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Mon, 26 January 2009 17:01

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Id like to make sure from experience from people on here
what jobs can you get with a BS in computer science and quesiton on a different computer field

See I want to become a computer programmer but not sure if I can get to that from a degree in computer science or do I do the computer engineering, so since most people here are in collage and know about this stuff if they can tell me which of those majors can help me be able get many choices in jobs (by that i mean someone said if i get a BS in CS I can get a few different type of jobs, which I can also use to fall back on) but be able to do computer programming which is what I want the most

1)So which is it computer science or computer engineering to become a programmer?

http://www.csusb.edu/majorsDegrees/undergraduate/bsComputerScience/

http://www.csusb.edu/majorsDegrees/undergraduate/bsComputerEngineering/

2)what jobs can i get with a bs from each of those degrees?
3)the community collage im go to in a year and half to do my general ed has this as a program on there program list

"computer information systems"
heres details about it"

But if you read the that you see it says

Quote:

Degrees & Certificates

* A.S. Degrees
o Computer Applications
o Computer Programming

* Certificate Programs
o C++ Programming
o CISCO Networking **
o E-Commerce **
o Java Programming **
o PC Publishing
o Relational Database Management Technology **
o Systems Development **
o Visual Basic Programming **
o Web Master

Now I dont want AS degree (Or should I?) But what are these
Certificate Programs? do they also come with the computer science and computer engineering from the university?
4)And whats a computer systems B.A?

 http://www.csusb.edu/majorsDegrees/undergraduate/baComputerSystems/

I must say please please no flaming shit talk ot off topic subjects this is something I really want to check up on and make sure I know what am doing

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Mon, 26 January 2009 21:07

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The job I'm wanting to get requires me to have a CIS degree which is, I think, a step down from a full-blown CS degree. With a CS/CIS degree, you can get jobs like what I want to become; a developer. The job I'm looking at is an entry-level .NET programmer (/me prepares to be flamed by other coders here..) but it requires me to have a B.S. in either CIS or CS (I can't remember which off the top of my head.)

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Mon, 26 January 2009 21:09

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So which of what do I have to do along with my questions above? I plan on doing VB C++ and such

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Mon, 26 January 2009 21:18

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I don't wanna sound like an asshole but the best people to ask about these things are the campus recruitment department or the faculty department administrator.

But anyways to give you a rough idea of the way i see it and what i'm currently doing:

My degree im studying in is Information Technology - Networking stream. It's not a computer science degree, and yet bares the same resemblence in a lot of aspects. Our focus is networking and yet we get a strong background in programming and software also. We cover cisco CCNA and CCNP as well which is kind of awesome since its a recognized valuable certification. Also the "BIT" program runs parrallel and allows me to still apply for jobs that require a "computer science" degree (it acts as an equivalent)

To give you a rough idea of what that degree gives me in terms of careers are:

From what I understand computer science is more of a general aspect as apposed to a specific. Same goes for computer engineering. They try to give you abstract theory so you can apply it to all different kinds of fields.

From what i see from the descriptions and my experiences computer engineering is more technical in terms of specifications and low-level stuff such as hardware and the how software connects with hardware.

Computer science will give you a more rounded background in math, physics and software algorithms. Basically allow you to actually get the educational background in coding UI programs.

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Mon, 26 January 2009 21:22

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The only reason I would ever take VB classes is because it's a degree requirement. Funny thing this topic came up right when I decided on getting a CIS degree also, lol..

My Course Requirements

Because I'm going for a Bachelor's I need CIS-170 and CIS-270. There's more, but that'd make the spoiler too big Razz

Razz

[/rant]

Razz

Anyway, if you want to do programming do Computer Engineering.

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Mon, 26 January 2009 21:27

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After reading both your replys Im still trying to look it up but I need more replys Smile

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can yopu guys give me an idea of jobs I can get for each degree then try to explain more about the difffrence and if it can help me with being a programmer?

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Mon, 26 January 2009 23:46

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My advice would be to not waste your time going for a specific area. Unless you are set on being someone that sits infront of a desk all day and writes programs just get a general computer sciences degree.

When a company wants something computer related done they hire a computer sciences graduate. That computer sciences graduate is given a problem. If he personally can't solve the problem he hires someone who can. Whats the difference between the two? The original CS guy gets paid more money and doesn't sit infront of a desk all day. He gets to talk with people and is given a chance to move up.

This is what I'm leaning towards right now. Its basically what I do already through my own company. I'm a first year student thinking about majoring in computer science.

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Tue, 27 January 2009 00:21

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These days it is more about the piece of paper than what that piece of paper is in. Do what you enjoy and can get though 2/4/5 years of college. If you have a chance to get a co-op or something similar via a program TAKE IT. Even if it is kinda crappy with crappy pay ... you get your foot in the door and it is priceless to you in the long run.

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Tue, 27 January 2009 00:31

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Didn't you already ask this question before?

I think more important than what you can do with your diploma is the fact you like what you're studying / will be doing at work for the rest of your life.

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Tue, 27 January 2009 08:01

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Goztow wrote on Mon, 26 January 2009 23:31

Didn't you already ask this question before?

I think more important than what you can do with your diploma is the fact you like what you're studying / will be doing at work for the rest of your life.

Most people here already know what they wanna do, I wanna get the facts so when i do finish high school I can be sure if I will choose it, Im good with computer, maybe not the best like most of you but im not stupid at them. there all im good at out of anything else so a job with computers is something I would like and want which is why im asking these questions where some really have not gotten answered yet

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Tue, 27 January 2009 22:00

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Anyone? this my future here ;(

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Tue, 27 January 2009 23:59

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SSnipe wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 00:00

Anyone? this my future here ;(

First off read what people have said to this point. Second if you are placing the fate of your future in this group you are in for a VERY long, VERY sad life.

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Wed, 28 January 2009 07:31

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luv2pb wrote on Tue, 27 January 2009 22:59

SSnipe wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 00:00

Anyone? this my future here ;(

First off read what people have said to this point. Second if you are placing the fate of your future in this group you are in for a VERY long, VERY sad life.

Shut up, I have and still keep reading it but few things still escape me

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Wed, 28 January 2009 13:04

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C is basicly pretty much files of kinda anything while CE is more hands on with some of the same area as CS but more physical with hardware and software?

does that sound about right

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Re: Computer Science [message #369310 is a reply to message #369047]

Wed, 28 January 2009 13:58

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learning to program is like learning to play the piano.
it's best you start at a younger age.

If I were in your shoes and I didn't know how to code right now at your age, then I would be wary to go into programming. It is possible to learn, but you'd probably be way better at it had you started earlier.

Yes I know I am being negative, but I'm being realistic to an extent. That's just my opinion, if you think you can learn to code well then by all means.

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Wed, 28 January 2009 14:33

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C is basicly pretty much files of kinda anything while CE is more hands on with some of the same area as CS but more physical with hardware and software?

does that sound about right

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Xylaquin wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 12:58

learning to program is like learning to play the piano.
it's best you start at a younger age.

If I were in your shoes and I didn't know how to code right now at your age, then I would be wary to go into programming. It is possible to learn, but you'd probably be way better at it had you started earlier.

Yes I know I am being negative, but I'm being realistic to an extent. That's just my opinion, if you think you can learn to code well then by all means.

I know what you mean and I am going to try my best even if I cant become a programmer im still going to go to school for either computer science or engineering since computers are all im good at

On a side note anyone have some good books I can buy to teach me about c++ and programming?
google came up with c++ for dummies Wink

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Wed, 28 January 2009 22:33

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thb if you haven't done or learned any programming languages, why do you want to be a programmer? Do you actually know and understand what it involves? Unless its REALLY for you, writing code and staring at text, debugging, and figuring out new algorithms for efficiency may not be that exciting for you..

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Wed, 28 January 2009 22:40

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andr3w282 wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 21:33

thb if you haven't done or learned any programming languages, why do you want to be a programmer? Do you actually know and understand what it involves? Unless its REALLY for you, writing code and staring at text, debugging, and figuring out new algorithms for efficiency may not be that exciting for you..

Maybe who ever knows but atleast if I get a degree in either of the two I still have stuff I can fall back on since I really do wanna work with computers rest of my life, hell i already do everything I know on pc and im good with electronics, Im not sure 100% what I want which is why im asking to know more before I do something ill regret, but I still am doing reseach on what i want to do

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Wed, 28 January 2009 23:04

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SSnipe wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 21:40

andr3w282 wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 21:33

thb if you haven't done or learned any programming languages, why do you want to be a programmer? Do you actually know and understand what it involves? Unless its REALLY for you, writing code and staring at text, debugging, and figuring out new algorithms for efficiency may not be that exciting for you..

Maybe who ever knows but atleast if I get a degree in either of the two I still have stuff I can fall back on since I really do wanna work with computers rest of my life, hell i already do everything I know on pc and im good with electronics, Im not sure 100% what I want which is why im asking to know more before I do something ill regret, but I still am doing reseach on what i want to do

There's also the idea of the years of schooling that you will have to go through. Just for an example, if I wasn't REALLY into computers ( like if i was just the average user ) i would absolutely HATE my program and would have failed it after the first semester.

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Thu, 29 January 2009 00:05

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andr3w282 wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 22:04

SSnipe wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 21:40

andr3w282 wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 21:33

thb if you haven't done or learned any programming languages, why do you want to be a programmer? Do you actually know and understand what it involves? Unless its REALLY for you, writing code and staring at text, debugging, and figuring out new algorithms for efficiency may not be that exciting for you..

Maybe who ever knows but atleast if I get a degree in either of the two I still have stuff I can fall back on since I really do wanna work with computers rest of my life, hell i already do everything I know on pc and im good with electronics, Im not sure 100% what I want which is why im asking to know more before I do something ill regret, but I still am doing reseach on what i want to do

There's also the idea of the years of schooling that you will have to go through. Just for an example, if I wasn't REALLY into computers ( like if i was just the average user ) i would absolutely HATE my program and would have failed it after the first semester.

Well computers is the ONLY thing im into and I like, when i dont know something I try to learn about, I like learning about computers and such, Since I got on my first pc when i was 7 I never left it, I may not be so much smaller then most of you but im not stupid
and the c++ crap, Im not 100% i wanna do it thats why I want to make sure I know what CS and CE is along with what jobs come with them

imn buy some c++ learning books and see if I like it, I mean when i did simple chat hooks for renegade it made me happy even tho it was simple and easy like 2 year old shit I liked making something out of nothing but if not I still have either CE or CS to back up on

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Thu, 29 January 2009 00:26

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That would actually be my advice as well: start some self study on a rather easy programming language. Example: PHP.

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Thu, 29 January 2009 00:30

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Goztow wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 23:26

That would actually be my advice as well: start some self study on a rather easy programming language. Example: PHP.

What is the easiest programing language for things as programs? im really not into html,php, and sql or w/e

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Thu, 29 January 2009 09:18

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SSnipe wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 01:30

Goztow wrote on Wed, 28 January 2009 23:26

That would actually be my advice as well: start some self study on a rather easy programming language. Example: PHP.

What is the easiest programing language for things as programs? im really not into html,php, and sql or w/e

Download visual studio and try reading up on visual basic.

People may knock visual basic but it will allow you to expirement with the basics of things ( you know.. loops if statements sorting etc.. ) without having to worry about the syntax and a lot of background work.

You can even start it as a console and just write things to the console, or a new windows form project and make a visual application ( like notepad for example .. altho there is so much more that can be done with it )

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Re: Computer Science [message #369426 is a reply to message #369047]

Thu, 29 January 2009 09:56

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Computer Engineering is more about computer architecture and how it works on a lower level. CS is all about OS concepts and high level programming. I'm a Junior Electrical Engineer with Computer Engineering Option. I'm hoping to develop for embedded applications or develop embedded hardware. Something like working for Nikon, AMD, Nvidia, somebody creating actual devices and accompanying firmware.

It sounds like you want a regular CS degree Ssnipe.

As far as starting programming languages, you can't go wrong learning C/C++ and I don't think you can even call yourself CS without knowing some C/C++. I also really enjoy Java and it's a much easier platform to learn concepts like multithreading, sockets, the like prior to learning them in a C language.

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Thu, 29 January 2009 13:15

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Doitle wrote on Thu, 29 January 2009 08:56

Computer Engineering is more about computer architecture and how it works on a lower level. CS is all about OS concepts and high level programming. I'm a Junior Electrical Engineer with Computer Engineering Option. I'm hoping to develop for embedded applications or develop embedded hardware. Something like working for Nikon, AMD, Nvidia, somebody creating actual devices and accompanying firmware.

It sounds like you want a regular CS degree Ssnipe.

As far as starting programming languages, you can't go wrong learning C/C++ and I don't think you can even call yourself CS without knowing some C/C++. I also really enjoy Java and it's a much easier platform to learn concepts like multithreading, sockets, the like prior to learning them in a C language.

Thank you so much this my best answer yet

Hell lets say I do go for CS and lets say I do end up getting my degree, I might just do what my family does and go for another degree as in CE or maybe a master in CS but im thinking way to far ahead Smile

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when I get money Im buy some books on c++ is there any other books I should buy with that? maybe java?pearl? or what you think i'll need

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