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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #393555 is a reply to message #393364] |
Thu, 02 July 2009 13:44   |
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| Ryan3k wrote on Wed, 01 July 2009 13:30 |
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"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #401544 is a reply to message #400554] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 14:36 |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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| T0RN wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 07:10 |
Michael Jackson was a distured plastic pedophile,why do people care that a shit stain like that died?
I'm just glad he cant abuse anymore boys and fuck thier heads and bodies up.
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I don't know if you're trolling or not, but here's a few facts either way.
First of all, it was never proven Michael Jackson had molested children. So even if he WAS a pedophile, he certainly didn't molest them. And you KNOW how the public can be, if they could find ANY sort of evidence saying he even touched them inappropriately, they'd be all over him and he'd be in jail. But they didn't, really.
Secondly, they even tested him with some of the top people (Can't remember who exactly right now) to see if he even showed any signs of being a pedophile. He wasn't even close to being one.
Thirdly, as for the "plastic" thing, he sorta HAD to get plastic surgery after that accident (his head being on fire and such, look it up). The various other physical deformities he suffered were a direct or indirect result of him having lupus (yes Dr. House, it IS lupus), vitiligo (Skin disease that makes it lose all pigmentation, hence him being white and frail looking), becoming addicted to painkillers and various other pills (you would too if you suffered third degree burns like he did, not to mention the constant mental abuse from nearly everyone in the world), and his father abusing him as a kid (You'd be surprised how this has an effect).
The guy had it pretty tough. Sure, he was no saint, and certainly was a bit fucked up in the head- but any normal person in his circumstances would have commited suicide or become a whole lot worse, if not clinically and every other form of insane.
Let's also go back to the fact that his father DID abuse him- this can have very long lasting, if not permanent, mental damage to someone. Out of his family, he looked almost nothing like them- he was very feminine for being black, and this was pretty looked down upon. Especially at the time.
But he didn't complain. He just sucked it up for the most part, and tried to do something awesome. He made some awesome music, practically re-invented dancing, gave millions to charity, inspired MANY, MANY artists, and apparently, was an amazing father to his children.
So before running your mouth about shit you have no fucking clue about, get your facts straight, then shut the fuck up.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #401563 is a reply to message #401544] |
Fri, 04 September 2009 18:21 |
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| GEORGE ZIMMER wrote on Fri, 04 September 2009 16:36 |
| T0RN wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 07:10 |
Michael Jackson was a distured plastic pedophile,why do people care that a shit stain like that died?
I'm just glad he cant abuse anymore boys and fuck thier heads and bodies up.
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I don't know if you're trolling or not, but here's a few facts either way.
First of all, it was never proven Michael Jackson had molested children. So even if he WAS a pedophile, he certainly didn't molest them. And you KNOW how the public can be, if they could find ANY sort of evidence saying he even touched them inappropriately, they'd be all over him and he'd be in jail. But they didn't, really.
Secondly, they even tested him with some of the top people (Can't remember who exactly right now) to see if he even showed any signs of being a pedophile. He wasn't even close to being one.
Thirdly, as for the "plastic" thing, he sorta HAD to get plastic surgery after that accident (his head being on fire and such, look it up). The various other physical deformities he suffered were a direct or indirect result of him having lupus (yes Dr. House, it IS lupus), vitiligo (Skin disease that makes it lose all pigmentation, hence him being white and frail looking), becoming addicted to painkillers and various other pills (you would too if you suffered third degree burns like he did, not to mention the constant mental abuse from nearly everyone in the world), and his father abusing him as a kid (You'd be surprised how this has an effect).
The guy had it pretty tough. Sure, he was no saint, and certainly was a bit fucked up in the head- but any normal person in his circumstances would have commited suicide or become a whole lot worse, if not clinically and every other form of insane.
Let's also go back to the fact that his father DID abuse him- this can have very long lasting, if not permanent, mental damage to someone. Out of his family, he looked almost nothing like them- he was very feminine for being black, and this was pretty looked down upon. Especially at the time.
But he didn't complain. He just sucked it up for the most part, and tried to do something awesome. He made some awesome music, practically re-invented dancing, gave millions to charity, inspired MANY, MANY artists, and apparently, was an amazing father to his children.
So before running your mouth about shit you have no fucking clue about, get your facts straight, then shut the fuck up.
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| T0RN wrote on Sat, 29 August 2009 07:10 |
Michael Jackson was a distured plastic pedophile,why do people care that a shit stain like that died?
I'm just glad he cant abuse anymore boys and fuck thier heads and bodies up.
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #402110 is a reply to message #402084] |
Tue, 08 September 2009 12:25 |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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| T0RN wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 10:38 |
Thanks,I was looking for that hat.
Sorry but he's still a guilty pos.
I can play post a link too,but it dosen't mean anything.
Did you see the interview where that boy was holding hands with him and putting his head on MJs shoulder?Saying they loved each other and nothing wrong with that?
Sick shit.
You probably believe OJ was innocent too. LOL
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Yeah, because clearly, fathers are supposed to beat their kids senseless and shouldn't show them ANY compassion, so it's outright forbidden for any man to care for children- whether they be directly his or not.
And OJ is a different story.
Also, how's he guilty? He was never proven guilty, all the "evidence" is made up by people why simply wanted him for his money, and so on.
Toggle Spoiler| Scrin wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 13:22 |
| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #402134 is a reply to message #402084] |
Tue, 08 September 2009 15:48 |
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| T0RN wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 11:38 |
Thanks,I was looking for that hat.
Sorry but he's still a guilty pos.
I can play post a link too,but it dosen't mean anything.
Did you see the interview where that boy was holding hands with him and putting his head on MJs shoulder?Saying they loved each other and nothing wrong with that?
Sick shit.
You probably believe OJ was innocent too. LOL
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Posting a link means a lot when it contains facts you dipshit, and the facts in this case are he was acquitted and is innocent of the charges. Move on with your life.
Durrp hurr de duurrrrf I bet you think the moon landings were fake also. LOL
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #402216 is a reply to message #402134] |
Wed, 09 September 2009 07:43 |
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T0RN
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| u6795 wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 18:48 |
| T0RN wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 11:38 |
Thanks,I was looking for that hat.
Sorry but he's still a guilty pos.
I can play post a link too,but it dosen't mean anything.
Did you see the interview where that boy was holding hands with him and putting his head on MJs shoulder?Saying they loved each other and nothing wrong with that?
Sick shit.
You probably believe OJ was innocent too. LOL
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Posting a link means a lot when it contains facts you dipshit, and the facts in this case are he was acquitted and is innocent of the charges. Move on with your life.
Durrp hurr de duurrrrf I bet you think the moon landings were fake also. LOL
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Just because he was found not guilty dosen't mean he's not guilty.If you're so smart,then you should know our court system fails. ALOT
durrrr durrrrrr
Believe everything you read and take it as fact?
P.S.
I like how all you "smart" and "well informed" people go straight to the name calling.
Dosen't make you look good.
And you can shove whatever "facts" and the not guilty shit in my face all you want.
He was a sick fuck,and for some reason you fags want to stick up for him.
And saying OJ is a different story.How so?
He was a guilty prick and found not guilty just like MJ.
Also,you CAN love a child,but the way he acted with kids just didn't seem right.And stop trying to be funny with your extreme bullshit about beating kids.
Get a real argument.
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #402225 is a reply to message #402216] |
Wed, 09 September 2009 09:21 |
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| T0RN wrote on Wed, 09 September 2009 09:43 |
Believe everything you read and take it as fact?
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Unfortunately in these modern times T0RN, you are considered a lunatic if you don't base your opinions on the crap that shits out the TV right into the brain.
edit: OJ case was a big foulup for sure.
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| Re: Is it really Michael Jackson? [message #402242 is a reply to message #402216] |
Wed, 09 September 2009 12:05 |
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| T0RN wrote on Wed, 09 September 2009 10:43 |
| u6795 wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 18:48 |
| T0RN wrote on Tue, 08 September 2009 11:38 |
Thanks,I was looking for that hat.
Sorry but he's still a guilty pos.
I can play post a link too,but it dosen't mean anything.
Did you see the interview where that boy was holding hands with him and putting his head on MJs shoulder?Saying they loved each other and nothing wrong with that?
Sick shit.
You probably believe OJ was innocent too. LOL
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Posting a link means a lot when it contains facts you dipshit, and the facts in this case are he was acquitted and is innocent of the charges. Move on with your life.
Durrp hurr de duurrrrf I bet you think the moon landings were fake also. LOL
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Just because he was found not guilty dosen't mean he's not guilty.If you're so smart,then you should know our court system fails. ALOT
durrrr durrrrrr
Believe everything you read and take it as fact?
No, but of course, because it's your personal opinion, that means the courts in this case were wrong? Right.
The court does fuck up quite a bit, but in a high profile case such as Michael Goddamn Jackson, the guy who sold the best selling album in world history, do you really think anyone would have let it slide if he faked his way out or in some way WAS guilty?
What's with the insecurity about intelligence, by the way? I never touted myself as smarter than you, but twice in this thread you've made references to Cabal & I as well informed. Thanks?
P.S.
I like how all you "smart" and "well informed" people go straight to the name calling.
Dosen't make you look good.
And you can shove whatever "facts" and the not guilty shit in my face all you want.
He was a sick fuck,and for some reason you fags want to stick up for him.
What you're saying here is that "I believe something is true, therefore it must be true and everyone else is wrong." My bullshit detector is going wild.
P.S. You got to the name calling before I entered this thread. I understand Cabal told you to shut the fuck up, but I wasn't involved in that. Don't try and turn it on me.
And saying OJ is a different story.How so?
He was a guilty prick and found not guilty just like MJ.
OJ was obviously guilty, but the reason he wasn't convicted was because of the racial tensions that were created. MJ's case had NOTHING to do with race. He was never convicted because the overwhelming evidence is he was innocent.
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And fucking lol @pawky. TIN FOIL HATS & GUVMINT CONSPIRACY!!! MEDIA IS LIES!
Durr. You need to learn to take what the media says with a grain of salt regardless becuase everyone has a tendency to sensationalize the news. That doesn't mean you're a mindless drone for paying attention to it.
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