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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371292 is a reply to message #371075] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 14:19   |
a000clown
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What could you possibly be discussing in an online game that's so important you don't want anyone to read it?
I honestly couldn't care who's listening to my conversations so long as I'm not discussing things that have to do my financial records.
Although, I do think people should be informed if they're being logged.
[Updated on: Mon, 09 February 2009 14:21] Report message to a moderator |
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371302 is a reply to message #371301] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 15:05 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 22:00 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 21:58 |
This argument isn't just for MSN. I wouldn't want a server owner and/or his mods knowing my private business. If you truly believe that we shouldn't be talking during game then why dont you make something to take chat out of it. If I want to message someone which tbh I have the right to then I shall. If the server is going to read what I say that at least tell people that you're doing it. Is that really so much to ask for?
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Don't take your private business to renegade, then.
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I can see that caveman isn't arguing cos he sends private things to people, he's arguing just for the sake of arguing the point.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371310 is a reply to message #371308] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:15 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 22:51 |
Wow, unbelievable. Im not even going to bother, the arrogance you show for other peoples privacy is truly unbelievable.
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If that's the only response you can come out with you may as well not have.
I respect the whole privacy thing, but really, what would you say over renegade that is so private that you are scared of the mods finding.
Sure, you gave an example, but in that but in that one, if you were gonna stop and have a phone conversation via text or call you would be hampering the team, no matter how slightly.
Besides, how often do you think people really pm each other stuff ingame?
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371313 is a reply to message #371310] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:23 |
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| insert_name_here wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:15 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 22:51 |
Wow, unbelievable. Im not even going to bother, the arrogance you show for other peoples privacy is truly unbelievable.
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If that's the only response you can come out with you may as well not have.
I respect the whole privacy thing, but really, what would you say over renegade that is so private that you are scared of the mods finding.
Sure, you gave an example, but in that but in that one, if you were gonna stop and have a phone conversation via text or call you would be hampering the team, no matter how slightly.
Besides, how often do you think people really pm each other stuff ingame?
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Its just easier for me to PM my brother or a friend then minimizing and loading MSN etc...It's not that people have something to hide its the point that they're listening in on people without them knowing and that is wrong. When im playing I use the PM system a lot, it doesn't take 2 secs to press F2 /name and the message. Its not a full blown conversation its just things that have no concern to others so I send via PM.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371321 is a reply to message #371075] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:47 |
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Moderators reading PMs is not much different to what I do in my job really, that is, preparing people's medical notes for when they come into hospital.
To be able to prepare them, I sometimes have to read portions of it. They don't know I'm invading their privacy, but I am, that's my job. There is very sensitive information in them, and I know for a fact if they were my case notes I would not want anyone reading them. So ok, I have all their information, including name, address, telephone numbers. What do I do with that info? Absolutely nothing. The very same applies to renegade, moderators don't care at all about what information you give out in PM, they certainly wouldn't act on it.
I don't see why someone, who is a complete stranger, knowing a small bit of insignificant information about you is "invading your privacy". If that moderator acted on that information, then I would understand. If it was me, I would swiftly switch to a new server.
Ok another example, ok lets say you have deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys. You decide to go to an on-line store. When you purchase them. The person who deals with your order will know your name, number, address and whatever you're interested in. Would you care though? You will never see that person, they will not come to your house. The order will most likely be logged too, and maybe reviewed.
In both cases, you're not told your privacy is being "invaded".
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371322 is a reply to message #371075] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:52 |
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If you pull out all the code for servers, so servers don't exist in Renegade, the private messaging system still does. I wouldn't say that reading private messages is up to the server owners, as the PM system is separate from a server.
Also, reading personal information at a job is a lot different than on a game. The client expects you to keep that information confidential and secure, and legal action can be taken if its not. In a game, this is not the case, so reading private messages is a larger issue.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371325 is a reply to message #371322] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:58 |
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futura83
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| DeadX07 wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:52 |
If you pull out all the code for servers, so servers don't exist in Renegade, the private messaging system still does. I wouldn't say that reading private messages is up to the server owners, as the PM system is separate from a server.
Also, reading personal information at a job is a lot different than on a game. The client expects you to keep that information confidential and secure, and legal action can be taken if its not. In a game, this is not the case, so reading private messages is a larger issue.
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Did you not read (or completely forget) the part where he mentioned that moderators wouldn't care what you say to someone else in a PM, as long as it isn't harrassing?
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371327 is a reply to message #371321] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 16:59 |
Caveman
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:47 |
Moderators reading PMs is not much different to what I do in my job really, that is, preparing people's medical notes for when they come into hospital.
To be able to prepare them, I sometimes have to read portions of it. They don't know I'm invading their privacy, but I am, that's my job. There is very sensitive information in them, and I know for a fact if they were my case notes I would not want anyone reading them. So ok, I have all their information, including name, address, telephone numbers. What do I do with that info? Absolutely nothing. The very same applies to renegade, moderators don't care at all about what information you give out in PM, they certainly wouldn't act on it.
I don't see why someone, who is a complete stranger, knowing a small bit of insignificant information about you is "invading your privacy". If that moderator acted on that information, then I would understand. If it was me, I would swiftly switch to a new server.
Ok another example, ok lets say you have deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys. You decide to go to an on-line store. When you purchase them. The person who deals with your order will know your name, number, address and whatever you're interested in. Would you care though? You will never see that person, they will not come to your house. The order will most likely be logged too, and maybe reviewed.
In both cases, you're not told your privacy is being "invaded".
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With your example for your job. It is REQUIRED for you to read it, if however it wasn't required and you was nosing around peoples addresses and phones numbers then yeah I would be pissed that some person is getting my details without me knowing.
As to the moderator, you might be kind enough to disregard what you might read but others mods dont. How am I meant to know what server is logging my chat when we do not get told? That is the point.
If I was to order kinky sex toys from the net I KNOW my details are going to be logged, its quite obvious since they need it for my goods to be delivered. If they then leaked my details to some other company i'd be pissed. Server owners have no reason whatsoever to evade people privacy.
| CarrierII wrote |
BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371328 is a reply to message #371324] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 17:00 |
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| Hex wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:56 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:47 |
deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys.
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Did you really have to use what I did as a example!
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heh I'm sure you have Hex that wouldn't suprise me one bit. Would you honestly care if everyone here knew that though?
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| Re: The PM discussion from Rengooey - cleared [message #371330 is a reply to message #371327] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 17:02 |
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futura83
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:59 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 23:47 |
Moderators reading PMs is not much different to what I do in my job really, that is, preparing people's medical notes for when they come into hospital.
To be able to prepare them, I sometimes have to read portions of it. They don't know I'm invading their privacy, but I am, that's my job. There is very sensitive information in them, and I know for a fact if they were my case notes I would not want anyone reading them. So ok, I have all their information, including name, address, telephone numbers. What do I do with that info? Absolutely nothing. The very same applies to renegade, moderators don't care at all about what information you give out in PM, they certainly wouldn't act on it.
I don't see why someone, who is a complete stranger, knowing a small bit of insignificant information about you is "invading your privacy". If that moderator acted on that information, then I would understand. If it was me, I would swiftly switch to a new server.
Ok another example, ok lets say you have deep sexual desires and wish to purchase a tandem whip, handcuffs, lubricant and toys. You decide to go to an on-line store. When you purchase them. The person who deals with your order will know your name, number, address and whatever you're interested in. Would you care though? You will never see that person, they will not come to your house. The order will most likely be logged too, and maybe reviewed.
In both cases, you're not told your privacy is being "invaded".
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With your example for your job. It is REQUIRED for you to read it, if however it wasn't required and you was nosing around peoples addresses and phones numbers then yeah I would be pissed that some person is getting my details without me knowing.
As to the moderator, you might be kind enough to disregard what you might read but others mods dont. How am I meant to know what server is logging my chat when we do not get told? That is the point.
If I was to order kinky sex toys from the net I KNOW my details are going to be logged, its quite obvious since they need it for my goods to be delivered. If they then leaked my details to some other company i'd be pissed. Server owners have no reason whatsoever to evade people privacy.
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Cos if you did say something private enough to someone on the internet, you'd know if it got leaked.
Besides, when you tell anyone anything there is always a risk that it gets out.
I've learnt, since being at college, that there isn't really such a thing as a secret....that or all my mates really can't be trusted. 
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371332 is a reply to message #371284] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 17:06 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 14:40 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 20:01 |
| insert_name_here wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:47 |
Having the server log your serial hash and your IP address is not of any importance. What can you do with my hash and ip thats gonna worry me? I'd quite happily tell anyone my IP address and hash. However having it log potential sensitive info without me knowing is something entirely different. If I know the server is gonna read my PMs i'll make sure not to say something that I dont want anyone knowing. Its pretty logical, no? Have some common courtesy.
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You're using their server for free with them having to pay a bunch for it.
You don't have the rights you might think you have.
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So with that logic you would agree that its ok for Microsoft to read our MSN conversations, the server owner on IRC to read your
PMs, for parents to listen in on theres childs phone call.. etc... Just before you dont pay for it.
If any of the above said that it would be logged/read you can bet your ass that I wouldn't use that service. I for one like my privacy.
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Sure, if microsoft wanted to listen in on my MSN conversations they can knock themselves out. I have nothing to hide. Same for IRC conversations. It only takes more resources on their side, and if they were doing it then I know it's only with good intentions. This is the same for renegade, if someone is getting harassed in PM then not only can we prove it but we can ban on the spot without the player having to report it.
About the phone, if was even possible. If I wanted to talk to someone and keep it private from my parents, I would use either: another service, or another form of communication. As I said before, I generally have nothing to hide so I probably wouldn't care.
Again, I repeat. You have no control what-so-ever over someone else's server. If you don't like it, go play somewhere else.
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You might not have anything to hide, but others have conversations they'd rather other people not read.
Is it so wrong to ask that your private messages be kept private?
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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