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Thu, 17 July 2008 04:20

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Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

They say it, so it must be right. The people who own servers, and the players that log-on to play in them must have no say in what goes on it seems.

The very fact this forum is here, prooves that that isn't true.

Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

If we dare to disagree, we are talked down to because our opinion differs to there's.

You put forward arguments (most people don't, but you do) and they reply with their arguments. I don't see how that's talking down someone. I do agree that the same things have been said 5 times (maybe even by different people) but that's true for both sides, the reason being that it seems that most arguments are either not understood, misunderstood or ignored.

Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

The reasoning and logic behind the fix is all well and good, and we can have all the scenarios and stats in the world thrown at us, but at the end of the day, it doesn't make the game more fun, that is what matters, for most people it seems.

That's your opinion, mine is different but I respect your opinion.

Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

The fix is controversial to say the least, and to have a group of 5 or 6 people tell us we have to have it is a disgrace, and shows a complete lack of respect. As a server owner for over 4 years, I put enough time and money into this game for my thoughts on what I want my server to mean something. This goes for many other server owners who also disagree with the fix, and players also.

Actually, I only heard a group of 3-5 people disagree and put forward some arguments as to why they disagree. You assume that the silent mass agrees with you, but so do I. I'll make a nuance: I actually expect that the silent mass will agree with me when they'll have tried it, as I don't really know what this silent mass thinks at the moment. Smile

Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

The system we have has been in place 6 years and people are used to it, flawed or not. If they don't want to see it changed, and that seems to be the over whelming opinion, then that needs to be listened to.

See previous.

Jellybe4n wrote on Thu, 17 July 2008 10:21

Logic doesn't always = fun.

I think we're both in favour of leaving the choice to the server owners. The reason I reply here is that it has been stated pretty clearly now that the decision will be made after beta testing and that there's a high chance there will be a "no points fix patch" which will be the exact opposite of what exists today and which should solve this problem.

So I think it's time to let this topic die until beta testing.

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