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| Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414275] |
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| Global Warming: Real or Fraud?[ 41 votes ] |
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It's a scam |
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It's real |
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I don't know |
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Recently there was a bunch of emails leaked from a leading global research center on climate change which proves Global Warming is scam and that the data has been manipulated but it's been covered up and ignored in Copenhagen ATM that's scattered with lies and propaganda...
Do you think you've seen enough to think Global Warming really exists? Or do you think it's a scam?
THANK YOU!
EDIT: Now you can vote safely!
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414279 is a reply to message #414275] |
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Can't we just skip to the part where we spam PLECOS?
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414286 is a reply to message #414282] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 02:11 |
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Global Warming imo is real, I don't think the planet is getting hotter tho, I think its getting colder lol 
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414342 is a reply to message #414335] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 14:54 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:34 |
It's retarded saying that it doesn't exist.
I don't need proof to know it exists or not. It's just how the Earth works. It's natural. The planet is supposed to warm up.
Saying it's a scam is like saying the sun doesn't exist.
We've had ice ages. It warmed up. Then we had another ice age. Then it warmed up again. It's just the cycle of our planet.
Global warming DOES exist, but it's not because of humans, it's because it's SUPPOSED to exist.
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This.
Yeah, we speed it up a little, and that's bad, but shit would happen anyways. The only way, at this point, to stop that would either be A: Tear down every single factory and remake them into eco-friendly factories ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE (Not just America, China and many other countries would have to support this... good luck getting every single country to agree on this), or B: Let it happen anyways, and find ways for our species to survive it without spending billions- no, TRILLIONS- of dollars attempting to hold off the inevitable.
I'm gonna go with B.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414345 is a reply to message #414342] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 15:08 |
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Yeah, we speed it up a little, and that's bad, but shit would happen anyways.
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Sigh... http://www.skepticalscience.com/argument.php
Choose whatever you feel represents your quote argument quote most and then shut the fuck up.
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The only way, at this point, to stop that would either be A: Tear down every single factory and remake them into eco-friendly factories ALL ACROSS THE GLOBE (Not just America, China and many other countries would have to support this... good luck getting every single country to agree on this), or B: Let it happen anyways, and find ways for our species to survive it without spending billions- no, TRILLIONS- of dollars attempting to hold off the inevitable.
I'm gonna go with B.
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BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. Damn, if only we could explain the planet we're in a financial crisis and cant afford to save it right now and could it please come back with this global warming a few decades later..
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414356 is a reply to message #414275] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 15:40 |
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Scam
Though I'm in full support of global warming. Living in a snowy, cold ass state I say warm this place up!
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414383 is a reply to message #414275] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 20:39 |
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Well first off, the hockey stick graph is seriously flawed, and here's why:
The first nine centuries of the millennium were measured by using tree-ring cycles, yet the modern era is represented by temperatures. Why on Earth are they using two totally different measurements in the same graph?
If this were a math question, there'd be a big red 'X' because it wasn't calculated properly. Any scientist knows that you need to maintain the same measurements throughout an experiment. Why is it that this graph hasn't been held to the same standards of a Grade 11 Chemistry experiment? Why didn't they stick with tree rings for the twentieth century, hmm?
I'll tell you why: the tree rings after the 1960's actually show a decline in temperature. This is the same decline that Phil Jones, one of the men who are implicated with the leaked emails had tried to hide. Had this data been included, then it'd actually show that the Medieval Ages had experience a warm period, warmer than today, actually. Of course, a Mr. Steve McIntyre proved to the world that the 'hockey stick' is a fallacy.
Still, the Climatic Research Unit have pressed on with this now discredited graph, and had once again tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. They revised the hockey stick graph to now match tree rings for this century, and the results were relatively consistent with their first flawed graph. Unfortunately, it only took a little bit of snooping to realize that the CRU was once again tampering with science, by 'cherry picking' one tree in Siberia whose rings were consistent with the data that the CRU wanted.
I'm no scientist, but in all my biology labs, we have a thing called 'replication' . We're taught that hypotheses, in order to be true, must be replicated successfully time and time again. One tree is NOT replication. These scientists are ignoring their own scientific process. But I guess adhering to scientific process must make me a 'denier,' which brings me to my next point:
What's with all the hate from people towards us so-called 'deniers?' It's like there's a 'Church of Climate Science' now, where the 'believers' will persecute people who think another way. I make a point to call people who suck down all this climate 'science' members of this church, and they get super angry. You should try it; usually they're atheists, so it's fun times.
Here's my biggest beef with the whole situation. Surth keeps linking to this site 'Skeptical Science' which has stock answers for 'climate skeptics' ...
...Aren't scientists supposed to be skeptics? That's the whole point of science, there's always an air of skepticism, which is why the scientific process exists. That's why everything is a theory: the 'theory of evolution,' 'the theory of magnetism,' 'the theory of relativity' to name just a few. All of them are very rock solid with mountains of evidence, and can be tested, and replicated, and yet are called theories because there's a chance that they may yet be unproven - that's skepticism.
However, call 'Global Warming' a theory, and oh God, you better get an umbrella and a beer because you'll be sitting through a spit shower about how you're some sort of fossil/dinosaur. This is despite that the hockey stick graph that people bring up is still inherently flawed, and hasn't really been replicated effectively. Any attempts to access the raw data from the CRU has been denied by the CRU, and worse... DELETED!!! Oh gee! The data isn't there, but let's still totally accept that the idea is true and spend billions of dollars on it anyways!
I'll bet you ten dollars that if you were to have an argument with a warming 'believer' and told them the evidence isn't there nor is it complete, they'd likely pull out the ol' spiel used by those who believe that there's an old dude who lives in clouds and employs people with wings in their backs. However, bring up Evolution, and say it's a lie, and that very same person will point to the mountain of evidence in support of it. Call them on this, and you'll get an awesome reaction. You ever see a person almost melt their face off from a mixture of embarrassment and rage? I have. It's fun. Do it in university or college for even better results.
Finally, let's go right to irony of of Copenhagen:
1,200 limousines
140 private jets flying VIP's in and out of town
A menu that includes: Jumbo Shrimp from the Indian Ocean, Norwegian Salmon, fruits and veggies from Africa, South America and Southern Europe.
All of this is flown in daily to ensure freshness.
The columnist George Will estimates that this conference will add 41,000 tonnes of CO2 to the air. That's the only thing that's going to come from this conference: a ton of useless hot air, with politicos getting fat on our dollar. If they really cared (aka, KNEW global warming was actually true) they would've found a way to telecommute, or lessen the impact.
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414395 is a reply to message #414275] |
Thu, 17 December 2009 23:38 |
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It may be real. The cause of it no one knows for sure. That's really all there is to it. We haven't got enough information to conclude that we are impacting it completely or not affecting it, whether it exists. So many factors can play into it, so really it's from what I can it's just another way for some people to get rich.
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414423 is a reply to message #414383] |
Fri, 18 December 2009 06:36 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 17 December 2009 21:39 |
Well first off, the hockey stick graph is seriously flawed, and here's why:
The first nine centuries of the millennium were measured by using tree-ring cycles, yet the modern era is represented by temperatures. Why on Earth are they using two totally different measurements in the same graph?
If this were a math question, there'd be a big red 'X' because it wasn't calculated properly. Any scientist knows that you need to maintain the same measurements throughout an experiment. Why is it that this graph hasn't been held to the same standards of a Grade 11 Chemistry experiment? Why didn't they stick with tree rings for the twentieth century, hmm?
I'll tell you why: the tree rings after the 1960's actually show a decline in temperature. This is the same decline that Phil Jones, one of the men who are implicated with the leaked emails had tried to hide. Had this data been included, then it'd actually show that the Medieval Ages had experience a warm period, warmer than today, actually. Of course, a Mr. Steve McIntyre proved to the world that the 'hockey stick' is a fallacy.
Still, the Climatic Research Unit have pressed on with this now discredited graph, and had once again tried to pull the wool over everyone's eyes. They revised the hockey stick graph to now match tree rings for this century, and the results were relatively consistent with their first flawed graph. Unfortunately, it only took a little bit of snooping to realize that the CRU was once again tampering with science, by 'cherry picking' one tree in Siberia whose rings were consistent with the data that the CRU wanted.
I'm no scientist, but in all my biology labs, we have a thing called 'replication' . We're taught that hypotheses, in order to be true, must be replicated successfully time and time again. One tree is NOT replication. These scientists are ignoring their own scientific process. But I guess adhering to scientific process must make me a 'denier,' which brings me to my next point:
What's with all the hate from people towards us so-called 'deniers?' It's like there's a 'Church of Climate Science' now, where the 'believers' will persecute people who think another way. I make a point to call people who suck down all this climate 'science' members of this church, and they get super angry. You should try it; usually they're atheists, so it's fun times.
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Great thing this site i keep linking to has this explained TOO! how awesome is that!
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Hockey-stick-without-tree-rings.html
http://www.skepticalscience.com/broken-hockey-stick.htm
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Here's my biggest beef with the whole situation. Surth keeps linking to this site 'Skeptical Science' which has stock answers for 'climate skeptics' ...
...Aren't scientists supposed to be skeptics? That's the whole point of science, there's always an air of skepticism, which is why the scientific process exists. That's why everything is a theory: the 'theory of evolution,' 'the theory of magnetism,' 'the theory of relativity' to name just a few. All of them are very rock solid with mountains of evidence, and can be tested, and replicated, and yet are called theories because there's a chance that they may yet be unproven - that's skepticism.
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you may want to check up on the difference between a scientific theory and a non-scientific one.
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I'll bet you ten dollars that if you were to have an argument with a warming 'believer' and told them the evidence isn't there nor is it complete, they'd likely pull out the ol' spiel used by those who believe that there's an old dude who lives in clouds and employs people with wings in their backs. However, bring up Evolution, and say it's a lie, and that very same person will point to the mountain of evidence in support of it. Call them on this, and you'll get an awesome reaction. You ever see a person almost melt their face off from a mixture of embarrassment and rage? I have. It's fun. Do it in university or college for even better results.
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In other news, this anecdotal story here totally unproves global warming!
Guess what, a lot of people are dumb. some people believing in global warming are incidentally dumb too.
Some people who believe in gravity are dumb too, but that doesnt change anything about the theory itself.
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Finally, let's go right to irony of of Copenhagen:
1,200 limousines
140 private jets flying VIP's in and out of town
A menu that includes: Jumbo Shrimp from the Indian Ocean, Norwegian Salmon, fruits and veggies from Africa, South America and Southern Europe.
All of this is flown in daily to ensure freshness.
The columnist George Will estimates that this conference will add 41,000 tonnes of CO2 to the air. That's the only thing that's going to come from this conference: a ton of useless hot air, with politicos getting fat on our dollar. If they really cared (aka, KNEW global warming was actually true) they would've found a way to telecommute, or lessen the impact.
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Agreed for most parts. however, a lot of them actually know global warming is true, they just dont care. I wonder if that is because most politicians are ald and thus can afford to not care about the future...
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414574 is a reply to message #414573] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 17:49 |
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| Chew wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:45 |
Well of course the northern part of the world are not gonna instantly turn into tropical vacation destinations... Here in Missouri though there has been an obvious change in climate and weather.
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Also, the sun is entering it's high-activity cycle so it's probably not because of humans. That's what this documentary was talking about, so don't take what I said necessarily as fact.
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| Re: Global Warming: Real or Fraud [message #414578 is a reply to message #414526] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 18:35 |
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 12:37 |
Bottom line:
It's true. It's not our fault. It's going to happen. Get over it.
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wow, sure, JUST IGNORE ALL THE EVIDENCE THAT ITS ANTHROPOLOGICAL. you stupid fuckface.
| luv2pb wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:02 |
It snowed during the global warming talks.
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ITS SNOWING? IN DECEMBER? IN COPENHAGEN? HOLY COW YOUVE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME CALL AL GORE HE WAS WRONG ALL THESE YEARS. asshat.
| Glock~ wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:41 |
It's cold as shit in North Dakota right now. Global Warming must be real..
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same goes for you.
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| Chew wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:45 |
Well of course the northern part of the world are not gonna instantly turn into tropical vacation destinations... Here in Missouri though there has been an obvious change in climate and weather.
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Also, the sun is entering it's high-activity cycle so it's probably not because of humans. That's what this documentary was talking about, so don't take what I said necessarily as fact.
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so the fact that the sun enters its high-activity cycle right now (which it isnt) explains the temperature increase of the last decades retroactively! how neat!
do you even use your brain?
deactivate rage mode.
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