| Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417569] |
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yesterday was a day that was, all things considered, so bad that i'm currently writing a song about it.
i was at my parents' house for dinner, watched the news. we were talking about haiti. towards the end i said - as an aside - that what always sickens me is that every time some huge catastrophe (or atrocity) happens, there's always some religious lunatic presuming to know why it happened, i.e. it was god's punishment for something. we heard it after 9/11, the boxing day tsunami, even the floods in the UK the other year.
he made the claim that the haiti people made a deal with the devil to help them overthrow french colonial rule, and as a consequence... haiti's sad history (he's presumably talking not just about the earthquake but also its dictators, some of them theocratic)
well, haiti did indeed get free of french rule, round about the same period in history america got free of british rule (incidentally, i put myself firmly in america's camp in that one, since i don't see it as america vs britain so much as secular democracy vs christian theocracy). perhaps he's not so happy to see democratic movements free themselves from christian tyrannies as an american probably ought to be. but aside from that, just how morally bankrupt do you have to be to say this sort of thing at all? it's unbelievably arrogant to claim you understand "god"'s mind at all, not to mention fantastically evil to blame the victims of a distaster like this.
but hey, let's assume the great-great-great-grandparents of haiti really did make a deal with the devil. what better way to punish them than by smiting their innocent descendants? of course, the punishment of innocent people for someone else's crime is not exactly un-christian...
but hey, he's probably rich enough to buy the entire island anyway.
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417584 is a reply to message #417569] |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 02:50 |
yesterday was a day that was, all things considered, so bad that i'm currently writing a song about it.
i was at my parents' house for dinner, watched the news. we were talking about haiti. towards the end i said - as an aside - that what always sickens me is that every time some huge catastrophe (or atrocity) happens, there's always some religious lunatic presuming to know why it happened, i.e. it was god's punishment for something. we heard it after 9/11, the boxing day tsunami, even the floods in the UK the other year.
he made the claim that the haiti people made a deal with the devil to help them overthrow french colonial rule, and as a consequence... haiti's sad history (he's presumably talking not just about the earthquake but also its dictators, some of them theocratic)
well, haiti did indeed get free of french rule, round about the same period in history america got free of british rule (incidentally, i put myself firmly in america's camp in that one, since i don't see it as america vs britain so much as secular democracy vs christian theocracy). perhaps he's not so happy to see democratic movements free themselves from christian tyrannies as an american probably ought to be. but aside from that, just how morally bankrupt do you have to be to say this sort of thing at all? it's unbelievably arrogant to claim you understand "god"'s mind at all, not to mention fantastically evil to blame the victims of a distaster like this.
but hey, let's assume the great-great-great-grandparents of haiti really did make a deal with the devil. what better way to punish them than by smiting their innocent descendants? of course, the punishment of innocent people for someone else's crime is not exactly un-christian...
but hey, he's probably rich enough to buy the entire island anyway.
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For love of god, im christian but i dont go that far, it was a natural disaster, thats all.
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417596 is a reply to message #417584] |
Thu, 14 January 2010 13:33 |
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three more things.
firstly, i've just checked the dates... it seems the haiti revolution was just after the french revolution, meaning france was no longer a christian dictatorship (the revolution quickly went wrong, though, of course) and indeed had just executed its christian leaders at the time.
so, my first question for pat is: which of these two revolutions did you think was better:
1. a successful slave revolt that kicked out an "atheistic" dictatorship that itself had just executed its christian leaders
2. a struggle of secular democracy to kick out a christian theocracy
in my case i'd be on the side of the haitis in number 1 and the americans in number 2, but i guess a lunatic christian like pat would think differently.
my second question relates to his actual quote.
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And you know Christy, something happened a long time ago in Haiti and people might not want to talk about it. They were under the heel of the French, uh you know Napoleon the third and whatever. And they got together and swore a pact to the devil. They said we will serve you if you'll get us free from the French. True Story, and so the Devil said OK it's a deal. And they kicked the French out. You know, the Haitians revolted and got themselves free. But ever since they've been cursed by one thing after the other desperately poor. That island is Hispaniola is one island. It's cut down the middle. On one side is Haiti on the other side is the Dominican republic. Dominican Republic is prosperous, healthy, full of resorts, etc.. Haiti is in desperate poverty. Same island.
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we'll leave aside the fact he got the wrong napoleon and he was probably wrong about the deal with the devil too, but let's assume the devil deal was actually true.
haiti was cursed, pat? well, what exactly are you saying here? the earthquake was caused by the devil? or was it caused by god as rather belated revenge on the innocent descendants of those who made the deal? or perhaps simply caused by plate tectonics and not stopped by god when perhaps he might have otherwise chosen to spare the people?
and when you've told me which of those three things you're actually saying, my third question is "how the fucking hell do you know that?" or, let me rephrase the question if it's too antagonistic... "why the fucking hell do you think that?"
(i ask that every time i hear theological drivel, by the way)
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417630 is a reply to message #417569] |
Thu, 14 January 2010 18:24 |
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There's a special place in Hell reserved for religious nuts, and profiteering preachers like Pat.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417638 is a reply to message #417569] |
Thu, 14 January 2010 20:17 |
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You know, if you're a religious nut, whatever. But aren't they going to burn in hell forever, according to you? Can't you not be a dick in life?
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417670 is a reply to message #417666] |
Fri, 15 January 2010 12:43 |
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so some points/questions:
-so it took Pat Robertson's god 206 years to decide to finally punish current Haitians for the alleged "sins" of their ancestors? With a earthquake?
-who cares what supernatural entity the Haitians in 1804 worshipped to motivate themselves to gain independence from the French? Does it make any difference?
-what sin were the people of San Francisco punished for with the 1906 quake?
-doesn't robertson's comments automatically imply that EVERY natural disaster was an act of god to punish people?
Maybe Pat should read this short French article:
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2010/0114/Pat-Robertson-Haiti-comments-Fre nch-view-theory-with-disbelief
Its simply these guys don't think rationally. They are history-deniers and crave the power and attention their religion has given them.
We need to be able to challenge these nutjobs in open debate. As long as they are red-carpet invited into a TV studio for their 5 min slot, they can get away unchallenged with their delusional immoral bullshit.
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417771 is a reply to message #417569] |
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| Spoony wrote on Thu, 14 January 2010 04:50 |
just how morally bankrupt do you have to be to say this sort of thing at all? it's unbelievably arrogant to claim you understand "god"'s mind at all
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Typically all religous nutjob extremists are heavily arrogant. Also usually deny even the possibility of listening to a person with different beliefs. They deny simple scientific logic and are typically hypocrits on the deep end by the way they behave and act.
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417792 is a reply to message #417670] |
Sat, 16 January 2010 13:33 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 13:43 |
-what sin were the people of San Francisco punished for with the 1906 quake?
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well duhhh, they were punished for the fact that a hundred years later the city would eventually become a centre of homosexual culture.
see how easy it is to come up with this crap?
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417814 is a reply to message #417792] |
Sat, 16 January 2010 17:06 |
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| Spoony wrote on Sat, 16 January 2010 14:33 |
| Starbuzzz wrote on Fri, 15 January 2010 13:43 |
-what sin were the people of San Francisco punished for with the 1906 quake?
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well duhhh, they were punished for the fact that a hundred years later the city would eventually become a centre of homosexual culture.
see how easy it is to come up with this crap?
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don't forget that there was a murder at one point in California
obviously they were punished for this, too
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #417980 is a reply to message #417814] |
Mon, 18 January 2010 21:48 |
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All these religious leaders...the so called high and mighty "pastor" for example are all delusional. I mean this as no insult.
They pray to themselves convinced that their deity hears the prays and actually listens. And regardless of what you tell them, you are wrong and they are always right. The moment you object:
-you are fallen to the ways of the world (its always them vs the world)
-you have abandoned god (they say this with a deep voice)
None of your reasoning and no matter how simple the logic, these delusional folks will come at you. Like a less intelligent animal that always does the same routine everday over and over, these respected and mighty "Reverends" will repeat what they have been brought up to do since childhood.
Why am I saying this? Funny damn thing happened 2 sundays ago. I was pressured by my family to attend church. So I reluctantly agreed. This was a church I had been dragged to since 1999. I hadn't gone there for a year or two. The old pastor (whom I knew very well) had retired and a new had been brought on as a replacement.
This guy had been at it for 2 years already. So when I first met him and introduced myself, he seemed a bit impressed. He asked me a couple questions and due to my quick talking style and insane abilty to make up bullshit on the fly, I spoke on. Perhaps I overdid it lol.
He then told me how he had been "praying" (talking to himself) to god to "send him a young man" who "I can train to carry out the gospel." He added that "I can see the Holy Spirit in you...I think you have a calling!" and that "God is telling me in my heart that you are that young man."
OK now by this time, I am like "shhhhhhhhhhhhhit."
Anyway, so all the while he was telling me this, I am wondering first if his god really exists? If so, then is he really talking to him and answering the prayers? And why choose me? I would think his god would choose someone who actually believes in him...not someone who is atheist and hates this talk!
But you see, religious folks fall for this everytime since they too have been talking to themsel...err god. I am quiet sure that if this incident had happened 3 years ago, then yeah I would be that young man.
Now just imagine how much misplaced power these pastors have. Billions of chuch buildings that take in billions of dollars across the world on sundays while misleading billions of people. All of them are like this pastor whom I just described; delusional.
Some of the most desperate tactics are used by these men to keep the people under control. I just witnessed the classic blackmail through death threat that is repeated everytime boldy after the end of sermons in the 21st century: "come to jesus, give your life to him now...so if you die on the way home, you know where you are going!"
wow
How delusional then for someone like Robertson to say these things. Worse part is they actually believe it.
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| Re: Pat Robertson and his ilk [message #418040 is a reply to message #417569] |
Tue, 19 January 2010 21:22 |
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Basically, any single person that puts themselves out in the open with publicity these days in the name of "God"... is full of shit and obviously not a reliable source/medium for God.
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