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Re: New World Order [message #338340 is a reply to message #338281] |
Tue, 01 July 2008 08:49 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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It would make no sense to dissolve the Canada and Mexico with the US. US could buy Mexico for a couple million (lol bad joke). Canada and the US might make a good mix, but the Americans would refuse to give up their currency or general standards for either Canadian replacements or mixes of the two.
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Re: New World Order [message #338383 is a reply to message #338281] |
Tue, 01 July 2008 13:32 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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I don't believe that anything short of another World War could lead to such a massive border shift. There are simply too many social, political, and economic differences that would prevent such a meta-nation from forming.
Each country will want to maintain almost every one of their own laws, their own traditions and cultures. That will require any unifying government to bend over backwards and loop into a pretzel to make everybody happy, which will in turn create an incredibly complicated, slow, and unwieldy political machine. It would be a bureaucratic hell. The only way that a meta-nation could form and remain united is to be forged in the fire of necessity.
Just for a laugh, compare any existing national constitution with that of the EU. Take that comparison and extrapolate, and you'll see exactly why this NWO stuff exists only in the realm of fiction.
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Re: New World Order [message #338393 is a reply to message #338281] |
Tue, 01 July 2008 14:12 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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The other thing too, is strategically, I'm not sure if it's in America's best interests to even consider joining with Canada.
For example, with the Arctic ice caps melting, various countries including Denmark, Canada, Russia, and the United States all want a big piece of the resource pie, and superiority over a 'northwest passage' . If an 'AmeriCanadian' nation were to contest Russia, political tensions could run very high, and possibly escalate to a situation not unlike the Cold War. Russia would view it mainly as an American challenge.
However, an independent Canada is seen more as a 'third party' , and one that treads neutral ground. Many Canadians are of Eastern European descent, and do share quite a few commonalities with the Russian population. Russia would be less inclined to engage an independent Canada, and the Americans would still have a close ally that will guarantee fair passage through naval waterways, and allow American companies to exploit resources under the Arctic ice.
In terms of foreign policy these days, America needs allies. Although President Bush touts countries like Hungary, and Poland as modern allies of America, and Western ideals, Canada is a member of the G8, and is a counterpoint to Russia, France and Germany, as well as the O5 members like China, and Brazil. We might not agree on a few things, but in many cases, Canada and the U.S. see eye to eye on many issues, and Canada still has considerable clout in international affairs.
Uniting Mexico, Canada, and the States would not only be an economic disaster, but a social one too. The U.S already has a considerable poverty rate, and inheriting Mexico's problems would break any system in place. Mexican's would be demanding a system equal to Canada's E.I., and Welfare system, and many American's will be too. However, Mexico's tax base would not be able to support such a venture, meaning Canadian's, and American's would have to pay higher taxes to subsidize Mexico. Therefore, Canadians would likely end up losing their system of public healthcare, and reasonable welfare benefits, which would cause a LOT of problems, especially for those Canadians that live in rural areas, and up in the Territories.
This discussion is timed pretty well too, seeing as it's taking place on Canada Day, and just before Independence Day.
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Re: New World Order [message #338888 is a reply to message #338281] |
Fri, 04 July 2008 14:43 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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In Capitalism, consumers hold the power over the corporations. If people would understand this, then there wouldn't be a problem. I refuse to purchase CDs from Sony BMG. I'll buy CDs from other manufacturers, but not them. It's a shame, too, there's a few CDs that I've wanted to buy.
Just when you involve the government, they may fix a problem, but they won't ever give you back your rights that they took. As Benjamin Franklin said, "They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety."
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Re: New World Order [message #338995 is a reply to message #338281] |
Sat, 05 July 2008 13:24 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) ![Go to next message Go to next message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/down.png) |
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I think "essential liberty" is anything that by being left alone doesn't take away the rights of someone else. Which would keep slavery illegal because if you let people have the right to enslave others, you impede on the rights of the individuals who are made into slaves. The same would go for murder, theft, etc...
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Re: New World Order [message #340180 is a reply to message #339738] |
Thu, 10 July 2008 17:42 ![Go to previous message Go to previous message](/theme/Renegade_Forums/images/up.png) |
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pawkyfox wrote on Tue, 08 July 2008 13:39 | I think eventually the need for nations to survive through commerce and global trade will lead to such bigger nations. They say China is dangerous. Yes, it's true they are big and all that, but they are dependent on us as we are on them. Trade maybe the next detterent to war instead of weapons.
And Iran too lol
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Trade could also start wars as vying trade blocks try to corner a market on a certain good or push another block out of a country entirely. There are no examples of this so far as regional trade blocks are a recent (historically) phenomenon (UNASUR is the most recent example) but I foresee something along those lines as a possible precursor to a new world war.
Modern trade disputes are the only concrete evidence I bring to bear to support this but there are many that have the potential to turn violent, the Russian-Western European and Ukrainian gas trade dispute and the more recent US free trade deal with South Korea that caused a bit of angst on the Korean side.
While this is all hypothetical I wouldn't down play it too much, confederations and leagues have always sprung up to help benefit their populaces with a somewhat "regional" nationalism for the lack of a better word.
Edit: I found this map of most if not all regional trade blocks while looking for a list on wikipedia. Pretty interesting.
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