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I'm not entirely sure what's gone on, nor do i care.
But reading through this thread, the most pathetic thing i can see is Crimson (and anyone else that's said it as a way of demeaning exodus) saying 'faildus' instead of 'exodus'.
It's damn right childish.
I mean, why do you have a problem with saying 'exodus'?
What would you do if they started calling your server 'fail stories' (which actually makes more sense than simply changing the exo of exodus to fail)?
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In fact, this thread shows exactly what will kill renegade, and that's communities competing for players instead of working together.
As an ideal game, there would be servers of different types only, and then more servers coming along when the player count in that type is constantly too high.
If communities are constantly splitting renegade will only die.
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| Re: off topic [message #398395 is a reply to message #398393] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 09:30 |
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| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:22 |
In fact, this thread shows exactly what will kill renegade, and that's communities competing for players instead of working together.
As an ideal game, there would be servers of different types only, and then more servers coming along when the player count in that type is constantly too high.
If communities are constantly splitting renegade will only die.
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You are exactly right. There is no need for any new servers and definitely no need to try and split a community up. Faildus' only real achievement was to bring Renegade closer to the death we don't want it to reach.
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| Re: off topic [message #398398 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 09:50 |
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most people almost always order it by the server nickname
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Personally i connect use renegade resurrection and order the servers by player count.
Saying that though, the times i do go in game i go on n00bless, which is favourited and always appears at the top, unless it's empty, which i either go in a sniper, or coop server or something or not at all anyway.
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| Re: off topic [message #398410 is a reply to message #398397] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 11:31 |
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| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:45 |
dumb words
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Clearly you didn't follow the conversation or you wouldn't have said that. Thanks for demonstrating your own point. Try using a hairdryer to get the drool off your keyboard.
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| Re: off topic [message #398416 is a reply to message #398393] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 12:29 |
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| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:22 |
But reading through this thread, the most pathetic thing i can see is Crimson (and anyone else that's said it as a way of demeaning exodus) saying 'faildus' instead of 'exodus'.
It's damn right childish.
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| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:22 |
What would you do if they started calling your server 'fail stories' (which actually makes more sense than simply changing the exo of exodus to fail)?
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They already do that. In fact, I can't tell who started it.
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:45 |
Why don't you just do the more mature thing and accept that some of your community members have started their own little community. Whatever they say is hardly going to budge your reputation, most people who post here struggle to keep drool off their keyboards. Let alone actually care about something like this.
If you are angry about losing a nickname that you don't really own, take that up with the owner of it in PM rather than creating drama here.
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This would have been a valid point, if it was Crimson that started this thread, instead of some exo-fag. I don't know why you're directing your criticism at Crimson instead of this drama queen named rrutk, who's been spamming multiple forums with pointless drama.
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| Re: off topic [message #398423 is a reply to message #398416] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 20:29 |
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 09:45 |
Why don't you just do the more mature thing and accept that some of your community members have started their own little community. Whatever they say is hardly going to budge your reputation, most people who post here struggle to keep drool off their keyboards. Let alone actually care about something like this.
If you are angry about losing a nickname that you don't really own, take that up with the owner of it in PM rather than creating drama here.
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This would have been a valid point, if it was Crimson that started this thread, instead of some exo-fag. I don't know why you're directing your criticism at Crimson instead of this drama queen named rrutk, who's been spamming multiple forums with pointless drama.
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It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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| Re: off topic [message #398428 is a reply to message #398423] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 13:22 |
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| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Care to quantify the term "administrator abuse" and "mindless button pushing"? I'm not quite sure what you're refering to. I'm talking about poinless thread spam, like this one and "n00bstories childish behavior".
| grant89uk wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:18 |
Our forums are far from dead just to clarify.
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lol.
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| Re: Time [message #398431 is a reply to message #398280] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 13:28 |
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| Pyr0man1c wrote on Mon, 17 August 2009 13:37 |
| luv2pb wrote on Sun, 16 August 2009 21:59 |
ps mah codez r gud
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| Re: off topic [message #398432 is a reply to message #398380] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 13:46 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 08:31 |
Keep on lying, guys. There are LOTS of people I don't like that are allowed to post here and advertise their shitty servers so long as they follow the forum rules. I'm not going to name them, but most of them know who they are.
YOU GUYS advertised yourselves by posting links to private forum posts. If ANY member of this forum posted confidential, protected information, it would and has been deleted. This includes warez, source code to cheats, personal information like phone numbers and addresses of people who do not agree to have them posted. When any other community or person was dealing with a huge security breach that leaked onto here (such as Reborn private betas leaked), they are REMOVED and the violators are banned. But you didn't stop there, did you? No, you made more and more accounts to try and post but I had turned on new account approvals so they all sat in the approval queue and you were never able to use them to continue to break forum rules.
To further illustrate my point, when arnyswart posted about your boys vs. girls tourney (which is ironically the same tournament that started this mess), the post was allowed to remain on the forum (right here at http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=34012&start=0&rid=8 where you left it) because it followed the forum rules. Your URL is in the link in that thread and it was not censored or filtered as you claimed it was.
Keep making yourselves look like asses, and people will realize why we do not miss you at n00bstories and are doing GREAT without you!
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uhm well...if you notice, that link is thx4the.info (the first URL we used to host forums), what you filtered was "exodus", even on URLs, so we couldn't talk about it nor link to the new URL.
| reborn wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 14:33 |
I have been assured that the same treatment would be applied to any community that posts private information from other peoples forums. I hope that this never happens to me, but if it does I believe Crimson when she says it would be dealt with just as promptly and ferociously; You have to give someone like Crimson the benefit of the doubt, after all of her personal time and money pumped into renegade. Not to mention how much she has helped others (server rentals anyone?; enormous amount of trust went into that).
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I would give her the benefit of the doubt if only I didn't know that it was actually HER placing that filter.
So the benefit of the doubt does not apply in this case 
I'm talking about the word filter and the "vanishing" posts threads anyway, I'm not going to say that removing private stuff isn't right. That page was made after she started lying about what happened, trying to make us look like retards, incompetent, traitors and what else, and the only way to fight those silly attempts to make us look dumb, was to show what really happened.
We didnt even want to start a new community, we just wanted to resign and keep playing without powers, but you can't do that there...they threatened to ban us if we tried, then the idea of a new community was born (also because we saw that we had enough people to start one).
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Our forums are far from being dead, maybe you're talking about n00bstories  :
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| Re: off topic [message #398437 is a reply to message #398428] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 21:22 |
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Care to quantify the term "administrator abuse" and "mindless button pushing"? I'm not quite sure what you're refering to. I'm talking about poinless thread spam, like this one and "n00bstories childish behavior".
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That would refer to the use of administration/moderation powers as a way to suppress negative opinions of n00bstories, opinions of those in power etc....y'know, stuff that isn't against the forum rules as such but stuff that gets punished anyway.
For instance, i'm unable to post in any technical help subforum as i spoke out against renguard (or something like that, i can't exactly remember tbh).
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I also seem to remember there was a new community created a while ago that clashed with this forum like Exodus is clashing with n00bstories now for the way this forum is run. I got my signature taken away for putting a link to that forum in it.
I also got the title of viva la resistance.
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| Re: off topic [message #398438 is a reply to message #398437] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 15:20 |
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| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 21:22 |
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Care to quantify the term "administrator abuse" and "mindless button pushing"? I'm not quite sure what you're refering to. I'm talking about poinless thread spam, like this one and "n00bstories childish behavior".
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That would refer to the use of administration/moderation powers as a way to suppress negative opinions of n00bstories, opinions of those in power etc....y'know, stuff that isn't against the forum rules as such but stuff that gets punished anyway.
For instance, i'm unable to post in any technical help subforum as i spoke out against renguard (or something like that, i can't exactly remember tbh).
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Is that so? Here's a test:
n00bstories is an unsatisfactory Renegade server, and its leader, Crimson, is a big ugly poop that's as dumb as a butt.
If this gets deleted, you're right. If it stays, you're wrong.
| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
I also seem to remember there was a new community created a while ago that clashed with this forum like Exodus is clashing with n00bstories now for the way this forum is run. I got my signature taken away for putting a link to that forum in it.
I also got the title of viva la resistance.
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Cool story, bro. I think I remember something similar happening while I was attending the pope's jewish wedding in Switzerland. Billy Mays told me about it while I was there.
In all seriousness, if you can't even remember the name of this supposed community, if it even existed, how do you expect your story to be taken seriously?
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| Re: off topic [message #398439 is a reply to message #398438] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 15:33 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 23:20 |
| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 21:22 |
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Care to quantify the term "administrator abuse" and "mindless button pushing"? I'm not quite sure what you're refering to. I'm talking about poinless thread spam, like this one and "n00bstories childish behavior".
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That would refer to the use of administration/moderation powers as a way to suppress negative opinions of n00bstories, opinions of those in power etc....y'know, stuff that isn't against the forum rules as such but stuff that gets punished anyway.
For instance, i'm unable to post in any technical help subforum as i spoke out against renguard (or something like that, i can't exactly remember tbh).
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Is that so? Here's a test:
n00bstories is an unsatisfactory Renegade server, and its leader, Crimson, is a big ugly poop that's as dumb as a butt.
If this gets deleted, you're right. If it stays, you're wrong.
| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
I also seem to remember there was a new community created a while ago that clashed with this forum like Exodus is clashing with n00bstories now for the way this forum is run. I got my signature taken away for putting a link to that forum in it.
I also got the title of viva la resistance.
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Cool story, bro. I think I remember something similar happening while I was attending the pope's jewish wedding in Switzerland. Billy Mays told me about it while I was there.
In all seriousness, if you can't even remember the name of this supposed community, if it even existed, how do you expect your story to be taken seriously?
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Based on your responses i've concluded i can only say one thing to you:
Come back and argue once you're through with pre-school.
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| Re: off topic [message #398440 is a reply to message #398439] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 15:36 |
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| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:33 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 23:20 |
| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 21:22 |
| jnz wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 13:01 |
It takes 2 to argue, and I see no pointless administrator abuse from the exodus community. Sure, they can do it on their own dead forums if they want. No one will be affected though, unlike here. Which is a totally seperate entity to n00bstories mind you. So instead of keeping mindless button pushing on n00bstories, it is also brought here.
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Care to quantify the term "administrator abuse" and "mindless button pushing"? I'm not quite sure what you're refering to. I'm talking about poinless thread spam, like this one and "n00bstories childish behavior".
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That would refer to the use of administration/moderation powers as a way to suppress negative opinions of n00bstories, opinions of those in power etc....y'know, stuff that isn't against the forum rules as such but stuff that gets punished anyway.
For instance, i'm unable to post in any technical help subforum as i spoke out against renguard (or something like that, i can't exactly remember tbh).
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Is that so? Here's a test:
n00bstories is an unsatisfactory Renegade server, and its leader, Crimson, is a big ugly poop that's as dumb as a butt.
If this gets deleted, you're right. If it stays, you're wrong.
| futura83 wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:03 |
I also seem to remember there was a new community created a while ago that clashed with this forum like Exodus is clashing with n00bstories now for the way this forum is run. I got my signature taken away for putting a link to that forum in it.
I also got the title of viva la resistance.
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Cool story, bro. I think I remember something similar happening while I was attending the pope's jewish wedding in Switzerland. Billy Mays told me about it while I was there.
In all seriousness, if you can't even remember the name of this supposed community, if it even existed, how do you expect your story to be taken seriously?
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Based on your responses i've concluded i can only say one thing to you:
Come back and argue once you're through with pre-school.
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| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: off topic [message #398443 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 15:43 |
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| ddr wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:38 |
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I see, and who are you exactly, Mr. 1 post?
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| Re: off topic [message #398448 is a reply to message #397679] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 16:26 |
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this is ridiculous the split was actually a good thing for the renegade community, stop being childish and get on with doing important stuff even if that "important" stuff is improving your renegade community.Nothing useful will come of this discussion as Crimson doesn't want to take anything useful from it.
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: off topic [message #398450 is a reply to message #398448] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 16:29 |
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| Pyr0man1c wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 18:26 |
this is ridiculous the split was actually a good thing for the renegade community, stop being childish and get on with doing important stuff even if that "important" stuff is improving your renegade community.Nothing useful will come of this discussion as Crimson doesn't want to take anything useful from it.
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crimson isn't the only person that should take something from this topic...
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lol
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| Re: off topic [message #398457 is a reply to message #398443] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 17:33 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:43 |
| ddr wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:38 |
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I see, and who are you exactly, Mr. 1 post?
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Well, he WAS someone who was banned once before for a month for leaking confidential information but he hasn't learned his lesson so now it's permanent. Exodus, you need to keep your fanboys on a leash, eh?
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: off topic [message #398460 is a reply to message #398457] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 18:26 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 17:33 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:43 |
| ddr wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 15:38 |
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I see, and who are you exactly, Mr. 1 post?
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Well, he WAS someone who was banned once before for a month for leaking confidential information but he hasn't learned his lesson so now it's permanent. Exodus, you need to keep your fanboys on a leash, eh?
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Why, that doesn't sound like "no reason" at all! In fact that sounds like a fairly serious offense! The CIA assassinates people for less.
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| Re: off topic [message #398466 is a reply to message #398463] |
Tue, 18 August 2009 19:13 |
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| grant89uk wrote on Tue, 18 August 2009 18:59 |
Lastly I didn't even see the post that had been removed as you seem oh so quick to remove these things.
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That's good. Personally, I like to see bans enforced and ban evasion punished. Surely, Exodus enforces their bans, right?
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