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Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! [message #396202 is a reply to message #396201]

Sat, 25 July 2009 11:34

Herr Surth
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Dover wrote on Sat, 25 July 2009 13:31

so say we all. wrote on Sat, 25 July 2009 10:33

Dover wrote on Sat, 25 July 2009 11:55

so say we all. wrote on Sat, 25 July 2009 09:44

Dover wrote on Sat, 25 July 2009 11:23

R315r4z0r wrote on Wed, 22 July 2009 18:31

However, how that relates to the faction balance.. I don't know.

In RA3 each faction was totally different in terms of balance.

The Allies built using the traditional MCV system with some twists to make it better. They required "tech clearance" per base in order to build higher-tier things. That made using high-tech units and weapons from expansion bases much harder and it required you to strategically plan where you make your technologically advanced expansion bases.

The Soviets also used the MCV system with even more of a twist. They had a global technology pool, so you could build any high-tech unit/weapon anywhere you're able to just as long as you have the unlocking structure somewhere on the map. The catch, however, is that your structures don't "appear" on the map. You chose a structure and then chose where you want to build it. Then the structure will begin to build itself on the map, all the while being vulnerable to attack.

Japan had the most unique form of construction. They had an MCV, but it worked differently than what you're thinking. Their MCV produced building specific "Nano-cores" which would transform into the building they represent at a location you desire. This is the only faction that isn't limited to a build radius. They are able to build anywhere on the map at any time they want, given they are able to transport the nano-core to the desired location. The core took a while to get deployed, all the while being vulnerable to attack. This way of building bares the most resemblance to the peon system.

I preferred using either the Allies or Japan.[/color]

Are we talking about faction balance? I don't think any past C&C games have had faction-balance problems.

you mean apart from everyone? Surprised

You know, the more I looked into your claims, the more it seemed to me that it was just bad players on the forum bitching instead of playing the game and getting better.

The ZH Community patch was made by some of the best ZH players there... Surprised

You're missing the point. Some professional StarCraft players have made comments like "Oh, Terran is overpowered" or "Protoss lategame vs Terran provides too much mobility with Recall, that's imbalanced", and I'm sure given the chance they would alter the game so suit their definition of balanaced, but that isn't the case. The game is what it is, and rather that patch it over, what should be done is learn to counter whatever the "overpowered" tactic is. It's not impossible.

With emphasis on "SOME" professional players?
Because, you know, virtually everyone thought China was underpowered.

Oh btw, are you proposing not to patch games at all anymore because nobodies input could be trusted?

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		C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: rockstar256 on Thu, 09 July 2009 13:57
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: slosha on Thu, 09 July 2009 14:34
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: luv2pb on Thu, 09 July 2009 17:21
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Sun, 12 July 2009 20:18
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Sun, 12 July 2009 15:02
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 13 July 2009 16:42
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: nope.avi on Mon, 13 July 2009 20:36
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 14 July 2009 17:23
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Wed, 15 July 2009 00:27
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 16 July 2009 18:15
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Muad Dib15 on Thu, 16 July 2009 11:08
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: liquidv2 on Fri, 17 July 2009 20:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 18 July 2009 01:51
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Sat, 18 July 2009 05:50
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: liquidv2 on Sat, 18 July 2009 19:49
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 18 July 2009 20:07
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Sun, 19 July 2009 00:19
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Mon, 20 July 2009 09:21
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 20 July 2009 18:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Mon, 20 July 2009 20:00
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 21 July 2009 10:47
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Tue, 21 July 2009 23:21
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Wed, 22 July 2009 18:31
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 09:23
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: nikki6ixx on Sat, 25 July 2009 09:41
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 09:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 09:55
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 10:33
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 11:31
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 11:34
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 12:40
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 13:01
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 13:18
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 13:54
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 14:00
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 14:27
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Devlin on Sun, 19 July 2009 06:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Mon, 20 July 2009 22:06
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Mon, 20 July 2009 22:35
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Sun, 19 July 2009 14:54
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Doitle on Mon, 20 July 2009 10:31
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Mon, 20 July 2009 12:33
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 20 July 2009 20:50
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: YazooGang on Mon, 20 July 2009 21:24
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: slosha on Tue, 21 July 2009 09:20
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: DarkKnight on Tue, 21 July 2009 16:37
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 21 July 2009 17:02
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: liquidv2 on Tue, 21 July 2009 18:40
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: nope.avi on Tue, 21 July 2009 21:24
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: YazooGang on Tue, 21 July 2009 22:01
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: havoc9826 on Thu, 23 July 2009 22:11
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: _SSnipe_ on Sat, 25 July 2009 01:40
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: ErroR on Sat, 25 July 2009 14:02
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Sat, 25 July 2009 15:05
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 15:41
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Starbuzzz on Sun, 26 July 2009 12:58
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sat, 25 July 2009 15:57
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Sat, 25 July 2009 16:01
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sun, 26 July 2009 11:45
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: _SSnipe_ on Sun, 26 July 2009 12:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sun, 26 July 2009 12:51
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Sun, 26 July 2009 14:33
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Sun, 26 July 2009 17:44
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Mon, 27 July 2009 12:49
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Mon, 27 July 2009 15:36
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Mon, 27 July 2009 17:47
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Dover on Tue, 28 July 2009 02:00
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Tue, 28 July 2009 02:58
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 28 July 2009 16:36
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: Herr Surth on Tue, 28 July 2009 17:16
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: liquidv2 on Sun, 26 July 2009 20:36
		Re: C&C 4 Coming!!!! By: nope.avi on Sun, 26 July 2009 20:51
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