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Living too close to a neighbor may not be very appealing, but when Earth's neighboring red planet moves closer than it's been in 50,000 years, observers expect nothing but acclaim.

Scientists and amateur astronomers will benefit from the spectacular view of Mars this August as it appears bigger and brighter than ever before, revealing its reflective south polar cap and whirling dust clouds.

On August 27, 2003, the fourth rock from the sun will be less than 55.76 million kilometers (34.65 million miles) away from the Earth. In comparison to the space between your house and your neighbor's yard, that may seem like a large distance, but Mars was about five times that distance from Earth only six months ago.

"Think of Earth and Mars as two race cars going around a track," said Dr. Myles Standish, an astronomer from NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "Earth is on a race track that is inside the track that Mars goes around, and neither track is perfectly circular. There is one place where the two race tracks are closest together. When Earth and Mars are at that place simultaneously, it is an unusually close approach, referred to as a 'perihelic opposition'."

Opposition is a term used when Earth and another planet are lined up in the same direction from the Sun. The term perihelic comes from perihelion, the point of orbit in which a celestial body is closest to the Sun. This August, Mars will reach its perihelion and be in line with Earth and the Sun at the same time.

The average opposition occurs about every two years, when Earth laps Mars on its orbit around the Sun. In 1995, the opposition brought Mars 101.1 million kilometers (62.8 million miles) from the Earth, twice as far as this most recent approach.

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/images/marsClose02_th200.jpg
This composite image of Earth and Mars was created to allow viewers to gain a better understanding of the relitive sizes of the two planets.

"It gets more complicated as the race tracks are changing shape and size and are rotating, changing their orientation," Standish explains. "So this place where the two tracks are closest together constantly changes, changing the opposition closeness as well. This is why a 'great' approach, like the one this month, hasn't happened in 50,000 years. But with the tracks closer together now, there will be even closer approaches in the relatively near future."

Aside from visiting a local observatory, peering through a telescope is the best way to take advantage of this unique opportunity. Since June, Mars has been noticeably bright in the night's sky, only outshined by Venus and the Moon. Observers in the Northern Hemisphere will see it glowing remarkably in the southern sky lying in the constellation Aquarius, best seen just before dawn.

"You're not going to go outside and see some big red ball in the sky. It will look like a bright red star," said Standish.

The word 'planet' is derived from the Greek expression for 'wanderer.' At such a close distance, Mars remains true to this expectation as it consistently wanders across the night's sky. Tracking the "red star's" movement from week to week is yet another way to appreciate this rare occasion, since Mars appears to dart across the sky in comparison to more distant planets, such as Jupiter.

Although Mars will be closest on August 27, astronomers suggest viewing the planet earlier, as dust storm season is just beginning on the red planet and can obstruct a more detailed view.

Whether you are viewing through a telescope, glancing through a pair of binoculars, or star-gazing outside the city, be sure to take advantage of this once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, for Mars will not make another neighborly visit this close until 2287.


Found this over at the official NASA website, also i've heard people talking about it..

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/spotlight/marsClose01.html


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Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35383] Fri, 01 August 2003 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I wonder how long it will take for Mars' path to erode or change enough that it colides with earth?

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Thanks for the tip. Time to dust off the telescope Very Happy

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Excellent pics from the Mars global Surveyor.

I am so proud of our country for it's space programs.


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Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35390] Fri, 01 August 2003 09:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not going to collide with us. It would have to pass through the asteroid belt before it would even be near enough to begin a collision sequence.

There is no threat from any of the planets in our system. All are locked in stable orbits and have been for millions of years.
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i thought mars was inside the asteroid belt?

whatever, we'll all be dead before anything really fun happens like doomsday
Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35396] Fri, 01 August 2003 10:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not sure there'll be much of the Earth left by the time Mars collides with it.

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It's not going to collide with us. It would have to pass through the asteroid belt before it would even be near enough to begin a collision sequence.


It could collide, but not in our nor likely humanity's lifetime.

And Mars is inside the asteroid belt. Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars are the four inner planets, with the outer planets being the gaseous giants, save for Pluto.

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All are locked in stable orbits and have been for millions of years.


You think millions of years are significant at all compared to the life of this planet?

Most scientists estimate the Earth to be 4.55 - 4.6 Billion years old.

One million out of 4.55 billion is the same as 1 out of 4,550, or 0.002%. Sure, if you want to say 500 million or more it takes a nice chunk out of 4,550, but 500/4,550 is still only 10%.
Mars to be closer to Earth then in 60,000 years [message #35406] Fri, 01 August 2003 10:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Mars isn't going to go anywhere... The planets have been stable for as long as we've existed, adding millions of years even before that. It's doubtful that anything major will happen to disrupt the orbits.
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There's no fear that another planet might hit earth, or at least it would be unlikely that human kind would still be here when it happens....asteroids, however, are much more hazardous. Just look at NASA's calculations...all those asteroids listed could hit earth.

http://neo.jpl.nasa.gov/risk/


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Excellent pics from the Mars global Surveyor.

I am so proud of our country for it's space programs.


Interesting pics there.

I can't wait for this, first time i'll ever see Mars properly, and the first time anyone here will have as well (unless you spy through a telescope).

BTW, You won't need a telescope to see this, it will be roughly the same size as the Moon.. or so i heard (but wouldnt it mean Mars would be even closer?), anyway, it will be a suberp sight to see Smile


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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/


Excellent pics from the Mars global Surveyor.

I am so proud of our country for it's space programs.


Interesting pics there.

I can't wait for this, first time i'll ever see Mars properly, and the first time anyone here will have as well (unless you spy through a telescope).

BTW, You won't need a telescope to see this, it will be roughly the same size as the Moon.. or so i heard (but wouldnt it mean Mars would be even closer?), anyway, it will be a suberp sight to see Smile


Whoa, as big as the moon? Gotta get my telescope too.

Trouble is, Matt, I bet the UK will get a big cloud cover for the event, as in most astronomic events. :rolleyes:


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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/


Excellent pics from the Mars global Surveyor.

I am so proud of our country for it's space programs.


Interesting pics there.

I can't wait for this, first time i'll ever see Mars properly, and the first time anyone here will have as well (unless you spy through a telescope).

BTW, You won't need a telescope to see this, it will be roughly the same size as the Moon.. or so i heard (but wouldnt it mean Mars would be even closer?), anyway, it will be a suberp sight to see Smile


Whoa, as big as the moon? Gotta get my telescope too.

Trouble is, Matt, I bet the UK will get a big cloud cover for the event, as in most astronomic events. :rolleyes:


ROFLMAO, You took the words right out of my mouth man LOL Laughing Laughing


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Mars isn't going to go anywhere... The planets have been stable for as long as we've existed, adding millions of years even before that. It's doubtful that anything major will happen to disrupt the orbits.


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Anway, How long is that? 17-20 years?

Doesn't compare to the 40 Something billion, lol.

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ok ACk and every body this is how it works, theres the sun mercury venus earth mars astroid belt jupiter satern uranus neptun pluto (i suppos most of you knew that) the paths are constently changeing but the farther away you get from the sun the more the paths will change such as pluto for exsample some times it becuse the 8th planet from the sun when it swichs with neptun. also as the sun enters its differnt "seasons" the gravitatal feild changes and planets orbits are slitly alterd maybe a few centimeters. also most orbits look like an egg shape like it seid in the text at the top but theat eeg shape is also ratating so the planet never in the same place every year (the planets you) which also dose stuff. also the planets gravitationinal feilds effect each other like our moon feild effects tides so if we have mars and the moon aline well have spring tides on the wroung side of the earth. but thats only minor but what can happen but has low probibility is that earth pulls one of mars's moons into our orbit which could cuase problems. what im trying to get at is it is posibal for mars to crash into earth but a colishion like that most likely wount be head on but more of a side swipe colitiotion and would knok the planets out of obit which could knok our plaent into a slow coures into the sun or a fast couse away or if your lucky earth will stay in its obit only slitly alterd path but the parts the hit could be eather smashed into the planet causing the crust to split very far across most of the planet, the other one and the one wrorse for earth is the crst would be tared away in the part that hit covering up part of the planet in back of the colition also spliting the crust more and caoseing the planet to spin faster. and thats about it

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you know nasa should have forsaw this and sped up there mars program then thay could get there in 146 days then in 2 years like it normely would.

2yr = 730 / 5 = 165 days
(acording to the text at the top mars is 5 times closer)


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It's not going to collide with us. It would have to pass through the asteroid belt before it would even be near enough to begin a collision sequence.

There is no threat from any of the planets in our system. All are locked in stable orbits and have been for millions of years.


ACk you don't know shit about our Solar System, Mars along with the other solid planets are on the inside of the Asteroid belt, where as the Gas Giants are on the outside, and no Pluto is not a planet, is is merely a giant Comet that got caught in the gravitational ring around the Sun, that is why it has such an odd orbit around the sun, jeeze I learned this in what, 2nd grade, 1st grade i dunno


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spreegem wrote "ACk you don't know shit about our Solar System"

I coundnt of seid it better

(im going to get so flamed for that...)


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It's not going to collide with us. It would have to pass through the asteroid belt before it would even be near enough to begin a collision sequence.

There is no threat from any of the planets in our system. All are locked in stable orbits and have been for millions of years.


ACk you don't know shit about our Solar System, Mars along with the other solid planets are on the inside of the Asteroid belt, where as the Gas Giants are on the outside, and no Pluto is not a planet, is is merely a giant Comet that got caught in the gravitational ring around the Sun, that is why it has such an odd orbit around the sun, jeeze I learned this in what, 2nd grade, 1st grade i dunno


Yeah, I do. Just happened to mislabel its position in planetary orbit.

Yes, Pluto is a planet. I doubt the opinion of a 12 year old will outweigh that of numerous scientists and astronomists who've studied this countless times...
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why do people always bring age into this kinda stuff, and why does every one think im 12!!! im 14!!! and i am very smart, still age dosent matter much enless your below 10 which is when your brian is still foming the quickest.
and im not trying to be better then asroligists i just say what i know and if i dont know it i dont say it.


would it be hard to have a spell cheack intigrated in to the forums?


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http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/


Excellent pics from the Mars global Surveyor.

I am so proud of our country for it's space programs.


Interesting pics there.

I can't wait for this, first time i'll ever see Mars properly, and the first time anyone here will have as well (unless you spy through a telescope).

BTW, You won't need a telescope to see this, it will be roughly the same size as the Moon.. or so i heard (but wouldnt it mean Mars would be even closer?), anyway, it will be a suberp sight to see Smile


I sincerely doubt the Mars will be the same angular size as the moon, that would be an insanely large distance fluctuation, since it appears to look like just a reddish star normally.


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I sincerely doubt the Mars will be the same angular size as the moon, that would be an insanely large distance fluctuation, since it appears to look like just a reddish star normally.


probibly wont seem as big as the moon but close becuse of the way this event happens (its 5 times closer) and becuse its huge compaired to the moon.

ill try and get some percis info on this and make some models to see if it is true.


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It's not going to collide with us. It would have to pass through the asteroid belt before it would even be near enough to begin a collision sequence.

There is no threat from any of the planets in our system. All are locked in stable orbits and have been for millions of years.


ACk you don't know shit about our Solar System, Mars along with the other solid planets are on the inside of the Asteroid belt, where as the Gas Giants are on the outside, and no Pluto is not a planet, is is merely a giant Comet that got caught in the gravitational ring around the Sun, that is why it has such an odd orbit around the sun, jeeze I learned this in what, 2nd grade, 1st grade i dunno


And you know more about our solar system than he does? Pluto might not be a planet in your messed up little world, but in reality, Pluto is indeed a planet. Who the hell did you get that from?

Need proof?

Exhibit A:
Dictionary.com

plan·et
n.
A nonluminous celestial body larger than an asteroid or comet, illuminated by light from a star, such as the sun, around which it revolves. In the solar system there are nine known planets: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto.


Exhibit B:
Dictionary.com

Plu·to
n.
1. Roman Mythology. The god of the dead and the ruler of the underworld.
2. The ninth and usually farthest planet from the sun, having a sidereal period of revolution about the sun of 248.5 years, 4.4 billion kilometers (2.8 billion miles) distant at perihelion and 7.4 billion kilometers (4.6 billion miles) at aphelion, and a diameter less than half that of Earth.


Exhibit C:
http://usenet.net.nz/nineplanets/overview.html


The planets of the outer solar system are Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune and Pluto



Exhibit D:
http://seds.lpl.arizona.edu/nineplanets/nineplanets/pluto.html


Pluto is the farthest planet from the Sun (usually) and by far the smallest.



Pluto is a planet, just because it might have been a comet before it was trapped in our Sun's orbit doesn't change the fact that it is a planet.


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oh ha ha i just read all what speegem wrote, you bolth dont know anything about the solersytem, who would think pluto isent a planet? ha ha ha

and by the way dose any one know where i can get a chart of all the sizes of the planets?
also how far is the moon from the earth?


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I sincerely doubt the Mars will be the same angular size as the moon, that would be an insanely large distance fluctuation, since it appears to look like just a reddish star normally.


probibly wont seem as big as the moon but close becuse of the way this event happens (its 5 times closer) and becuse its huge compaired to the moon.

ill try and get some percis info on this and make some models to see if it is true.


Yet, you say this, and you think I don't know anything about astronomy?

:rolleyes:

If fuckwits like you would read the article, it says that Mars will appear like a larger reddish star in the sky during the period it's closest to us. It will not appear to be larger than the Moon. That's like saying that Jupiter will look like three times the Moon's size because it's the largest planet in the solar system...
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