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http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/149256/your_laptop_is_subject_to_s eizure_at_airports.html

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Under recently disclosed Department of Homeland Security policies, such seizures may be carried out without suspicion of wrongdoing, the newspaper said, quoting policies issued on July 16 by two DHS agencies.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344637 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 08:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol, I'm pretty sure that will never pass.

Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344639 is a reply to message #344637] Sun, 03 August 2008 08:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ryu wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 10:33

lol, I'm pretty sure that will never pass.


This ain't no bill, buddy!


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344640 is a reply to message #344639] Sun, 03 August 2008 08:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 16:37

Ryu wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 10:33

lol, I'm pretty sure that will never pass.


This ain't no bill, buddy!


No, They will never get a pass to actually seize your property, It's yours, not theirs, What gives them the right?

If this actually comes into play, and your okay with it.. something is wrong with you.


Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.

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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344641 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 08:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Errr.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure

Either way, they already have the right to take your devices even with NO suspicion of wrongdoing... as I fucking quoted.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344645 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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WTF is all I can say.
Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344650 is a reply to message #344641] Sun, 03 August 2008 09:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 16:50

Errr.... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Search_and_seizure

Either way, they already have the right to take your devices even with NO suspicion of wrongdoing... as I fucking quoted.



Oh.. THAT Seizure.. ROFLCAKES.

my gosh.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344658 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 10:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Can i refuse to hand over my laptop, hardrives etc... and travel back?

Thanks.
Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344660 is a reply to message #344658] Sun, 03 August 2008 10:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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w0dka wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 13:49

Can i refuse to hand over my laptop, hardrives etc... and travel back?

Don't believe so. That's the wonders of Homeland Security.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344682 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 12:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Does anybody know if SD cards and the like will set off metal detectors? I know a USB flash drive will, but I don't know if SD cards have a high enough metal content to trip the sensors. If they don't, then there's at least one way to get your sensitive information past Homeland Scrutiny without letting them take a peek.

This "only the guilty need fear" crap really pisses me off. Unlawful/unreasonable search and seizure is one of the reasons why we live in the United States of America instead of the Colonies of Great Britain- and yet these Homeland Scrutiny assholes (never mind the rest of the government) are getting away with worse and worse offenses every day. We have a whole Constitutional amendment dedicated to outlawing this shit, and they do it anyway. The worst part is that nobody pays any attention to it- they just assume that's how it's always been, or that the government is responsible enough, and go on with life and only bitch about it when it slows them down getting somewhere.

Power corrupts. If we let the government keep claiming powers like these, they will use them whenever and wherever they can... and they will continue to seek broader powers. They may not be doing it with any intent to do harm in mind, but harm will be done. Write your representatives, spread the word- whatever you can do to make even the tiniest difference. The government and its agencies can only claim what powers we allow it to through our lack of vigilance and concern.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344683 is a reply to message #344682] Sun, 03 August 2008 12:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's like how six flags decided to take away our $3 drinks we brought there when we tried getting on a coaster. D:
Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344698 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 13:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Do you get them back? Or do they just basically take it and send it off and you never see it again?

They said "undetermined periods of time" but that may be forever. It's absolutely retarded if you ask me... as I take my laptop with me when I travel..
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They threw out bottles of drinks away. D:
Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344703 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Americans....

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RMCool13 wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 16:28

Americans....

I don't get how every small negative things that happens to us, you blame it on the fact that we're Americans.



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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344705 is a reply to message #344698] Sun, 03 August 2008 14:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 16:52

Do you get them back? Or do they just basically take it and send it off and you never see it again?

They said "undetermined periods of time" but that may be forever. It's absolutely retarded if you ask me... as I take my laptop with me when I travel..


Well, as long as they want to. I imagine you get the stuff back eventually, BUT the damage would have already been done by then. Them taking it for a second is still infinitely longer than they should have seized it.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #344748 is a reply to message #344635] Sun, 03 August 2008 19:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Nice avatar effect Star.

On a side thought, that is just retarded. This kind of thing is exactly why I want to go into politics. I think that Congress should have a designated teenager to say what is stupid and what isn't. A 5 year old would tell you this is stupid.


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I imagine my tooth fitting contains more metal than an SD card and my tooth doesn't set metal detectors off, so SD cards probably work.


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #345124 is a reply to message #344682] Tue, 05 August 2008 09:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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NukeIt15 wrote on Sun, 03 August 2008 15:53

Does anybody know if SD cards and the like will set off metal detectors? I know a USB flash drive will, but I don't know if SD cards have a high enough metal content to trip the sensors. If they don't, then there's at least one way to get your sensitive information past Homeland Scrutiny without letting them take a peek.

This "only the guilty need fear" crap really pisses me off. Unlawful/unreasonable search and seizure is one of the reasons why we live in the United States of America instead of the Colonies of Great Britain- and yet these Homeland Scrutiny assholes (never mind the rest of the government) are getting away with worse and worse offenses every day. We have a whole Constitutional amendment dedicated to outlawing this shit, and they do it anyway. The worst part is that nobody pays any attention to it- they just assume that's how it's always been, or that the government is responsible enough, and go on with life and only bitch about it when it slows them down getting somewhere.

Power corrupts. If we let the government keep claiming powers like these, they will use them whenever and wherever they can... and they will continue to seek broader powers. They may not be doing it with any intent to do harm in mind, but harm will be done. Write your representatives, spread the word- whatever you can do to make even the tiniest difference. The government and its agencies can only claim what powers we allow it to through our lack of vigilance and concern.


Don't forget about transfering stuff into binary =D


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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #345126 is a reply to message #344635] Tue, 05 August 2008 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm sure anything a normal person can do to deter their information from being read will be defeated easily by government agencies.

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Re: Invasion of Privacy? Nah...... [message #345132 is a reply to message #345124] Tue, 05 August 2008 09:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's already stored in binary on the SD card... If you want that kind of security then you want an Ironkey. Simple as that.

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I heard about this a while ago, and was surprised that this was taking place in the United States.

To be honest, the only thing I'm worried they'll find on my laptop is a Fiona Flanagan album.


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It isn't the thought of what they might find that pisses me off and scares me, it's knowing that they can look in the first place without either probable cause or a warrant.

I couldn't give two shits whether some suit knows what I've been reading/watching/writing/doing; the means he uses to find out are what's got my knickers in a twist. Nobody, regardless of what color of authority they're operating under, has any right to search me, my notes, or my hard drive unless I'm suspected of a crime. Even then, they have to bloody well inform me what I'm suspected of doing before I have to let them do anything of the kind- even if they have a warrant, they've got to show it to me before they can act on it. If they have probable cause, then it'd better be a damn good cause that'll stand up in court- because I will fight it.

No matter how you try to justify or defend it, the circumvention of search & seizure protection is one of the worst abuses imaginable. We have those protections for a very good reason, and allowing them to be eroded or destroyed will result in very bad things happening.


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Who would have guessed laptops are so succeptible to seizures. Better not let them watch Electric Soldier Porygon.

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