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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371347 is a reply to message #371344] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 18:39   |
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nikki6ixx
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| Ethenal wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:20 |
Except the server doesn't tell you that it's logging private messages.
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wtf? What kind of server logs private messages?
Players really should be notified of this...
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371378 is a reply to message #371348] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 23:22 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:56 |
Did you happen to stumble upon this topic? Roshambo made a plugin/mod that has the ability to log private messages.
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Which makes no sense in my eyes. Why someone would spy on personal messages is beyond me.
If the purpose is to curb hackers, and cheats, which is all I can see this being useful for, they will simply get wise to this, and use other channels for communication with each other like TeamSpeak, MSN Messenger, etc.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371388 is a reply to message #371328] |
Tue, 10 February 2009 02:22 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 00:00 |
| Hex wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:56 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:47 |
deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys.
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Did you really have to use what I did as a example!
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heh I'm sure you have Hex that wouldn't suprise me one bit. Would you honestly care if everyone here knew that though?
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Fuck no, want to play with them?
| RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 08:35 |
servers has already been doing this already for over a few years.
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Other server have been doing it for a long time, some view pms that are required ie mods PMs and some servers that view everyones pms.
to anyone else, you don't like it, don't use the fucking plugin, it's simple as that
You join someones server, you have no rights and they have every right to do what ever they wish to do.
I would put good money on it that if someone here was being constantly abused in PM and no action was taking by the people in power that they would be upset/pissed off
| goztow wrote on Tue, 11 May 2010 08:00 |
If we had to ban all who ever cheated or ever created a cheat (obj3cts and such) then I don't think there would be many members left here (sad fact).
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| reborn wrote on Fri, 29 January 2010 23:37 |
std is for pro's. 
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371390 is a reply to message #371388] |
Tue, 10 February 2009 03:43 |
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| Hex wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 09:22 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 00:00 |
| Hex wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:56 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:47 |
deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys.
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Did you really have to use what I did as a example!
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heh I'm sure you have Hex that wouldn't suprise me one bit. Would you honestly care if everyone here knew that though?
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Fuck no, want to play with them?
| RoShamBo wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 08:35 |
servers has already been doing this already for over a few years.
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Other server have been doing it for a long time, some view pms that are required ie mods PMs and some servers that view everyones pms.
to anyone else, you don't like it, don't use the fucking plugin, it's simple as that
You join someones server, you have no rights and they have every right to do what ever they wish to do.
I would put good money on it that if someone here was being constantly abused in PM and no action was taking by the people in power that they would be upset/pissed off
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Right I couldn't agree with you more it would be really handy for the people that get abused via pm. Thats all well and good but would it hurt so much to let people know when they join that all PMs get logged and read. Its not like i'm asking for much.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371744 is a reply to message #371512] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 05:14 |
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| grant89uk wrote on Tue, 10 February 2009 21:32 |
I remember once playing on there some guy spectate killed me right in front of of shinigami who is an admin there i believe.
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He owns it, and they do log PMs.. right in the admin channel. 
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371805 is a reply to message #371301] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 12:05 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 15:00 |
Don't take your private business to renegade, then.
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I can think of quite a few times when I've told or been told a clan join password (when they actually worked) or a botname password on a renegade PM. It's not credit card details, but it's quite easily abusable. If people have always been under the impression that PMs are indeed private unless one of the two participants decides to show someone a SS of it, then it's probably wrong to change that without informing people.
andr3w's example of "such-and-such really was dumb enough to admit to cheating to me by PM" isn't relevant... he admitted it to you, you were the person he sent the PM to, you were always able to read his admission.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371809 is a reply to message #371075] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 12:17 |
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I can think of a few servers that actually log PMs.
I can think of two off the top of my head that can toggle between logging private messages for specific players if abuse is suspected.
The fact is that you *CAN* read them, doesn't mean they're being read all the time. Like I stated above, I made a console command to simply toggle whether a user's private messages are logged.
Console: "logpm <player id>"
Another server, who has a custom bot built into the FDS, has a command to watch a player's PMs if abuse is suspected...
Also, like RoShamBo said, it's up to the server owner to decide whether that server logs private messages. Arguing here does nothing.
You want people to not read your private messages? Either:
A) Don't send any private messages
B) Don't play on servers that do log PM's; or:
C) Go to each server's forums and argue there about it.
Also, I rarely send private messages over Renegade..
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371862 is a reply to message #371094] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 16:35 |
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| zunnie wrote on Sun, 08 February 2009 15:45 |
Private Messages should be -well- private...
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I completely agree with this, and have argued against any invasion of that privacy time and time again, and yet server owners still insist on doing it. I have given up arguing about it these days, and now simply use Xfire to communicate with other people in the same server, since they have not come up with a way to spy on that yet. Not that I have played Renegade in a while now mind you....
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371863 is a reply to message #371862] |
Thu, 12 February 2009 16:40 |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 12 February 2009 17:35 |
...simply use Xfire to communicate with other people in the same server, since they have not come up with a way to spy on that yet. ....
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And this is why this intrusion into people's PM's is simply not worth it.
The only sensible reason for reading PM's is to see if anyone is hacking, or causing mischief. But hackers, and mischief makers will likely use Xfire or MSN Messenger, etc to communicate if they're smart enough.
Of course, that essentially leaves PM monitoring to be only good for spying in on people's conversations, and seeing if they're bad-moutining moderators, or other players. That's just plain petty.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371910 is a reply to message #371863] |
Fri, 13 February 2009 00:47 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 13 February 2009 00:40 |
And this is why this intrusion into people's PM's is simply not worth it.
The only sensible reason for reading PM's is to see if anyone is hacking, or causing mischief. But hackers, and mischief makers will likely use Xfire or MSN Messenger, etc to communicate if they're smart enough.
Of course, that essentially leaves PM monitoring to be only good for spying in on people's conversations, and seeing if they're bad-moutining moderators, or other players. That's just plain petty.
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That's only because they now know about it. It worked perfectly fine when most people didn't think it was possible. Oh and I'm against it, btw.
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