| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #378391 is a reply to message #362337] |
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when i was little i asked god for da new jordanz and i didnt get em i only got SHAQS for kobe bryant's sake
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #380252 is a reply to message #380246] |
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| renalpha wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 13:42 |
I got proof for all of you guys.
The following: " America " " people" " war " " virgains " " money "
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He's right. The existence of Virgins and America is irrefutable proof that there is a God, and he is gracious to humankind.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #380322 is a reply to message #362337] |
Tue, 14 April 2009 16:21 |
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i saw a movie with sum dood who said, "if us humans can say that God exists then he must", gentile Hollywood or BS...U decide!
u du da thinkin' and i'll do da drinkin'
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #381554 is a reply to message #380163] |
Mon, 20 April 2009 14:57 |
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| Quackpunk wrote on Tue, 14 April 2009 00:53 |
Scientific, logical, and moral proof is not a good way to argue a religion.
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Indeed, in much the same way that holy water is not a good way to wash a vampire. At least, from the vampire's point of view.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383788 is a reply to message #383782] |
Fri, 01 May 2009 06:23 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 05:00 |
Christ could return tomorrow and take all the Christian souls both living and dead and perform countless miracles.
And you would still have the same people on this thread going "its all a trick, there has to be some scientific explanation for it all"
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Maybe he'll be some guy from New York, claiming to have found some secret gospels of the bible written on some golden plates only he can read, saying Utah is the promised land and the Jesus lives in a town in Alabama.
You religfags have nobody to blame but yourselves for the skepticism you're dealing with. Claims like yours have been abused for thousands of years, with no sign of letting up. Just look at Scientology for fucks sake. And before you make some claim like "They're wrong, but I'm not with them! I'm right!", the "they" would say the same. It's all a tangled mess of blind faith and butthurt.
Logic, on the other hand, never leads you astray, and never lies.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383802 is a reply to message #383782] |
Fri, 01 May 2009 07:26 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 07:00 |
Christ could return tomorrow and take all the Christian souls both living and dead and perform countless miracles.
And you would still have the same people on this thread going "its all a trick, there has to be some scientific explanation for it all"
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Please answer these questions one by one.
1. The Emperor Hirohito claimed to be the physical incarnation of a god. Do you believe this claim?
2. The Russian Tsars and the German Kaiser claimed to be officially appointed by the Christian god. Do you believe this claim?
3. The Prophet Mohammed claimed to be inspired and instructed by the same god who gave us Christianity (and Judaism). Do you believe this claim?
4. Same as 3, but replace Islam with Mormonism.
5. Kim Jong-Il and Kim Il-Sung claimed to be two incarnations of the same divine being, descended from heaven. One of them is dead but still officially rules over the people. Do you believe these claims?
This is just off the top of my head, I could go on. Either religious assertions have to be proven or they don't. If they have to prove their religious assertions, so do you. If you don't have to prove your religious assertions, neither do they. You are then left with the presumably uncomfortable knowledge that this god of yours is responsible for World War One (since the rulers of both sides started it), took Hitler's side in World War Two, gave us Islam and the incalculable destruction and oppression that's caused, etc etc etc.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383882 is a reply to message #383880] |
Fri, 01 May 2009 23:28 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Fri, 01 May 2009 23:00 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 00:31 |
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 01:11 |
i have no desire to do a question and answer about my faith. It is MY faith and My belief. I'm not here to debate that. Good day.
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"You can't make me answer you. Haha, you suck."
What a cop-out. At least give a real answer like, "debating my faith isn't going to change your or my opinion, and I have no desire to fuel an argument that will get neither of us anywhere."
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umm no the reason for my response was that I was making a statement that those who do not believe here wouldn't believe even if Christ was standing in front of them without scientific proof.
It was not an invite to discuss why I'm a Christian.
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Your statement loses credibility if you bitch out when it's turned against you. Who are you to make hypothetical accusations when you're trying to put yourself above scruitiny?
What if Spoony said something to the effect of "Even if you were presented with irrefutatable proof there is no God, people like Darkknight would cling to their silly superstitions."?
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383889 is a reply to message #362337] |
Sat, 02 May 2009 00:48 |
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I just love these topics. No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong.
My statement was a simple one. It wasn't to debate the existence of God. All I was saying is even if God showed up on earth and performed countless miracles you would still have people thinking some how its all a trick.
That's it simple statement. I wasn't disputing anyone claiming to be God or a profit. I wasn't saying their couldn't be some nut job who thinks he's God or Christ. I was talking about if the God, the one that us believers believe in were to appear on this planet you would still have people in disbelief.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383930 is a reply to message #383889] |
Sat, 02 May 2009 06:20 |
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| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 |
I just love these topics. No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong.
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No one ever wins? You either don't pay much attention or you can't admit defeat in an argument. Are you forgetting what happened last time?
First you rattled off some "arguments" against evolution. I don't claim to be a scientist, but it was remarkably easy to demonstrate that every single thing you said, without exception, was absolutely dead wrong. No one ever wins? Well, certainly one person lost.
Your next argument was the only one I've seen you offer in favour of Christianity - anyone want to guess what it was? That's right... a threat to me (albeit a fairly veiled one) of the punishment for disobedience.
Of course, this is actually an argument against Christianity, not for it; it shows not only that your religion is not capable of actually teaching you right from wrong, but also how feeble the belief is that it needs to be backed up by threats of horrific punishment (even worse than under, say, Stalin's Russia - he would certainly have you killed for disagreeing with him, but once you were dead he was more or less finished with you).
I replied pointing out the sheer evil of your statement, and laying out exactly why I am not a Christian and why your pathetic threats of punishment are not enough to make me subscribe to a belief system I see is immoral. The first time I answered the question, you made the bizarre response that I hadn't answered it. "no just answer the question!" This puzzled me no end, so I thought the only real solution was simply to repeat my post a second time. Then you actually had the decency to read it and conceded that you respected what I said. No one ever wins?
No one ever wins but yet both sides think they have all the answers and the other side is all wrong.
So in a nutshell...
"No one ever wins" - well, if one side is capable of losing, like you've done each time so far, are you sure no one wins?
"Both sides think they have all the answers" - in my case, absolutely not. That's why I like science, which is simply the name for our continued process of understanding the world, the universe, and ourselves. Religion tries to do that too, it's just really really crap at it.
You are basically admitting that you DO think you have all the answers, although it doesn't really square with your track record. But then, I suppose someone who answered every question wrong in a test can still technically claim to've answered every question.
"and the other side is all wrong" - in your case, certainly, but only after carefully pointing out why.
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 |
My statement was a simple one. It wasn't to debate the existence of God.
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Of course it wasn't. Like I said above, you've already tried selling Christianity to me. If you had anything good to say about it, you would've done so. You didn't, hence your sales pitch being a threat of punishment for disobedience.
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 |
I wasn't disputing anyone claiming to be God or a profit. I wasn't saying their couldn't be some nut job who thinks he's God or Christ.
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These two sentences do contradict each other somewhat. But, you aren't disputing the claim of, say, the Russian Tsars and the German Kaiser, both of whom claimed to be officially appointed by the Christian God. Between us they gave us World War One, a war which was not only destructive beyond anything previously seen, but was astonishingly pointless and un-necessary. If you are not disputing their claims to divine authority, you are passively conceding that Christianity shoulders responsibility.
Nor do you dispute the claim of the prophet Mohammed or of Joseph Smith (founder of LDS/Mormonism), both of whom claimed to be receiving revelations from the god you believe in. They were both more recent than the ones supposedly offered by Christ, therefore they supercede the earlier revelation (Christianity) in the same way that Christianity supercedes the yet earlier revelation (Judaism).
So, by simply not being a Muslim or a Mormon, you actually ARE disputing their claims. All these four revelations purport to come from the same god. In chronological order: Judaism > Christianity > Islam > Latter Day Saints. By not subscribing to the two more recent updates from the Christian God, you are passively disputing the two claims.
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 02:48 |
All I was saying is even if God showed up on earth and performed countless miracles you would still have people thinking some how its all a trick.
I was talking about if the God, the one that us believers believe in were to appear on this planet you would still have people in disbelief.
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Well, even when you find out that every single thing you think you know about evolution is absolutely dead wrong, you don't retract your statements or admit you were incorrect. So, why not assume there are more people like yourself in the world?
You do realise that there is a straightforward reason why so many people doubt the existence of your god? Your statement implies that everyone just desperately wants not to believe what's right in front of them. The real reason is that there has never been any proof, nor any particularly convincing logical arguments, for this god's existence.
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| Re: Proof God DOESN'T Exist [message #383936 is a reply to message #383931] |
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| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 |
wow dude get a life.
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Thanks for the tip. I've a gig to get to in the city tonight, for which I'll be setting off in about an hour (since I need to move a drumkit about for one of the bands), but until then I'm just hanging out for a while so I can keep an eye on someone who is unwell. May as well post on the forums. How about you?
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 |
So my one post brings out everything I've ever said. Sounds like my ex-wife. Get it all out you will feel much better.
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Uh, is there a point in here somewhere?
| Darkknight wrote on Sat, 02 May 2009 08:29 |
Now that you've said all that and yes I did read it. I'm still a believer and your not. And I bet all the Christians who post here are still believers and all the ones who weren't still aren't
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Right. What were you saying earlier? If Christ/God showed up everyone would still disbelieve? Like I said, you think everybody's like you... i.e. completely incapable of admitting they were wrong. Ironically you're the one condemning others.
Indeed, I'm not a believer. You've already done your best to bring me to Christianity... what a shame you had nothing good to say about it, so the only inducement was your threat of punishment if I disobeyed. Congratulations, my opinion of Christianity is even lower than it was before you opened your mouth.
How fortunate Christ probably isn't coming back, because I don't think he would be particularly proud of you.
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