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nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338046]

Sun, 29 June 2008 09:44

mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z
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Maybe a way to get rid of these Nickname "Stealers" ?

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338061 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 29 June 2008 10:19

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Removing Directconnect in it's current form.

The only way to prevent it is to only allow XWIS accounts. Perhaps that we look into creating something like +xwisconnect, but that remeans highly uncertain. Particularly because we don't even know if it's really possible.

If we can get it to work properly, we might ditch the current directconnect method.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338069 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 29 June 2008 10:48

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Our bot in MP-Gaming allows players to register their names, so when they join, they are authed, if a other IP is detected or they didn't auth, they are kicked.

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Sun, 29 June 2008 10:49

mrÃ£Ã§Ä·z
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the auth is a good idea, because i always change my IP Razz

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338073 is a reply to message #338069]

Sun, 29 June 2008 11:11

EvilWhiteDragon
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IronWarrior wrote on Sun, 29 June 2008 19:48

Our bot in MP-Gaming allows players to register their names, so when they join, they are authed, if a other IP is detected or they didn't auth, they are kicked.

Personally I wouldn't like that, and I don't think it's a real solution to the problem. It's more of a workaround IMHO.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338096 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 29 June 2008 13:32

Goztow
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Brenbot allows !auth'ing.

The server owners need to make a choice IMO. They want people to be able to join with any nick and any serial (as they allow gamespy / direct connect) but they don't want people to abuse it...

I'm sure a public patch for stopping direct connect completely will be released sooner or later. But will serevr owners use it? Or will they just go for the extra players on gamespy and take the nick spoofers with that? You can't get one without the other at this moment.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338171 is a reply to message #338046]

Mon, 30 June 2008 04:42

Muad Dib15
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NOOOOO!! Keep direct connect. It's the only thing I use because XWIS can't use my full internet name.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338205 is a reply to message #338046]

Mon, 30 June 2008 11:47

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We will not block it, at least not entirely and probably not at all.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338216 is a reply to message #338046]

Mon, 30 June 2008 13:16

Jamie or NuneGa
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A lot of people only use gamespy and direct connect so removing it would create problems for a lot of players, furthermore a lot of people like to be able to have names with characters such as '[' that wol will not allow.

I think you TT people should leave direct connect etc as it is, if you succeed and cheats are stopped then nick faking will not be able to cause too much damage anyway, and a simple ip check can always remedy problems caused by nick fakers.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338291 is a reply to message #338046]

Mon, 30 June 2008 23:25

Goztow
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Quote:

I think you TT people should leave direct connect etc as it is, if you succeed and cheats are stopped then nick faking will not be able to cause too much damage anyway, and a simple ip check can always remedy problems caused by nick fakers.

Not really: ip's are very dynamic nowadays and you can be playing at a friend's house.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338945 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 03:21

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Direct-connect should be changed so that the player must first allow it using a server chat command while playing normally on the server.
Direct-connect also annoyingly allows players to have a / in their name, stopping anyone from being able to !ban !forcerg etc on them.

WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338948 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 03:48

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Quote:

Direct-connect should be changed so that the player must first allow it using a server chat command while playing normally on the server.

I'm not sure what you mean exactly?

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Direct-connect also annoyingly allows players to have a / in their name, stopping anyone from being able to !ban !forcerg etc on them.

Don't know about that, but isn't that a problem with the bot, rather than it is a Renegade bug?

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338949 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 04:06

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I think he means a player would have to connect first though XWIS and tell the server he wants to direct connect before he can do so.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338952 is a reply to message #338949]

Sat, 05 July 2008 04:38

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RoShamBo wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 21:06

I think he means a player would have to connect first though XWIS and tell the server he wants to direct connect before he can do so.

Yes.

If someone has a / in their name then as soon as you type their name out the chat-box immediately changes to private-message them. It's a normal feature of renegade that can be exploited as I wrote before so that you can't actually finish typing any ban, kick, noob, rec etc commands out.
(When you type "/" followed by a player name in the chat-box the messaging system allows you to private-message them)

WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )

[Updated on: Sat, 05 July 2008 04:39]

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338954 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 06:02

StealthEye
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I think you can usually write the other part of the name as long as it is unique. I do agree that the / in the middle of a word should not be completed though. I'll see how easy it is to fix.

About the XWIS connect thing. It's probably hard to do, but it is on the todo list already to be investigated. If it seems too hard we will not do it though.

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Sat, 05 July 2008 06:53

jnz
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StealthEye wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 14:02

In theory, all you need to do is login to xwis, join the channel and then direct connect.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338975 is a reply to message #338957]

Sat, 05 July 2008 11:14

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Well I and many others wish not to have to connect via XWIS to join a game. I prefer to type /ren into IRC and join the server I want. Why should I have to spend 5 minutes loading Renegade that logging into XWIS to play on a server?

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Sat, 05 July 2008 11:28

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Caveman wrote on Sat, 05 July 2008 14:14

I'm with this guy

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #338994 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 13:24

Goztow
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I think this topic shows pretty clearly why... Besides, dc would still be possible as long as you have the password.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339005 is a reply to message #338046]

Sat, 05 July 2008 14:49

Ghostshaw
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Colonel

Actually i have been toying with the idea of making an xwisconnect command line option, so that you can basically go directly into an xwis channel and connect to a server. Dunno yet if its entirely possible without hacking up half of renegade but I am probably gonna try anyway.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339017 is a reply to message #339005]

Sat, 05 July 2008 16:13

BlueThen
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Maybe direct connect should require passwords.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339117 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 06 July 2008 02:16

StealthEye
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Possibilities:
- Block DC entirely as a serverside option.
- Change DC to log in to XWIS before connecting ingame and require XWIS connection on the server.
- Change DC to require a personal password for registered nicks.

Although I like the latter solution most, it does not ensure that the serials people are using are correct, and therefore serial banning can be bypassed.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339132 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 06 July 2008 03:17

Goztow
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Can't you go check in the xwis "database" if a nick exists. If not, allow it to disconnect. This way, people that want their name protected, could register it on xwis.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339133 is a reply to message #338046]

Sun, 06 July 2008 03:19

Ghostshaw
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Colonel

Yeah you go convince Olaf to help us -_-.

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Re: nickname Spoofers fix? [message #339154 is a reply to message #339133]

Sun, 06 July 2008 07:25

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I repeat.. I do not want to have to load this and that to play a game. I should be allowed to join any public server I want with any nick I want (given its not taken or being used)

The option to allow people to connect but must use a password is the same as them just registering there nick with BrenBot or NR. If you use the option to give people passwords server side and someone leaks it.. You're back to square one.

If I wanted to connect to XWIS I would. I dont want to be forced to do it.

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