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| nikki6ixx wrote on Thu, 16 April 2009 19:53 |
HEY! Maybe INSTEAD of just watching a telecast that WE AGREE WITH, maybe we should also watch one that challenges our belief system, causing us to think, instead of dismissing the other networks as a bunch of biased loonies!
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now you're just being unreasonable
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #380900 is a reply to message #380842] |
Fri, 17 April 2009 17:03 |
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| Ma1kel wrote on Fri, 17 April 2009 12:47 |
This is what forced schooling does to a population of rednecks
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Forced schooling? What are you talking about? Also good job on the republican = redneck comparison, you fucking moron.
WHATEVER, FAGGOT
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381369 is a reply to message #381275] |
Sun, 19 April 2009 15:25 |
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I wonder if these people get anywhere, apart from making us laugh every know and then...
"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"
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and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...
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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.
Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.
Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).
Is it just me, or does that make more sense?
The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".
My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).
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ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381498 is a reply to message #381454] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 10:32 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 06:14 |
| Dover wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 03:45 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 18 April 2009 07:07 |
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 18 April 2009 08:26 |
of course being hardcore extremist leftist is perfectly ok. and we all know there are noooooooooo racist in the Democrat party 
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That's not his point, and you assume that he actually thinks the Democrats have it right, too. All he said was that the sane protesters were overshadowed by the radical idiots because that's what the media focuses on. Of course, you weren't going to ever realize this because you still think everybody who doesn't agree with the right-wing is out to get the right-wing.
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News flash, cheesesoda. Libritarians like you were the minority at these events. The majority were butthurt republican asshats who don't handle defeat very well. Sometimes I wonder what you would do if you didn't have your media to blame things on.
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so those who protested bush when he was in office were they asshats as well?
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Of course not. They were actually protesting SOMETHING (Like a preemptive war), and waited for Bush to actually do something wrong. Obama hasn't been in office 100 days yet. He hasn't raised or lowered anyone's taxes (yet), in fact all he's done so far with regard to taxes is lower payroll tax. And once large-scale tax policy changes to occur in his administration, a huge majority of Americans are getting lower taxes instead of higher taxes. Whoever that CNN reporter is should be dismissive.
The real issue isn't that people are sick of taxes--Only true badasses like cheesesoda who hate everything are upset. The problem here is the republican party doesn't handle defeat well, and they're using any excuse they can get to throw a temper tantrum. Turn on Fox News at any time of day and chances are you'll see some bullshit report about things nobody cares about like "Obama going on Xth week without attending church", or about how he shook Hugo Chavez's hand and pretending it's some kind of diplomatic faux-pax, while ignoring Bush giving German leaders what amounts to an unsolicitated backrub. It's so partisan I want to puke.
And these same asshats who find "Obama's" spending (I've heard the term "Obama's TARP" said many times, regardless of TARP being a Bush-era program) sooo outrageous turned a blind eye to the cost of the war in Iraq and a barrage of "stimulus packages" under Bush which were ineffective at best and a total waste at worst. It's as if excessive spending is only a bad thing if a democrat does it. It's like everyone just came out of a coma two months ago.
And again, let me point out that during the protests under the Bush administration, the reaction to protesters was something to the tune of | Dover wrote on Thu, 16 April 2009 20:26 |
"Why do you hate America?" "Love it or leave it!" "Get out of my country!" "Majority rules!" etc etc.
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, so why is this batch of butthurt protesters expecting anything different?
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381557 is a reply to message #380512] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 15:24 |
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Of course, when concerning MY arguments against government spending, I'm A BADASS WHO HATES EVERYTHING. Except that I actually have LEGITIMATE grievances, but you won't admit that. It's just easier to write me off. Since I don't agree with either side, I'm somehow part of the lunatic fringe. Good job using at using ad hominem. We wouldn't want you to actually DEBATE the issue because that would mean you'd have to acknowledge my viewpoint, and that's just not your style.
Heaven forbid that my positions on political issues are void of typical hypocricies that we see from both liberals and conservatives. That just makes me legitimate, thus RADICAL AND A BADASS.
I've considered Obama to be outrageous in his spending, just as I have criticized Bush for the same and more... like the disappearance of my 4th Amendment rights. Again, acknowledging that I'm not a hypocrite is too hard, so it's just easier to write me off as some radical. Once again, kudos to your usage of ad hominem.
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381571 is a reply to message #381557] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 17:19 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 15:24 |
Of course, when concerning MY arguments against government spending, I'm A BADASS WHO HATES EVERYTHING. Except that I actually have LEGITIMATE grievances, but you won't admit that. It's just easier to write me off. Since I don't agree with either side, I'm somehow part of the lunatic fringe. Good job using at using ad hominem. We wouldn't want you to actually DEBATE the issue because that would mean you'd have to acknowledge my viewpoint, and that's just not your style.
Heaven forbid that my positions on political issues are void of typical hypocricies that we see from both liberals and conservatives. That just makes me legitimate, thus RADICAL AND A BADASS.
I've considered Obama to be outrageous in his spending, just as I have criticized Bush for the same and more... like the disappearance of my 4th Amendment rights. Again, acknowledging that I'm not a hypocrite is too hard, so it's just easier to write me off as some radical. Once again, kudos to your usage of ad hominem.
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The reason I paint you as a BADASS WHO HATES EVERYTHING is because your arguements remind me of the arguements of that turd sandwich, Lou Dobbs, who is a true BADASS WHO HATES EVERYTHING.
My post wasn't aimed toward you at all. You're a libritarian. You have views which I fundamentally disagree with and consider pretty wacky. You've been consistantly wacky, which I admire in a roundabout way, but I'm really disapointed with the butthurt republicans who are jumping on the wacky tax-protest bandwagon.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381578 is a reply to message #381574] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 18:55 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 18:00 |
The only reason why libertarians are considered "wacky" and "hate everything" is because whenever we're "pro"-something, we're thrown in with the liberals or conservatives.
I'm pro gay-marriage, so I'm thrown in with the liberals.
I'm pro-separation of church and state. Oops, liberal again.
I'm pro-responsible government spending. I'm a conservative, apparently (even though conservatives like to waste money, too).
Instead of thinking of me as "anti"-everything, I should be thought of as pro-liberty and everything that gives people the ability to do what the fuck they want as long as it does not harm others.
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From my understanding (And I could be misinformed, if so please correct me), one of the central libritarian goals is the abolishment of income tax, which I consider pretty fucking wacky.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381580 is a reply to message #380512] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 19:12 |
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Well, the income tax is fundamentally illegal. The 16th Amendment was illegally ratified, and until that was ratified, you could not have a graduated tax. Besides, the tax code is an absolute mess... 62,000 pages.
The simplest and, quite honestly, best solution is a national sales tax. It's a Constitutionally legal tax (it's direct and apportioned), and the rich still pay more because the more you spend, the more you pay.
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381584 is a reply to message #381580] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 20:34 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 20 April 2009 19:12 |
Well, the income tax is fundamentally illegal. The 16th Amendment was illegally ratified, and until that was ratified, you could not have a graduated tax. Besides, the tax code is an absolute mess... 62,000 pages.
The simplest and, quite honestly, best solution is a national sales tax. It's a Constitutionally legal tax (it's direct and apportioned), and the rich still pay more because the more you spend, the more you pay.
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And see, you post what appears to the casual observer to be a logical, structured arguement, but what I read is pure butthurt. Regardless of how it was ratified, it's been a de-facto law for so long it really doesn't matter. That the tax code is a mess is one thing, and I agree completely. That something so basic as income tax is illegal because of some retarded technicality 9001 years ago, and a little bit retarded.
Politicians like Ron Paul who promise abolishing income tax are a nice change of pace, but are horribly naive, and as someone who believes communism can work in the near future, I know a thing or two about being naive. It's a grandstanding move that screams showmanship, like a student elected official promising to abolish homework. In the same way you tell kids to stop bitching and do their homework, you should really stop bitching and pay your taxes, just like everyone in the civilized world for the past several hundred years.
But that's a different matter. Back on topic: The US has the lowest tax rates of the developed world, most protesters are getting lower taxes, and it's retarded to pin any of this on Obama since he hasn't actually raised anyone's taxes. People are quick to point out the "massive" government spending that our children will pay for, but for some reason don't like talking about Bush's massive government spending that's being paid for right now (Except cheesesoda, who as a non-hypocrite is more than happy to talk about it). Is there really anything else to discuss?
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: The 800 teapartys today [message #381591 is a reply to message #380512] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 21:26 |
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That's not really "butthurt". If my entire argument is that a flat tax is Constitutional and a graduated tax isn't, sure... it'd be butthurt, but that's only one of my arguments. A sales tax is much easier to control, and certain items (like exist now for food, etc...) can be tax free... or you could lower the rate. Perhaps on things like education, housing, etc... There are no deadlines, no forms, no audits, no IRS, no government withholding, the rich still pay more than the average joe, and you get to keep 100% of what you make, leaving more money for citizens to save.
It's only butthurt if you consider the push to use cleaner, more efficient fuels for vehicles to be butthurt, as well. A more efficient system that has more pros than cons, unlike the current system, seems to be progressive rather than whiny, petty bullshit.
But, yes, another discussion for another day.
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