart enough to know that hitting someone with a baseball bat is going overboard.

shit like spanking, grounding, taking away certain things (nothing that would make them unable to live, obviously) and etc are ways to punish a child. baseball bat to the head is retarded, but I guess common sense isn't people's strongpoints.


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Re: Punishing a Child [message #424544 is a reply to message #424543] Sat, 03 April 2010 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 10:42


shit like spanking are ways to punish a child.


So thats why I'm such a troll, because my children never spanked me. what where they thinking Sad

Re: Punishing a Child [message #424545 is a reply to message #424502] Sat, 03 April 2010 09:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Zeratul wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 04:57

When in your opinion does it become abuse?

This came across my mind earlier today when my grandmother was yelling at my four year old cousin for throwing a fit... during this she spanks him and says "Now you have a reason to cry, now stop crying or ill do it again" at this moment i commented that that was abuse if she does it again and then she flipped out on me and starts chewing me out... then my grandfather joins against her and you can imagine how this continues....

So, when does punishment become abuse?


It's just backwards Texans being backward Texans. Instead of beating your fucking children why don't you teach and explain things to them.
Re: Punishing a Child [message #424546 is a reply to message #424502] Sat, 03 April 2010 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Zeratul wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 03:57

When in your opinion does it become abuse?

This came across my mind earlier today when my grandmother was yelling at my four year old cousin for throwing a fit... during this she spanks him and says "Now you have a reason to cry, now stop crying or ill do it again" at this moment i commented that that was abuse if she does it again and then she flipped out on me and starts chewing me out... then my grandfather joins against her and you can imagine how this continues....

So, when does punishment become abuse?

I thought punishment became an abuse where the grandmother does the same punishment til he stops crying.
Obviously its natural to throw in a fit, but if i did that to my cousin i send in to the Time out room.... Wink Im against hitting children or adults in anyway.

I thought the british law said If you harm your children you get done for it.


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Re: Punishing a Child [message #424547 is a reply to message #424544] Sat, 03 April 2010 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 10:45


So thats why I'm such a troll, because my children never spanked me. what where they thinking Sad


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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 11:23

Ziggy Sobotka wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 10:45


So thats why I'm such a troll, because my children never spanked me. what where they thinking Sad


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the acceptance of spanking I can find in online debates just strikes me as weird.
Re: Punishing a Child [message #424551 is a reply to message #424548] Sat, 03 April 2010 11:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I believe in discipline when needed, but it all depends on the child. If the child reacts and listens when you spank them, and they deserve it....i don't see why not. If a child is doing something stupid like endangering his life, and not learning not to do it, they deserved to be disciplined. I wouldn't just tell my child "no" if he went and played in the road after i told him not to. It's deserving in many cases, but also not in many others. Hitting a child for little things really makes the child start to not care about getting hit again, it's the fear of getting hit that they should learn from, not the hitting itself.

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HaTe wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 12:38

I believe in discipline when needed, but it all depends on the child. If the child reacts and listens when you spank them, and they deserve it....i don't see why not. If a child is doing something stupid like endangering his life, and not learning not to do it, they deserved to be disciplined. I wouldn't just tell my child "no" if he went and played in the road after i told him not to. It's deserving in many cases, but also not in many others. Hitting a child for little things really makes the child start to not care about getting hit again, it's the fear of getting hit that they should learn from, not the hitting itself.

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Re: Punishing a Child [message #424562 is a reply to message #424551] Sat, 03 April 2010 15:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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IF you spank a child (i do believe in doing this) explain why you did it to the child (no smartass age related remarks)and make sure it's hard enough for them to know it happened BUT not hard enough to bruise them
BUT

IF it is something SIMPLE that does NOT deserve a spanking (Ex: they don't clean their room) then simply send them to timeout IMO spanking your child for EVERY little thing is just retarded.


Re: Punishing a Child [message #424577 is a reply to message #424543] Sat, 03 April 2010 17:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 10:42

snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 01:55

GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 02 April 2010 21:39

When someone isn't really doing anything wrong and you're punishing them just cuz you're pissed off, then that's when it's abuse.


So if you smack a kid over the head with baseball bat because he did something wrong, thats not abuse.

But if you happen to feel like some batting practice but ran out of balls; and use the childs head as one, it is?

Ah, so this must mean abuse lies within the reason for hitting the child, not the excessive force used to discipline them.

I see, i see.






obviously there's such a thing as excess force, but I figured people were smart enough to know that hitting someone with a baseball bat is going overboard.

shit like spanking, grounding, taking away certain things (nothing that would make them unable to live, obviously) and etc are ways to punish a child. baseball bat to the head is retarded, but I guess common sense isn't people's strongpoints.


I take the internet seriously, please forgive my lack of common sense and intelligence.

on a more serious note, I generally agree with everyone. I remember stories told to me by my grandparents and parents about how they used to get the cane (hit with a big stick) at school; and on a whole, the older generations seem to be more polite then we are.

But to assume that heavier discipline alone was the only factor contributing to making someone more polite / disciplined would be silly. Obviously things have changed since then.




Re: Punishing a Child [message #424579 is a reply to message #424502] Sat, 03 April 2010 17:40 Go to previous message
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Make a thread about child abuse on Renegade Forums.

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