| The difference [message #335754] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 01:21  |
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SlikRik
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So normally I woulda dropped it, the whole debate between FF and IE, but then my friend showed me this browser test. Did in FF, and then just had to test it in IE. To be fair, I actually had high hopes for IE.
This is the site of the test: http://acid3.acidtests.org.
I did the test using both Firefox 3 (just released today) and Internet Explorer 7, both without adjusting any settings beforehand.
First I'll post the reference picture, what the test is supposed to look like if the browser passed 100%:
Although I have it being displayed there in FF, it displays exactly the same in IE.
Now, here come the results:
FF3 Result
71/100, not too shabby. Yes, there's not color, and I'll admit that it wasn't 100% smooth in displaying either.
But now let's check out IE...
IE7 Result
Pretty good I'd say, if you're Picasso...
Even after that pic was taken, I let IE run the required ActiveX control, and still didn't get anything better than that.
My favorite is the little comment in the lower left "Error on page." As if you didn't already know.
Pfft...
And that's that, just thought I'd share.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.
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| Re: The difference [message #335774 is a reply to message #335754] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 03:41  |
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Lol TOR user 
That's surprising. I wonder what browser rendering engine displays everything perfectly.
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| Re: The difference [message #335791 is a reply to message #335754] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 06:37 |
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None.
Since there will always be pages made for IE/FF/Opera/Safari specifically and hacked in to work for the other browsers. That is untill very strict specs are defined and every browser actually abides to those.
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| Re: The difference [message #335868 is a reply to message #335754] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 16:37 |
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The W3C standards aren't the problem. It's browsers NOT following them and making up their own interpretations that IS the problem.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: The difference [message #335878 is a reply to message #335754] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 19:06 |
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People who don't know enough html/css to follow standards have no place creating websites without a WYSIWYG editor... These are the same people who create those fuck ugly myspace layouts with absolutely no color coordination.
If standards weren't followed you would have websites that only work in one browser and no others. Maybe you don't see the big deal on websites so I'll try to show a similar example, take IRC since that's popular with gamers.
How would you like it if you had to scrap mIRC or whatever else you use and download a new IRC client JUST because one IRCd developer decided to not follow standards? Standards are made to be followed. mIRC will work the same on any IRC network you connect to because the developers respected and followed the standards set. Web browsers should display the same on any website you connect to but they don't because of everyones' lack of following the standards.
And it's not just about how it displays either, there are other things to consider.
Blind people rely on their computer reading the code from the website and relaying the appropriate information through voice/speakers. Websites without standards will relay a lot of useless information that doesn't make any sense.
Mobile devices are being used to view websites a lot more these days. They need very very very perfect coding if you have a lot on your site.
There's more things but are less important.
The link that Aircraftkiller posted is good news. The Opera developers are getting serious about following standards and the other browsers should start following their example.
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| Re: The difference [message #335883 is a reply to message #335828] |
Wed, 18 June 2008 21:09 |
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| Doitle wrote on Wed, 18 June 2008 15:01 |
All of you insane W3C Standards people will literally kill the internet. I don't give a shit about the importance of standards when I am making a page... All I care about is that it works. I write a little HTML, I open it, oh it looks ok? Done. I don't want to have to write in catches for every possible retarded standard and case. If you had it your way pages that weren't W3C compatible wouldn't be allowed to be uploaded. The problem? There goes the possibility for just anyone to go and put something up and share on the internet. W3C is internet poison. This is just like how W3C pushed the HTML standard to eliminate the <font> tag and several other tags like it. Oh we're supposed to use CSS stylesheets? Yeah that makes so much more sense to someone who just wants to make a little home page than <FONT>, WHEN THEY WANT TO CHANGE THE FONT. RAGE RAGE RAGE...
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**WARNING: Sarcasm follows**
Agreed. Standardization of web standards is the bane of the Internet. Who cares about being able to carry content cross-platform? Or accessibility? Fuck blind people. They should learn to read, assholes. I want everyone to be able to read the website I made about my pet hamster in Dreamweaver 3, and here's the W3C making web standards that cause it to look God-awful, saying I can't use the blink tag wherever I please. Hey, got epilepsy? Stop doing drugs.
Man, next thing you know, stuff won't compile when I forget a curly brace or when I leave out a semicolon somewhere. That's ridiculous. Then how will the average Joe have their say? It's like Universities, only for elitists. Only the people who know how to spell, use grammar, and in-depth knowledge of the topic are allowed to speak. What if I don't want my doctor telling me I've got cancer when I think it's a cold? I don't get my say because they call me "unqualified," bunch of jerks.
**End of the SARCASM STORM**
Acid3 is meant to show how stringently a browser follows the standards, from markup to scripting. If you don't understand (X)HTML/CSS/Javascript, get a good, standards compliant WYSIWYG editor and move on.
If you do not understand why the <FONT> element (and other presentational elements/attributes) were phased out, use a transitional DOCTYPE or, better yet, learn.
No. Seriously. No.
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| Re: The difference [message #335891 is a reply to message #335754] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 01:16 |
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Blame WYSIWYG editors for a lot of the problem too since they often dont produce standards compliant code (the amount of "IE only" code out there that was created by FrontPage or Dreamweaver is huge)
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| Re: The difference [message #335898 is a reply to message #335891] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 03:19 |
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| jonwil wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 10:16 |
Blame WYSIWYG editors for a lot of the problem too since they often dont produce standards compliant code (the amount of "IE only" code out there that was created by FrontPage or Dreamweaver is huge)
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And even worse: MS Word :-S
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| Re: The difference [message #335906 is a reply to message #335754] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 05:41 |
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From my experience, Word is WAY worse.
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| Re: The difference [message #335960 is a reply to message #335936] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 11:59 |
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| StealthEye wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 12:25 |
Yeah, word is HORRIBLE, whereas frontpage is just horrible. 
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Can we agree that Microsoft on the whole is horrible?
To be honest, I've used Dreamweaver for most of my sites, but I've always checked the compatibility with both FF and IE, both work fine (maybe cuz I'm just using simple HTML lol).
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.
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| Re: The difference [message #336058 is a reply to message #335754] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 18:18 |
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Microsoft is awesome and you all know it.
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| Re: The difference [message #336084 is a reply to message #335999] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 21:20 |
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| Ghostshaw wrote on Thu, 19 June 2008 17:45 |
Oh Please stop the MS is horrible bullshit. Your using their OS, and I dunno about you but XP always worked bloody fine for me.
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I'll admit, XP was one solid piece of software, although it did have a few weak points.
The reason I use Windows is simply this:
Does it look like I have a choice? As a gamer, my choice of OS's is limited to the compatibility with games, and I dunno about you, but I don't see the majority of games being made for Mac or Linux. Plus, seeing as 75% of the world's computers are running Windows, I'd rather not deal with the compatibility issues of having a Mac. Some people can use Mac or Linux machines just fine for their everyday use, but not me, therefore, I'm more or less forced to run Windows.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Wed, 02 July 2008 15:52 |
If you don't want EA to get any credit, destroy their Refinery. Duh.
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| Re: The difference [message #336092 is a reply to message #336084] |
Thu, 19 June 2008 22:45 |
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| SlikRik wrote on Fri, 20 June 2008 00:20 |
Does it look like I have a choice? As a gamer, my choice of OS's is limited to the compatibility with games, and I dunno about you, but I don't see the majority of games being made for Mac or Linux. Plus, seeing as 75% of the world's computers are running Windows, I'd rather not deal with the compatibility issues of having a Mac. Some people can use Mac or Linux machines just fine for their everyday use, but not me, therefore, I'm more or less forced to run Windows.
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Pretty much the same. If it wasn't for my games I would be using only Linux flavors.
Macs I don't like at all, I find they limit what you can do and are designed for a very narrow audience.
Win XP I've never had any problems with, it's a very stable product. All the other versions I've used (95, 98, millennium) have been a crappy experience, and it sounds like MS has gone downhill again with Vista, although I have yet to try it.
I just noticed how off topic this has gone so I'm gonna stop typing now...
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