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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346431 is a reply to message #346421] |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:18 |
Anyone who wants glitches to remain is only concerned with their own self-interest, and is therefore, a table-scrap pilfering grab-ass.
I find it hilarious how much opposition some people have against these fixes... it's a video game for Chrissake. If someone is actually half-decent at Renegade, they'll adapt to these changes.
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BUT LAWL THEY R TEH PROEZ, U AHS NO IDEA WUT UR TALKIN BOUT U NEVER PLAYED RENEGAED EVAR!!1
TEH GLITCHES MAKE TEH GAEM GOOD OMG, U FIX THEM U FUX UP ALL TEH PRO PLAYERS!!!!!
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346439 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 12:48 |
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| Nune wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 16:44 |
I appreciate a lot of the shit you are doing, but some stuff is pissing me off.
You aren't listening to people!
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Can You Guys Make It That When You Host A Game And You Set The Player Count To More That 1 You Don't Have The "Game Play Is Pending.". Thing, Can You Make The Weapons Spawn After You Kill Somebody, Tune Up The Whole Thing Because There Are A Lot Of Things That Don't Work Whey You Host A Game Like It Being Laddered And Hopefully People With This New Scripts That You Guys Are Working On Can Automatically Download The Maps Without Having To Download A Big Map Pack But Please Fix The Host A Game Option It Can Be Better And More Dinamic I Think.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346440 is a reply to message #346439] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 12:49 |
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| thrash300 wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 14:48 |
| Nune wrote on Sun, 10 August 2008 16:44 |
I appreciate a lot of the shit you are doing, but some stuff is pissing me off.
You aren't listening to people!
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Can You Guys Make It That When You Host A Game And You Set The Player Count To More That 1 You Don't Have The "Game Play Is Pending.". Thing, Can You Make The Weapons Spawn After You Kill Somebody, Tune Up The Whole Thing Because There Are A Lot Of Things That Don't Work Whey You Host A Game Like It Being Laddered And Hopefully People With This New Scripts That You Guys Are Working On Can Automatically Download The Maps Without Having To Download A Bit Map Pack But Please Fix The Host A Game Option It Can Be Better I Think.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346445 is a reply to message #346434] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 15:31 |
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| karmai wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 20:05 |
The players (troopm, nunega) that are complaining about the patch, and saying you guys suck hardly qualify as good players.. they dont know what they're talking about, ignore those idiots
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first of all you suck, secondly simpee is complaining and he is one of the best renegaders around... theres more but im lazy.
The outside pt fix is the only thing I really have a issue with atm anyway.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346446 is a reply to message #346350] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 16:12 |
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| Spoony wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 08:51 |
nobody uses nukes in clanwars anyway precisely because they're underpowered; they're too expensive considering the likelihood they will be disarmed, which is high.
they're used perhaps one game in 100, and more often fail than succeed.
if anything, making PTs unaccessible through walls will mean there's a damn point buying an SBH nuke in a clanwar - there currently is not.
as for the flame tank, sorry but you don't need to right click to rape infantry with a flamer. I've always found it damn easy to kill infantry with the flamer jets if I can get close, long before I knew about the right-click thing.
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I usually agree with most of what you say, dont have a big problem with points fix etc, but every single statement in there is inncorrect.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346449 is a reply to message #346445] |
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| Nune wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 17:31 |
| karmai wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 20:05 |
The players (troopm, nunega) that are complaining about the patch, and saying you guys suck hardly qualify as good players.. they dont know what they're talking about, ignore those idiots
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first of all you suck, secondly simpee is complaining and he is one of the best renegaders around... theres more but im lazy.
The outside pt fix is the only thing I really have a issue with atm anyway.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346450 is a reply to message #346445] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 17:54 |
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| Nune wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 00:31 |
| karmai wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 20:05 |
The players (troopm, nunega) that are complaining about the patch, and saying you guys suck hardly qualify as good players.. they dont know what they're talking about, ignore those idiots
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first of all you suck, secondly simpee is complaining and he is one of the best renegaders around... theres more but im lazy.
The outside pt fix is the only thing I really have a issue with atm anyway.
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The only one that sucks here is YOU, and you know WHY?
Because you lack the intelligence required to have a normal, decent conversation/discussion. It does NOT make ANY sense to say he sucks or whatever, specially not when you're just to fucking moronic to supply arguments of ANY KIND.
I'm not even asking for DECENT arguments, even though that would be even better for the conversation.
Also, IF YOU want us to do something for you, like in this case not fix the PT bug thingy, then we would much rather listen to someone that just speaks normal English without any kind of faul language, and has the decency to actively engage in an discussion backed up with arguments.
If you don't do this, we're not even able to help you properly. Another thing that you would need to do is properly read what has been said.
None of TT has ever said we would change the PT (bugs). We where just thinking out loud and replying to someone that suggested that the PT's are bugged. Which (specially with his arguments) seems a very valid complaint. For just that reason we've already more or less chosen his side, at least unintentionally.
Think about it, if you are going in to a discussion with you accepting that you might chance opinions, you'll be much better in influencing the situation. Discussions usually leads to compromises. If you start a proper discussion, and are not afraid to chance opinion on the matter, then the results of that discussion will most likely be much better for you then they would've been if you would've just been negative and not giving any constructive comment/arguments.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346453 is a reply to message #346314] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 18:52 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 02:46 |
Is it just me or haven't i actually heard anyone from TT claim that they will stop PT being used from the outside? I don't even know who brought it up but I don't think it's one of the TT-coders.
The solution of putting PT's on the outside would be a nice compromis as everyone except for new players already use it this way! So why not make it obvious for all  .
Also: this patch should be suitable for both CW's and public gaming, keep that in mind! It should stay as balanced on 1v1 - 50v50 as renegade is now!
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How did it come up? It started in another topic when SSnipe asked a list of questions, one of which asked if the outside access of PTs would be fixed, and a member of Tiberium Technologies responded with "That's used by so many people, I don't think fixing it would be good.". I later chimed in with my input. Another member in this topic brought up how stupid fixing it would be (this was Nune about 1/3 of the way through the second page), and then I responded, and it went from there.
I don't know what Tiberium Technologies is doing in regard to this. One said what I quoted above, and another said "If something can be identified as a bug in renegade, I for one intend to do everything I can to get it fixed, even if its not necessarily all that big.". I'm not a coder, but it's apparent PTs weren't meant to be accessed from the outside we'd see them outside. For this reason, I disagree with actually adding PTs to the outside as well, because it wasn't intended. That would be changing gameplay from what was intended.
I say again. Bugs are bugs. They aren't intended, and if found to be as such, should be fixed to instate what was intended to be. People whining about how it changes their gameplay because they like/have gotten used to these exploits is a poor excuse to leave a bug. If Westwood wasn't disbanded, we'd probably have Renegade now without the points bug, without outside PT access, and with a plethora of other changes, perhaps even the completed game that was planned. Either way, they'd of fixed it, and fixing these things is the goal of Tiberium Technologies, so why shouldn't they?
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346454 is a reply to message #346445] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 19:15 |
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| Nune wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 18:31 |
| karmai wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 20:05 |
The players (troopm, nunega) that are complaining about the patch, and saying you guys suck hardly qualify as good players.. they dont know what they're talking about, ignore those idiots
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first of all you suck, secondly simpee is complaining and he is one of the best renegaders around... theres more but im lazy.
The outside pt fix is the only thing I really have a issue with atm anyway.
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ive been playing with and against simpee for years, we've been in clans together many times..
you have no idea who i am, or how good i am.
If you're going to say i suck, back it up with a 1v1, you don't know who you're talking to idiot
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346461 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 20:29 |
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In another topic you said that you were going to fix outside pts.
@ ewd why get so personal, I have supplied valid arguments over the changed to gameplay that would occur about 5 pages back, I don't really want to repeat myself over and over... especially as it seems more and more like you just don't give a <insert crude word>.
When half the ren community is divided over a ideology(this being whether or not outside pts should be fixed) you TT lot keep just assuming you are right, you have spoony, your balance coordinator who hasn't played a cw in months and a few posts back provided very inaccurate summations. Therefore why not listen to others when they come to the forums trying to give their opinions instead you just pretend liek you have listened and then do whatever you want... as a result topics like this occur then you get all in a tuff because someone is spelling it out for. You all have degrees or whatever and therefore assume you are smarter, but how can someone who never listens be smart.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346480 is a reply to message #345981] |
Tue, 12 August 2008 23:48 |
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Just because something is a bug or wasn't intended doesn't make it inherently bad. Perhaps some things weren't suppose to happen, but out of the accidents that happened it became something even better than before. I don't think anything outside of core issues like crashing and cheating issues should be dealt with as most everything else is heavily affected by opinion. and who's to say that the non-elected TT crew is correct or the random public is correct?
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346482 is a reply to message #346413] |
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| Nune wrote on Tue, 12 August 2008 12:47 |
wtf spoony people use nukes in cws all the time, earlier today in 5v5 game we had 3 arts @ base entrance on islands gdi had meds defending, someone places nuke and arts cover it... gg due to nuke.
It wasn't a last option it was just a option.
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let me get this straight, five GDI players lost meds to three arts?
sorry, but the nuke isn't why you won. reminds me of icesword's now-legendary teamspeak rant.
karmai's being unusually correct today btw.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346489 is a reply to message #346478] |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 02:41 |
I'll give you a good reason to keep PT outside: double nuke spots.
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What do you mean by that?
Edit: Rocko, that was probably the best post I've ever seen you write, and one of the better ones in this topic. I agree with all of that, but I think this bug does more bad than good. I see two reasons against this. The first is personal opinion (due to laziness/being used to using an exploit), and that's obviously not a reason, and the other is about SBH nuking, but this makes them near useless. The SBH doesn't have a very powerful weapon, and it's noisy as heck, so it's clear he was intended more for nuking than anything else, and now this said character and said Nod strategy of doing this is much more useless due to this bug. The costs and balance were gotten into before, and it was well balanced before, but this bug destroys the balance.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346491 is a reply to message #345981] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 00:54 |
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if you guys dont fix the PTs on the outside of buildings whats the fucking point of patching up the game?
thats a huge fucking glitch, and problem.
also fix the problem where sometimes you can't even use the PT and you've gotta leaev and rejoin to access it.
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| Re: Quit fixing stuff that no one wants you to fix [message #346492 is a reply to message #346490] |
Wed, 13 August 2008 01:03 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 August 2008 03:31 |
That you can kill more than one building by one nuke on multiple maps. I don't know how well spread this is used, I suppose it will become much more well spread now  . One of our clan members "discovered" this and starting extensive testing on multiple maps to find the right spot. I'm not saying he's the first to have known about this, though, I don't know that.
Anyway, in small games it's enough that one tech repairs (it can outrepair or slow down destruction) and a nuke can kill 2 buildings in one run and would be very hard to stop. I'm not just talking about sbh but for every nuker/ioner. Techie/hottie with nuke/ion can kill 3 buildings in one run on some maps.
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you can only double nuke buildings on a few maps, usually its on GDI where theres no PT's on the outside of nods buildings anyways (except a few spots on the strip part.
Complex gdi, Volcano GDI, field GDI, Walls fly GDI
PT's on the outside of buildings wont ever help you there dude, theres no PT's on nods REF PP HAND, and if anything the PT on the outside of the strip is competly useless unless theres likea hottie inside the strip and you want to run through mines then refill
this is a glitch that absolutly needs fixing, NOD has NO PT's on the outside of their buildings that are usefull.. gdi's barracks is just stacked with PT glitches, i've covered nukes for a good 35 seconds then had 2 people trade out to hotties and just disarm my shit instantly, no way this game was meant to be that way.
If you guys dont fix hte PT's, but turn on mandatory point fix you're all fucking idiots
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