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| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347209 is a reply to message #347205] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 21:06 |
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| Crimson wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 22:22 |
| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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Yeah they probably didn't notice. Points is not a game breaking issue and it's nothing worth "fixing."
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347216 is a reply to message #347209] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 22:15 |
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| Rocko wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 23:06 |
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 22:22 |
| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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Yeah they probably didn't notice. Points is not a game breaking issue and it's nothing worth "fixing."
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So because they didn't notice it, we need to go unfixing things? 
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347223 is a reply to message #347216] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 23:16 |
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| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 00:15 |
| Rocko wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 23:06 |
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 22:22 |
| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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Yeah they probably didn't notice. Points is not a game breaking issue and it's nothing worth "fixing."
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So because they didn't notice it, we need to go unfixing things?
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no but the point is that if the majority of players, the ones who just play once in awhile and never talk at all, floating throughout the game servers, did not care about points enough to quit over it, then it's obviously not a big issue. They would probably be happy either way.
Jelly Marathon has no points fix and it's full at almost 50 players almost every day. And n00bstories does has have points fix and it does get a lot of players. I don't think many people care about fixing it or not. And if they do then at least they have the choice to decide if they want to go to Jelly-Marathon and play without points fix, or go to noobstories if they want a points fixed game.
If you force it on everyone because it's what you believe is right, and just disregard what the people who do talk and disagree with points fix than how can that be a good thing?
Coder's honor? lol how stupid is that.
p.s. Has anyone seen the anti-TT petition on MCD?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347225 is a reply to message #347223] |
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| Rocko wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 02:16 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 00:15 |
| Rocko wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 23:06 |
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 22:22 |
| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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Yeah they probably didn't notice. Points is not a game breaking issue and it's nothing worth "fixing."
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So because they didn't notice it, we need to go unfixing things?
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p.s. Has anyone seen the anti-TT petition on MCD?
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MCD? Post a link, I wanna see this lol.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347226 is a reply to message #347223] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 23:36 |
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| Rocko wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 01:16 |
no but the point is that if the majority of players, the ones who just play once in awhile and never talk at all, floating throughout the game servers, did not care about points enough to quit over it, then it's obviously not a big issue. They would probably be happy either way.
Jelly Marathon has no points fix and it's full at almost 50 players almost every day. And n00bstories does has have points fix and it does get a lot of players. I don't think many people care about fixing it or not. And if they do then at least they have the choice to decide if they want to go to Jelly-Marathon and play without points fix, or go to noobstories if they want a points fixed game.
If you force it on everyone because it's what you believe is right, and just disregard what the people who do talk and disagree with points fix than how can that be a good thing?
Coder's honor? lol how stupid is that.
p.s. Has anyone seen the anti-TT petition on MCD?
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Honestly, I wasn't the one that implemented the pointsfix, it's not even close to "my department".
I take pride in the fact that the bulk of what I do often gets completely overlooked by players. That means I'm doing it right. 
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347227 is a reply to message #347225] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 23:38 |
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| u6795 wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 01:19 |
| Rocko wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 02:16 |
| Saberhawk wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 00:15 |
| Rocko wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 23:06 |
| Crimson wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 22:22 |
| kong009 wrote on Sun, 17 August 2008 16:11 |
You have data that clearly indicate the unpopularity of the pointsfix, yet you don't acknowledge it or attempt to find solutions that everyone will be happy with. I see that as YOUR responsibility, since you are attempting to make this a mandatory patch.
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You are squeaky wheels trying to get grease. Just because there's like 10 people on the forums bitching doesn't mean that the 10,000+ players who are still playing agree with you. My server is full or close to it almost all the time, so clearly there can't be a huge amount of people who oppose it. In fact, most of them probably didn't even notice anything different.
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Yeah they probably didn't notice. Points is not a game breaking issue and it's nothing worth "fixing."
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So because they didn't notice it, we need to go unfixing things?
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p.s. Has anyone seen the anti-TT petition on MCD?
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MCD? Post a link, I wanna see this lol.
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Okay here it is, there's at least 50 different people who signed it.
http://www.mcd-server.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=3067
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347228 is a reply to message #346858] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 23:38 |
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Number of players isn't influenced by point fix but by a load of other factors: moderators, popularity of other servers, a0000000000000000, community feeling, the fact friends play somewhere, some server side mods, the weather (!),...
Our server has had less and more players over a period of time with or without point fix. We never changed any other setting, really either. It's mostly seasons playing: in summer there's less people cause they are on holidays / enjoy the nice weather; in september/october a lot of people come back to play more and in winter times we also see an increase. Maybe that's what happened on Jelly too. I can't believe any player would be stupid enough to leave because their sakura doesn't make 10 points/credits per hit anymore.
Edit: never heard of these MCD-dudes and cba to register just to read a topic.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347229 is a reply to message #347228] |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 02:38 |
Number of players isn't influenced by point fix but by a load of other factors: moderators, popularity of other servers, a0000000000000000, community feeling, the fact friends play somewhere, some server side mods, the weather (!),...
Our server has had less and more players over a period of time with or without point fix. We never changed any other setting, really either. It's mostly seasons playing: in summer there's less people cause they are on holidays / enjoy the nice weather; in september/october a lot of people come back to play more and in winter times we also see an increase. Maybe that's what happened on Jelly too. I can't believe any player would be stupid enough to leave because their sakura doesn't make 10 points/credits per hit anymore.
Edit: never heard of these MCD-dudes and cba to register just to read a topic.
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A lot of new players just want to buy expensive characters, without easy money they can't do that.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347231 is a reply to message #347229] |
Sun, 17 August 2008 23:47 |
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| Homey wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 08:44 |
A lot of new players just want to buy expensive characters, without easy money they can't do that.
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Most new players I encounter just buy rather cheap characters like sbh, officer, ...
If money flow is a problem, then why not increase the number of credits per second to 3?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347259 is a reply to message #347231] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 06:36 |
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| Goztow wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 07:47 |
| Homey wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 08:44 |
A lot of new players just want to buy expensive characters, without easy money they can't do that.
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Most new players I encounter just buy rather cheap characters like sbh, officer, ...
If money flow is a problem, then why not increase the number of credits per second to 3?
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You can't really look at it that way, not if the ladder wont accommodate leaving the points as they are. Although this whole argument is quite pathetic if you ask me.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347266 is a reply to message #346858] |
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The reason is that a points fix server feels more natural. The team that did a better job, wins the game... ridiculous nonsense strategies don't work anymore... when both teams are doing well, the score is close until the bitter end. It's more exciting to play and less frustrating, and I know it will be even better when these other bugs are fixed, too. It's gonna be so great to play without having to worry about loading my pistol, getting in a vehicle at the wrong time and getting into blue hell, getting killed by the WF bug as I'm planting a nuke. All of the elements we love, none of the BS we don't. I'm VERY excited about it!
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347277 is a reply to message #347270] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 09:39 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:01 |
Wow, see to counter the points fix Spoony and BI suggest now changing around the way credits works ingame (Bi says to change it to 3/creds/sec, and spoony says to change the cost value of some units).... Does anyone else realize how fucking stupid that is? To implement this fix, this means you completely fuck over the most important aspect of the game, how much/fast money you get in order to BUY UNITS. Unless everyone use free units then I guess this wouldn't be an issue, but fixing points to fuck over credits? Points is atleast playable, and credits is fine with this system, but if you fix points, then we would be in a worse position (gameplay wise) because of the credit system...Everything just points to it not being worth it...
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Because clearly, the pointsfix will only apply to Nod. GDI will still be able to ramjet shit for money, right?
Dumbass, Nod and GDI will be at equal levels still, unless you count that mammoths won't give the enemy a ton of points now. Which clearly, was NOT intended. Mammoths are supposed to be slow but awesome, not slow and just outright fail in every aspect.
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Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!   
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347278 is a reply to message #347270] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 09:41 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:01 |
Wow, see to counter the points fix Spoony and BI suggest now changing around the way credits works ingame (Bi says to change it to 3/creds/sec, and spoony says to change the cost value of some units)....
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Easy tiger, I didn't say either of those two things.
I never commented at all on the 3-creds-a-second business, and as for the sakura/stank business, I was not saying "make stanks more expensive and make sakuras cheaper". OTHER PEOPLE were bitching about the fact that with the pointsfix, you get more points killing a sakura than a stank (99 > 90). My rebuttal is this (and has never been debunked yet): if that's what you think, why aren't you calling for stanks to be made more expensive or sakuras to be made cheaper?
that is aside from the rather amusing point that the same people who think 99 points is too much for killing a sakura, don't have a problem with getting 300+ points killing a big slow defenceless harvester.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347282 is a reply to message #347278] |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:41 |
that is aside from the rather amusing point that the same people who think 99 points is too much for killing a sakura, don't have a problem with getting 300+ points killing a big slow defenceless harvester.
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With that very Sakura, too, lol.
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347291 is a reply to message #346858] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 11:33 |
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I'm not a part of BlackIntel, it seems like Troop is spitting out even more nonsense than usual. I just told people that if their argument to keep the point bug was because you don't get enough quick money otherwise, they should change the income per second. It seems to make more sense, no? Well, to most people in here it would...
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347309 is a reply to message #347278] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 13:31 |
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| Spoony wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:41 |
| trooprm02 wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:01 |
Wow, see to counter the points fix Spoony and BI suggest now changing around the way credits works ingame (Bi says to change it to 3/creds/sec, and spoony says to change the cost value of some units)....
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Easy tiger, I didn't say either of those two things.
I never commented at all on the 3-creds-a-second business, and as for the sakura/stank business, I was not saying "make stanks more expensive and make sakuras cheaper". OTHER PEOPLE were bitching about the fact that with the pointsfix, you get more points killing a sakura than a stank (99 > 90). My rebuttal is this (and has never been debunked yet): if that's what you think, why aren't you calling for stanks to be made more expensive or sakuras to be made cheaper?
that is aside from the rather amusing point that the same people who think 99 points is too much for killing a sakura, don't have a problem with getting 300+ points killing a big slow defenceless harvester.
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okay then, make stanks more expensive and make sakuras cheaper.
I don't know how much of a point that is though spoony. It seems silly that the game works perfectly fine the way it is, but a group of people take it upon themselves to speak for all of a renegade and force a point system changing patch. And it's not even 100% working if you then even have to change price values and use retarded things like donate in order to balance the game out completely.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347311 is a reply to message #346858] |
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Rocko, I don't think WW foresaw marathon in their plans for Renegade.
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347316 is a reply to message #347309] |
Mon, 18 August 2008 14:22 |
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Donate doesn't balance things out, nor does changing price values. And Spoony never said so, where did u read that?
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| Re: Fixing... Points? [message #347328 is a reply to message #347266] |
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| What Crimson wrote on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:00 |
It's gonna be so great to play without having to worry about loading my pistol, getting in a vehicle at the wrong time and getting into blue hell, getting killed by the WF bug as I'm planting a nuke. All of the elements we love, none of the BS we don't. I'm VERY excited about it!
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| What Crimson Meant on Mon, 18 August 2008 11:00 |
Look at the big shiny glowing ball, isn't it pretty? no.. don't look away at that little blemish, look here, at the big shiny glowing ball, that's all you should be worrying about... ingore all the other stuff that isn't so great, big shiny ball.. over here...
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This whole "wait until the beta and see how many people support it" is a farce.. What you should really be saying is "Wait until the beta, when the only cheat free servers are running it, then tell me if you still care." THAT is a more accurate statement. "If you want all our cheat free stuff, you have to swallow the few things you don't like.. that way we can show EA just how much support we have for our project!"
The other servers will be like "hey guys, come to our server that cheaters still play on, and get an extra 100 points for shooting at tanks.." How many people will be going there? And how many server owners will want to make a concious decision to go that route? Hardly any, I'm sure.. guaranteeing you that you will be able to show this "overwhelming support" of the community to EA...
It's a crock of shit, honestly...
No one fron TT has any other response, to anything else I've asked? just look at the shiny ball?
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