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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337636 is a reply to message #337251] Thu, 26 June 2008 19:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Makes a pretty fucking strong argument. It's not really worth arguing the small possibility that the earth wasn't hit by a meteorite.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337642 is a reply to message #337636] Thu, 26 June 2008 19:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 21:33

Makes a pretty fucking strong argument. It's not really worth arguing the small possibility that the earth wasn't hit by a meteorite.


You carefully avoid my point. Thumbs Up


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337644 is a reply to message #337642] Thu, 26 June 2008 20:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wouldn't it be the small possibility that dinosaurs died by said meteor? Not that there was a meteor?
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337646 is a reply to message #337644] Thu, 26 June 2008 20:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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R315r4z0r wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 22:00

Wouldn't it be the small possibility that dinosaurs died by said meteor? Not that there was a meteor?

or a very large volcano... (yellowstone)
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337650 is a reply to message #337642] Thu, 26 June 2008 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 22:49

cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 21:33

Makes a pretty fucking strong argument. It's not really worth arguing the small possibility that the earth wasn't hit by a meteorite.


You carefully avoid my point. Thumbs Up

What? You want me to admit that we can't claim it as absolute truth? That's a fucking given. There's really no such thing as an absolute truth, anyway.

It's pointless to argue the idea that it wasn't a large impact (or even volcano) that caused the mass extinction because of all of the evidence for it.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337739 is a reply to message #337251] Fri, 27 June 2008 15:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I have yet to see enough proof that humans have caused global warming and not enough to say we haven't caused it. Personally I believe we have contributed but it's also natural. We should pursue alternative fuel sources for many reasons, potential global warming is just one of them.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337751 is a reply to message #337251] Fri, 27 June 2008 18:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm all for the maintaining of the Earth's beauty and better economic situations, but I can't jump on the global warming bandwagon for those reasons.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337757 is a reply to message #337751] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 02:16

I'm all for the maintaining of the Earth's beauty and better economic situations, but I can't jump on the global warming bandwagon for those reasons.



You don't have to.

It's natural - Only if Humans didn't burn oil and industrial fumes, cutting down more trees (yes, a certain percent of humans and animals that breath out carbon dioxide contribute a little to global warming) and what not - The next ice age would happen in a few more million years, but because humans are now doing what I stated and more we've gone from a few million years to possible thousands.

again - recycle, try not to drive your car down the street to the store if you can walk it - plant some trees or plants in your back yard, turn off electrical appliances when they're not needed, send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

We all share this planet right? so lets keep it a nice place for you, me, and the next generation.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337758 is a reply to message #337757] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I like you views, Ryu! I share the same. All problems can be solved peacefully without any argument if people become a bit more responsible.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337759 is a reply to message #337757] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ryu

send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

I don't like the idea of my government dumping funds into something the private sector should be doing.


whoa.
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337760 is a reply to message #337759] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 21:23

Ryu

send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

I don't like the idea of my government dumping funds into something the private sector should be doing.


Private sector will only do something that will bring them money...tut tut Capitalism!

So it is FULLY necessary for the government to step in and start the innovation process. That is how bad the situation stands after a decade of laziness. Once the system is perfected and the project is at a efficient prototype stage, the private sector will come like angry hungry dogs to exploit the technology...making money and also benefiting society.

That is how it works.

EDIT: The private sector will only act IF money is thrown at them. The good thing is that you will see genuine attempts at success and you will see genuine results.

John McCain recently proposed a $300 Million project aimed at the private sector at who can develop a powerful electric car battery by 2010 (I think). You will see results soon...if the proposal is accepted ofcourse!


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337761 is a reply to message #337757] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ryu wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:18

cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 02:16

I'm all for the maintaining of the Earth's beauty and better economic situations, but I can't jump on the global warming bandwagon for those reasons.



You don't have to.

It's natural - Only if Humans didn't burn oil and industrial fumes, cutting down more trees (yes, a certain percent of humans and animals that breath out carbon dioxide contribute a little to global warming) and what not - The next ice age would happen in a few more million years, but because humans are now doing what I stated and more we've gone from a few million years to possible thousands.

again - recycle, try not to drive your car down the street to the store if you can walk it - plant some trees or plants in your back yard, turn off electrical appliances when they're not needed, send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

We all share this planet right? so lets keep it a nice place for you, me, and the next generation.

I'm pretty sure our planet's natural cycle is more like 30 000 years. Maybe I'm wrong but I swear I've read that before. Either way speeding it up is your point.


Homey
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337762 is a reply to message #337251] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:37 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Problem is, the government is fucking retarded with their spending.

For example, this one school in Kansas I think it was got alot of money to improve their education system.

What'd they use it on? An olympic sized pool.

HOORAY FOR SHITTY SERVICES.

I'd have a source on that, but I can't for the life of me remember now. I did do a debate on it though, so yeah. Really not that hard to notice how most of the school spending is outright retarded, because they just think "well, we have money, so if we dump enough into this random thing, it should make it better". That's the basic mentality with the government in general.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337766 is a reply to message #337251] Fri, 27 June 2008 19:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only thing government should be doing, is setting REASONABLE guidelines for pollution. That's it. Consumer spending, and shareholder interests will drive companies to be greener.

People are demanding 'greener' products, and guess what, the private sector is literally bending over backwards to bring those products to the public. The Chevrolet Volt, a 'plug-in' hybrid is coming out for 2010, and the Honda FCX clarity, a hydrogen vehicle, is already able to be leased. Neither of these vehicles have been funded by the government. Electronics are increasingly using less harmful plastics, and manufacturing processes are getting greener every day.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337771 is a reply to message #337251] Fri, 27 June 2008 20:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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yeah but the Government > you so I applied that logic to a privately owned company.

but I agree also - Governments can be fundamentally retarded with money and spending.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337772 is a reply to message #337760] Fri, 27 June 2008 20:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:34

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 21:23

Ryu

send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

I don't like the idea of my government dumping funds into something the private sector should be doing.


Private sector will only do something that will bring them money...tut tut Capitalism!

So it is FULLY necessary for the government to step in and start the innovation process. That is how bad the situation stands after a decade of laziness. Once the system is perfected and the project is at a efficient prototype stage, the private sector will come like angry hungry dogs to exploit the technology...making money and also benefiting society.

That is how it works.

EDIT: The private sector will only act IF money is thrown at them. The good thing is that you will see genuine attempts at success and you will see genuine results.

John McCain recently proposed a $300 Million project aimed at the private sector at who can develop a powerful electric car battery by 2010 (I think). You will see results soon...if the proposal is accepted ofcourse!

If the people don't want new fuels badly enough, companies won't change. However, if the market changes to where the majority DO want alternative fuels, things will change. Oh, how I love Capitalism.


whoa.
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337810 is a reply to message #337772] Sat, 28 June 2008 06:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:11

pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:34

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 21:23

Ryu

send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

I don't like the idea of my government dumping funds into something the private sector should be doing.


Private sector will only do something that will bring them money...tut tut Capitalism!

So it is FULLY necessary for the government to step in and start the innovation process. That is how bad the situation stands after a decade of laziness. Once the system is perfected and the project is at a efficient prototype stage, the private sector will come like angry hungry dogs to exploit the technology...making money and also benefiting society.

That is how it works.

EDIT: The private sector will only act IF money is thrown at them. The good thing is that you will see genuine attempts at success and you will see genuine results.

John McCain recently proposed a $300 Million project aimed at the private sector at who can develop a powerful electric car battery by 2010 (I think). You will see results soon...if the proposal is accepted ofcourse!

If the people don't want new fuels badly enough, companies won't change. However, if the market changes to where the majority DO want alternative fuels, things will change. Oh, how I love Capitalism.


Touché


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337901 is a reply to message #337650] Sat, 28 June 2008 15:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 22:55

pawkyfox wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 22:49

cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 26 June 2008 21:33

Makes a pretty fucking strong argument. It's not really worth arguing the small possibility that the earth wasn't hit by a meteorite.


You carefully avoid my point. Thumbs Up

What? You want me to admit that we can't claim it as absolute truth? That's a fucking given. There's really no such thing as an absolute truth, anyway.

It's pointless to argue the idea that it wasn't a large impact (or even volcano) that caused the mass extinction because of all of the evidence for it.


And then what about humans? Were they wiped out too?

pawkyfox wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 08:53

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:11

pawkyfox wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 22:34

cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 27 June 2008 21:23

Ryu

send angry letters to your Government to look into alternatives like air powered and H2o powered vehicles.

I don't like the idea of my government dumping funds into something the private sector should be doing.


Private sector will only do something that will bring them money...tut tut Capitalism!

So it is FULLY necessary for the government to step in and start the innovation process. That is how bad the situation stands after a decade of laziness. Once the system is perfected and the project is at a efficient prototype stage, the private sector will come like angry hungry dogs to exploit the technology...making money and also benefiting society.

That is how it works.

EDIT: The private sector will only act IF money is thrown at them. The good thing is that you will see genuine attempts at success and you will see genuine results.

John McCain recently proposed a $300 Million project aimed at the private sector at who can develop a powerful electric car battery by 2010 (I think). You will see results soon...if the proposal is accepted ofcourse!

If the people don't want new fuels badly enough, companies won't change. However, if the market changes to where the majority DO want alternative fuels, things will change. Oh, how I love Capitalism.


Touché


I am taking back my Touché due to my small misunderstanding.
The "private sector" nowadays I thought were the smaller organizations and other individuals with some sort of initiative. It is them I was referring to. Also, I hold nothing against Capitalism. Therefore, your statement is not needed.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337902 is a reply to message #337251] Sat, 28 June 2008 15:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll let you in on a little secret: humans didn't exist with dinosaurs. Humans evolved from the burrowing mammals that survived the mass extinction of surface dwelling creatures.

As far as I'm concerned with research, the government throwing money doesn't do jack shit as long as the oil companies have a firm grasp on the balls of the car industry. Even government-mandated deadlines won't get the results they want, unless they expect the car companies to just fold under the pressure of both the federal government and Big Oil.

The reason why we ARE seeing a move to alternative fuels (or an attempt, anyway) is because of the consumer base wanting cleaner, renewable fuels.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337918 is a reply to message #337902] Sat, 28 June 2008 19:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 17:41

I'll let you in on a little secret: humans didn't exist with dinosaurs. Humans evolved from the burrowing mammals that survived the mass extinction of surface dwelling creatures.


That is the biggest bile I had ever seen...just another pawn of the elite all-knowing scientific community. Sarcasm


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337940 is a reply to message #337251] Sat, 28 June 2008 23:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll quote what I said to this one chick the other day...

"What I love is how most Christians accept the science that brings us medicine, but anything that tries to tell us about the past outside of the '6,000 to 10,000 year' existence of the universe is somehow false. Talk about being closed-minded."

I'm sorry, but the scientific method isn't only accurate if it follows what mainstream Christianity teaches. The Scientific Method exists for a reason. It works, and it's damn sure reliable.


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337962 is a reply to message #337918] Sun, 29 June 2008 01:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 21:10

cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 17:41

I'll let you in on a little secret: humans didn't exist with dinosaurs. Humans evolved from the burrowing mammals that survived the mass extinction of surface dwelling creatures.


That is the biggest bile I had ever seen...just another pawn of the elite all-knowing scientific community. Sarcasm

BAHAHAHA.
Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #337965 is a reply to message #337918] Sun, 29 June 2008 01:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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pawkyfox wrote on Sat, 28 June 2008 21:10


That is the biggest bile I had ever seen...just another pawn of the elite all-knowing scientific community. Sarcasm


Yeah, because fossilized remains of prehistoric animals are total 'bile' ...


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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #338002 is a reply to message #337251] Sun, 29 June 2008 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's funny how he wants to fight global warming that science has "proven" (yet it has reasonable dissent), yet he ignores Evolution which has an overwhelming majority of people in the scientific community accepting.

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Re: GLOBAL WARMING [message #338044 is a reply to message #337251] Sun, 29 June 2008 09:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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What I don't get is why it's so fucking hard to maybe, just MAYBE, believe that God could have used evolution to create the world. Y'know, the one that started that spark and guided it along.

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