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Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 04:18 Go to next message
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Don't get me wrong, shit's great for maps and texture tweaks...

But umm.. Custom sounds..? don't get me wrong.. if you like being annoyed the fuck out of with custom sounds, that's cool by me.. But is there a possibility to disable them client side?

I really don't want to waste disk space, and have my music interrupted by sounds I really don't want.


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348490 is a reply to message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 04:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The solution is to really not play on servers who have them then. There is no reasonable way for us to disable annoying sounds on custom maps.

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348499 is a reply to message #348490] Thu, 28 August 2008 07:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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StealthEye wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 12:26

The solution is to really not play on servers who have them then. There is no reasonable way for us to disable annoying sounds on custom maps.


not sounds on custom maps, sounds played such as "Boom headshot" when you get a headshot, etc.


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348503 is a reply to message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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What part of "map" don't you understand? It will never download anything that applies globally.

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348561 is a reply to message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I know that BR likes to play sounds when you type certain things. That's why I generally don't play on servers with BR. You get someone spamming "gg" or "wasted" over and over, and you just get fed up with it.

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348562 is a reply to message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 16:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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AFAIK, those sounds are pre-made into Renegade, just never really used. Hooray for completed production...

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348590 is a reply to message #348561] Thu, 28 August 2008 21:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Stewie wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 19:26

I know that BR likes to play sounds when you type certain things. That's why I generally don't play on servers with BR. You get someone spamming "gg" or "wasted" over and over, and you just get fed up with it.


Thats built into NR, versus an additional plugin in BR so...
Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348595 is a reply to message #348488] Thu, 28 August 2008 23:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's a plugin indd. It's up to the server owners to enable it.

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348600 is a reply to message #348503] Fri, 29 August 2008 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ghostshaw wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 15:36

What part of "map" don't you understand? It will never download anything that applies globally.


ok you're now confusing me.

I'm talking about stuff like.. I'm sure you've played counter-strike and Source mm'kay? When joining a server sometimes it will make you download custom sounds (Which thankfully you can disable on Source games), And basically.. that is what I'm talking about, so is there any chance you can disable the sounds being downloaded onto your pc client side?

Hope this is making more sense, if not I give up.


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348601 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 00:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It will download a .mix archive with the map. Although it's possible to include custom sounds in a map it's not common practice. It's up to the map makers not to put annoying sounds in the maps. Then it's up to the server owners to not use bad maps (annoying sounds). And it's up to you to chose a server that choses maps you like and which does not have sounds.

So basically, at the moment it's technically possible to have custom sounds in a custom map, but I see no reason to be afraid of custom sounds becoming popular.


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348602 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 00:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The same counts for custom skins. A map maker could make all snipers bright green ...

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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348611 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 03:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not talking about custom maps WITH custom sounds, I'm talking about sounds, and sounds alone, being downloaded onto your computer.

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Only mix-files will be downloaded, so it seems. This means that if a server owner wants to change custom sounds in standard maps, he'll need to edit every standard map, name then complex2.mix, field2.mix, ... and you'll download all these files before entering the server.

A question I got: will the downloader delete all files you downloaded when you leave the server? If not, what if two servers have maps with the same name that have different content or if a serevr made an update of a map? Will it detect this and overwrite the old one?


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name then complex2.mix, field2.mix


Well, what if there are two people that have Complex2.mix made for their server. What is gonna happen?
Well, i think that they need to make it "C&C_Complex_<creatornick> "


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348616 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 04:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not name based, it's hash based. Multiple files with the same name should not give any problems at all.

Downloaded files will be cached somehow. The details are not yet known, but the idea is to have some kind of cache limit and it removes old stuff from the cache. There would be some possibility to save a downloaded file permanently though.

For now, only maps will be downloadable. Exactly as Gozy said, adding custom sounds is only possible by cloning the originals and changing the maps to have different sounds.


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Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348619 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 05:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can i add new vehicles, weapons etc. to my server without that
they need to redownload a standard map ? because i want to use
the sidebar and add new vehicles to the menu.
Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348620 is a reply to message #348619] Fri, 29 August 2008 06:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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madrackz wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 14:44

Can i add new vehicles, weapons etc. to my server without that
they need to redownload a standard map ? because i want to use
the sidebar and add new vehicles to the menu.

It'll be just the same as with sounds: they'll have to redownload all your maps.

It's the best way to make sure there ain't too much trash handed out, I suppose.


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StealthEye wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 07:29

It's not name based, it's hash based. Multiple files with the same name should not give any problems at all.

Downloaded files will be cached somehow. The details are not yet known, but the idea is to have some kind of cache limit and it removes old stuff from the cache. There would be some possibility to save a downloaded file permanently though.

For now, only maps will be downloadable. Exactly as Gozy said, adding custom sounds is only possible by cloning the originals and changing the maps to have different sounds.


What about renaming them to original sound file names, so it plays it, but it wouldn't be the same sound?
Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348622 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 06:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As the sound is IN the .mix, I suppose it would only work for that map.

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Goztow wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 09:15

As the sound is IN the .mix, I suppose it would only work for that map.


Well, like most things, the original "stock" sounds are actually in the strings/always/2 files, and by putting a sound with the same name byitself in the data folder, will tell the client to then play that instead, but yes certain maps have additional sounds, but the ones everyones talking about (moo, gg, owned, etc and even a new BOOM HEADSHOT one), won't have to mapped based.
Re: Auto-downloader.. How much control does it have..? [message #348624 is a reply to message #348488] Fri, 29 August 2008 08:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The files will not end up in the data folder at all. I don't see what's unclear about what I said, but it's simple as this: the custom sounds (any custom things) are only available in the map that was downloaded. As soon as you play another map, you won't notice anything about the map you downloaded earlier.

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What about custom skins? For example in some servers in cs:s, Admins will get custom skins with ADMIN in big bold letters on the backside and frontside, and donaters and such will get too choose from a set of skins.

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You mean different per player? That's not straightforward to do, even with the auto map downloader.

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XCorupt69 wrote on Fri, 29 August 2008 00:43

Stewie wrote on Thu, 28 August 2008 19:26

I know that BR likes to play sounds when you type certain things. That's why I generally don't play on servers with BR. You get someone spamming "gg" or "wasted" over and over, and you just get fed up with it.


Thats built into NR, versus an additional plugin in BR so...


Actually if I remember correctly it is added to NR with a plugin(made by PSUfan) also(unless it's included now, which I don't think it is).


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ok now I understand what you guys were talking about, so the auto-downloader only downloads maps? Sexy.

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