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| Lone0001 wrote on Sun, 16 November 2008 15:54 |
I would really only use Win7 if I was forced to(if it came with the computer) or I would just prefer using XP, Vista is too unstable imo, and I did try to live with that annoying UAC but at one point it stopped me from extracting files to a location so I have it turned off again.
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Are there really so few people that have no problems with Vista? My copy has worked almost flawlessly, the *only* issue/BSOD that arose was with a sloppy NVIDIA sound card driver.
XP was just horrible here, constantly crashing and having serious slowdowns. Nevermind the lack of any basic networking drivers that work with my hardware, so after each "clean install" I'd be screwed until I found a driver disk. I'm never going back.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358743 is a reply to message #358631] |
Sun, 16 November 2008 19:39 |
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I've used Vista Business x86 and x64, and I am now on Server 2008 x64. Used all of these "extensively", and I have had 'zero' problems with the 6.~ operating system series. When I here people trash Vista, it really is because they have a few problems with their computer. The major causes being unsupported hardware or lack of hardware. The funny part being: developers, or the like, are some of the most destructive users to their environments, yet have the least problems.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358786 is a reply to message #358631] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 09:11 |
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I use both Vista and XP and see no reason to switch from either... (my own PC uses Vista and I sometimes use the family XP one)
Only things that haven't worked with Vista:
1) System Shock 2 - TBH, i expected that, it was a little difficult to get it to run on XP...
2) More importantly: network printing from here to the Epson Stylus D88+ hosted on the family XP machine. This. Has. Never. Worked. It won't work from Vista Premium 32 and 64 bit and Vista basic 32 bit. 
Vista is a lot of fun, and quite stable. (Does flip 3D for no good reason... heheehhehe, pretty...)
You're right, I develop software (in my infrequent spare time) and Vista is preferable.
As I've got a quad core and 2GB of RAM, performance was never going to be an issue, so I don't mind if Vista swallows up more CPU cycles than it should, I've got plenty.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358793 is a reply to message #358739] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 10:30 |
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| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 01:36 |
Are there really so few people that have no problems with Vista? My copy has worked almost flawlessly
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Ditto. I often think people hate Vista just because other people do and they just follow the crowd like sheep.
| Dave Anderson wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 02:39 |
The funny part being: developers, or the like, are some of the most destructive users to their environments, yet have the least problems.
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Very true!
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358797 is a reply to message #358631] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 10:43 |
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Vista has a lot of stuff XP does not, such as a half decent automatic backup system, even if it doesn't have much flexibility. Other things I quite like are the improved Windows menu, integrated Windows Update (and Microsoft Update if you opt-in to that) and superior reliability compared to XP in my personal experience.
I guess if you don't actually make use of the new features then no, Vista has nothing XP does not offer you. But, in the same way of thinking, does XP offer you anything that Windows 2000 didn't?
EDIT: And as for the FPS in games thing, I find Vista actually has a higher FPS in a lot of games than XP ever did. At launch Vista wasn't very good for gaming, but with all the updates since then it is on par with, if not better than, XP.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358798 is a reply to message #358796] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 10:43 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 11:38 |
| danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 17:30 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 01:36 |
Are there really so few people that have no problems with Vista? My copy has worked almost flawlessly
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Ditto. I often think people hate Vista just because other people do and they just follow the crowd like sheep.
| Dave Anderson wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 02:39 |
The funny part being: developers, or the like, are some of the most destructive users to their environments, yet have the least problems.
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Very true!
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I hate vista because it offers me nothing that XP doesn't yet it uses more harddrive space more ram more CPU. You play a game with XP and Vista on the same system and you get lower FPS with vista. Even if you have a decent computer.
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you can disable some of the ram consuming features
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358799 is a reply to message #358797] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 10:59 |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 17:43 |
Vista has a lot of stuff XP does not, such as a half decent automatic backup system, even if it doesn't have much flexibility. Other things I quite like are the improved Windows menu, integrated Windows Update (and Microsoft Update if you opt-in to that) and superior reliability compared to XP in my personal experience.
I guess if you don't actually make use of the new features then no, Vista has nothing XP does not offer you. But, in the same way of thinking, does XP offer you anything that Windows 2000 didn't?
EDIT: And as for the FPS in games thing, I find Vista actually has a higher FPS in a lot of games than XP ever did. At launch Vista wasn't very good for gaming, but with all the updates since then it is on par with, if not better than, XP.
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Well yeah its down to what people use. I dont need an automatic backup system. I only backup really important things onto a pen drive. The only other time I backup files is when im formatting and I dont want to have to readd my favs so I copy them. Improved menu? I dont call a flash, resource hungry menu an improved one. Im not one for auto updates, the last time I let windows update itself it downloaded a dodgy svchost and it took out my system, I was forced to format.
XP never crashes on me. I haven't had a BSOD in years that wasn't down to me. For example, overclocking my graphics card and windows didn't like the memory speed I set and BSOD'd midgame. I actually find that XP is very very stable. Less can be said for when I used vista, it locked up, refused to recognise hardware. I cannot compare XP to 2K since I never used it however I can compare it to 98SE... Ithink we all can.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358807 is a reply to message #358793] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 12:09 |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 10:30 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 01:36 |
Are there really so few people that have no problems with Vista? My copy has worked almost flawlessly
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Ditto. I often think people hate Vista just because other people do and they just follow the crowd like sheep.
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Much like everyone says they hate EA for when they've made good games? o.0?
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358809 is a reply to message #358799] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 12:25 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 17 November 2008 17:59 |
I cannot compare XP to 2K since I never used it however I can compare it to 98SE... Ithink we all can.
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98SE was the part of the 9x series of Windows, built on a completely different kernel. Comparing any of the 9x series with the NT series is kind of pointless since they are completely different codebases.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358854 is a reply to message #358631] |
Mon, 17 November 2008 18:37 |
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XP never crashes on me. I haven't had a BSOD in years that wasn't down to me. For example, overclocking my graphics card and windows didn't like the memory speed I set and BSOD'd midgame. I actually find that XP is very very stable. Less can be said for when I used vista, it locked up, refused to recognise hardware. I cannot compare XP to 2K since I never used it however I can compare it to 98SE... Ithink we all can.
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When I here people trash Vista, it really is because they have a few problems with their computer. The major causes being unsupported hardware or lack of hardware.
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A very poor metaphorical answer would be a house lock and house key. If you changed the locks to your house, you wouldn't get upset that your old house key is 'unsupported' by the new lock, right? Or if you tried to 'overclock' your key to work in the new lock, and it fit, but failed.. A very poor example indeed, but I think you should understand what I mean.
While seeing "Vista Certified" hardware does seem a bit cheesy, there is a reason its labeled so. You never saw XP "certified" hardware because there weren't so many drastic changes in the way things 'ticked'. In 6.~ there were quite a bit of changes, so the hardware industry had to play "research, try, fail, try again and succeed".
I'm not trying to down your personal opinions on Windows Vista, that's not my game. When it comes down to it though, a average end user cannot validly compare the stability of the operating system, merely since their views are mostly based on third party applications that crash, or old outdated hardware, or the lack of hardware. And no, I'm not saying you're just an 'average' user either; just using generalizations.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358876 is a reply to message #358854] |
Tue, 18 November 2008 05:47 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 01:37 |
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XP never crashes on me. I haven't had a BSOD in years that wasn't down to me. For example, overclocking my graphics card and windows didn't like the memory speed I set and BSOD'd midgame. I actually find that XP is very very stable. Less can be said for when I used vista, it locked up, refused to recognise hardware. I cannot compare XP to 2K since I never used it however I can compare it to 98SE... Ithink we all can.
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When I here people trash Vista, it really is because they have a few problems with their computer. The major causes being unsupported hardware or lack of hardware.
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A very poor metaphorical answer would be a house lock and house key. If you changed the locks to your house, you wouldn't get upset that your old house key is 'unsupported' by the new lock, right? Or if you tried to 'overclock' your key to work in the new lock, and it fit, but failed.. A very poor example indeed, but I think you should understand what I mean.
While seeing "Vista Certified" hardware does seem a bit cheesy, there is a reason its labeled so. You never saw XP "certified" hardware because there weren't so many drastic changes in the way things 'ticked'. In 6.~ there were quite a bit of changes, so the hardware industry had to play "research, try, fail, try again and succeed".
I'm not trying to down your personal opinions on Windows Vista, that's not my game. When it comes down to it though, a average end user cannot validly compare the stability of the operating system, merely since their views are mostly based on third party applications that crash, or old outdated hardware, or the lack of hardware. And no, I'm not saying you're just an 'average' user either; just using generalizations.
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Going with your example. Yes I made my XP crash because of something I did. If I didn't change the lock on my door my key would fit... However, I have never had any problems using my key in my normal lock. When I installed vista, my key often snapped or refused to engage the pins on the lock, that is why I dislike vista.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358885 is a reply to message #358876] |
Tue, 18 November 2008 09:14 |
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| Caveman wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 06:47 |
Going with your example. Yes I made my XP crash because of something I did. If I didn't change the lock on my door my key would fit... However, I have never had any problems using my key in my normal lock. When I installed vista, my key often snapped or refused to engage the pins on the lock, that is why I dislike vista.
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And yet, when your key kept on snapping, you went and got the exact same incompatible type of key and expected it to not to snap instead of finding a compatible one.
Vista's kernel version is 6.0, XP's is 5.1 and 2000's is 5.0. The last major kernel version increase was from NT4 to Windows 2000 and that broke ALOT more drivers/programs. Heck, the last major OS switch for the consumer side was ME to XP, which broke *all* the device drivers.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358890 is a reply to message #358631] |
Tue, 18 November 2008 11:22 |
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When I get a new computer in the next month or so, I'm probably going to get XP as the main OS and have a virtual installation of Vista and Windows7 to test/etc. 
It's not that I don't like Vista; I just like XP because it's familiar. I may upgrade to Vista. I'm still undecided about that atm.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #358904 is a reply to message #358885] |
Tue, 18 November 2008 13:39 |
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| Saberhawk wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 16:14 |
| Caveman wrote on Tue, 18 November 2008 06:47 |
Going with your example. Yes I made my XP crash because of something I did. If I didn't change the lock on my door my key would fit... However, I have never had any problems using my key in my normal lock. When I installed vista, my key often snapped or refused to engage the pins on the lock, that is why I dislike vista.
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And yet, when your key kept on snapping, you went and got the exact same incompatible type of key and expected it to not to snap instead of finding a compatible one.
Vista's kernel version is 6.0, XP's is 5.1 and 2000's is 5.0. The last major kernel version increase was from NT4 to Windows 2000 and that broke ALOT more drivers/programs. Heck, the last major OS switch for the consumer side was ME to XP, which broke *all* the device drivers.
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Wrong, I went out and got the proper key for the lock and it still snapped or refused to work. I installed the right drivers, I did all I could and yet things still refused to work. I shouldn't have to find special drivers so that my pen drive that works on 98SE and XP but not vista. I shouldn't have to press 50 security buttons just to make a connection to my own router.
Vista for me fails, they were so determined on making it so simple for the average user, they made it a PITA for people that know not to install dodgy files you might get sent in junk mail and whatnot.
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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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| Re: Windows7 [message #359143 is a reply to message #359054] |
Thu, 20 November 2008 14:02 |
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| z310 wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 21:13 |
| Ma1kel wrote on Wed, 19 November 2008 04:39 |
Nice pirating, I hope you feel good about yourselves. Damn godless communist bastards.
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lol irony 
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