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Someone said this in college today, and I had to totally agree with them. Dispite the fact that being on the dole isn't good for society.

When you're on the dole, everything is paid for. You get a house, food and could probably run a small car.

When you have a job, even though you're earning money. You spend about 8 hours a day earning that money and it's not easy. You have to pay for: food, bills, your house (mortgage), your car (to get to work) and everything is taxed. The government takes all your money away from you and you're struggling to pay for essentials.

While you're struggling, the people on the dole are doing jack all have no worries. So what's better? Living on the couch, going out for a drink with some freinds? or working 8 hours a day and worrying about money all the time.
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our benefits system is just disgraceful tbh... but then our entire economic policy is downright absurd.

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Re: Dole [message #331403 is a reply to message #331401] Wed, 21 May 2008 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You couldn't be more wrong. Being on dole does NOT give you a house or a flat nor does it give you food and it sure as hell isn't going to pay for you to run a small car.

I'd quite happily trade places with someone who is working 8 hours a day for being on the dole. When you're are on the dole you're not just lazing around doing fuck all that I can assure you off. You clearly need to do some more research.


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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

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there's housing benefits you can claim.

you wouldn't be able to afford to run a car these days though, I expect... unless my description of the benefits system was an understatement, which it quite likely is.


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Re: Dole [message #331406 is a reply to message #331401] Wed, 21 May 2008 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do know a few people on the dole with the same circumstances as i discribed.

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I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years..

Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.


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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Dole [message #331431 is a reply to message #331408] Wed, 21 May 2008 17:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42

I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years..

Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.


Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P.


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Re: Dole [message #331437 is a reply to message #331431] Wed, 21 May 2008 18:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 19:26

Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42

I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years..

Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.


Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P.

...you just your car?
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trooprm02 wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 17:26

Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42

I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years..

Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.


Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P.


I don't like saying this... but you're being a really big b____ by saying that.

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Re: Dole [message #331463 is a reply to message #331401] Wed, 21 May 2008 23:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Some people simply are not able to get work.

And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world.

For example
when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job.

They will interview the white guy first, after that the black.
Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad.

Looks like we have always have to point @ wellfair.

And i though the american system was, when u dont work and hardly educated u can easely go to the ghetto and crack smoke ur life.
Tell me when im wrong though.

Also the goverment here in holland should open his eyes.
In every country there is hunger.
EVERYBODY stresses out if there is enough money in the wallet.

In my case it was different though, i really had luck that i had a dad that could pay my school and secure my future.
Still i have seen a bad example of my mom how to deal with money,
good for me i learned from that.


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Re: Dole [message #331469 is a reply to message #331401] Wed, 21 May 2008 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Dole [message #331473 is a reply to message #331401] Thu, 22 May 2008 00:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Lmao, look at trooprm02 just deciding to drop in the conversation and brag more about something that's probably not even true. And if it is, he's the only one on the forums to actually care about it.

Just go to that link Gozy posted.


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Spoony wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 19:25

our benefits system is just disgraceful tbh... but then our entire economic policy is downright absurd.

disgraceful.. maybe.. keep Britain in the MEDC list? it's needed.


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Re: Dole [message #331492 is a reply to message #331431] Thu, 22 May 2008 03:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 01:26

Caveman wrote on Wed, 21 May 2008 13:42

I am on the dole and the money I recieve each week JUST about covers my food for that week, it sure as hell doesn't pay for a house nor a car or even a ped for that matter. If you already have a flat and then you go on the dole the government will pay the rent otherwise you'd be homeless wouldn't you...And thats just what we need more homeless people. Anyone can apply for a flat but if you're not missing both legs and an arm you will be put on a waiting list which I think is 5 years..

Please do not try and make living on the dole seem like its great because its not. I was much better off when I was working. Atleast then i'd have money to have a few drinks with the lads.


Plus being ugly doesn't help your cause. Meanwhile I just got my first car, 2001 mercedes-benz C220 ($37,000), n_P.


Hows your busisness going troop? I'd like a server please.


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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking?
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renalpha wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:47

Some people simply are not able to get work.

And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world.

For example
when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job.

They will interview the white guy first, after that the black.
Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad.

In England, it's the other way around. There are no end of examples of white people being turned down for jobs specifically because they're white.

still, anyone who physically can't get a job at tesco or asda etc is frankly a sorry individual.


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Spoony wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:52

renalpha wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 07:47

Some people simply are not able to get work.

And there is still a lot discrimination and racism going on in the world.

For example
when a white guy just like most of us sollicitate for a job and a Arabian or Black guy goes for the job.

They will interview the white guy first, after that the black.
Lately the arabian are getting discriminated like mad.

In England, it's the other way around. There are no end of examples of white people being turned down for jobs specifically because they're white.

still, anyone who physically can't get a job at tesco or asda etc is frankly a sorry individual.


There is more to life then working and to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money.
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IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 13:42

Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking?


Filling in the same forms can be quite annoying but it has to be done.

RoShamBo -

I for one am not laying around doing fuck all I am on work courses to train for the work I am looking to do. I am putting in the same hours on these courses as I would be if I was doing a plain ol 9-5 yet im not getting 5x the money I would be if I was doing work so you tell me what im better off doing... The system has changed within the last year or two.. If you're just sleeping in til 1pm and playing on your playstation all day the job centre will terminate your money for 6months. I am looking for work at the moment while on this course and I have already been threatened that I would lose my money if I don't have a exceptionally good reason as to why im not working. Don't speak of that which you don't know.

Just because you know a few people that abuse the system doesn't mean we all do.


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BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Caveman wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 09:09

IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 13:42

Caveman, you ever get fed up filling in them stupid forms that you meant to do to log your job seeking?


Filling in the same forms can be quite annoying but it has to be done.

RoShamBo -

I for one am not laying around doing fuck all I am on work courses to train for the work I am looking to do. I am putting in the same hours on these courses as I would be if I was doing a plain ol 9-5 yet im not getting 5x the money I would be if I was doing work so you tell me what im better off doing... The system has changed within the last year or two.. If you're just sleeping in til 1pm and playing on your playstation all day the job centre will terminate your money for 6months. I am looking for work at the moment while on this course and I have already been threatened that I would lose my money if I don't have a exceptionally good reason as to why im not working. Don't speak of that which you don't know.

Just because you know a few people that abuse the system doesn't mean we all do.


That means you been on the jobseekers for about a year then?

Because the first 12 months you are not forced to register and join them courses and crap. :s
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Troop, you live in Canada, so your opinion on this subject is null and void

However, your opinion on the topic we all keep linking to would be appreciated... Smile

As for the topic, I dislike the government in general, so anything I say is biased.


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In Canada, we essentially have two forms of the 'Dole' : 'Welfare, and 'Employment Insurance' .

'Welfare' or a 'Living Allowance' is pretty much the same thing as the 'Dole' , and is a Provincial jurisdiction.

Employment Insurance is the one I like. With 'EI' , as soon as someone gets a job, and is on the payroll, a portion of their weekly, or bi-weekly earnings is sent into a massive fund.

When the person loses their job, they get put on EI. Because they have paid into the fund, the money they receive can equal their previous salary, or be a major percentage of what they previously earned. EI lasts for a relatively short time, but enough for someone to find a new job. Once they are back in the workforce, they automatically begin paying into EI again.

From what I've seen, EI seems to work very nicely, in that the person is much more motivated to find a new job, because the EI payments will run out in a short time. Life on Welfare is comparatively 'dumpy' , but many people just seem to 'adjust' to it, and know that until the day they die, they'll be getting the same cheque from the government.

As our friend Caveman has said, he really can't afford to have a pint with the lads, and that just makes life boring, which in turn can make the person unmotivated to pull themselves out of the rut. With EI, a person will be able to run their vehicle to get around and go for interviews, buy decent food, and still be able to have a beer with the boys.

For what it's worth, our federal governement has not paid into the EI program since 1990.

Lastly, trooprm02 has no idea what depreciation is, nor does he even know what car he's driving. The 2001 C220 is NOT sold in Canada because it is a CDI. It's likely a C240, and if that's what it is, it's bluebooked for about 12-16K depending on mileage and features. If troop's parents DID pay $37,000 for an seven to eight year old Benz, It'll prove to me that stupidity is indeed hereditary.


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IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 08:36

to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money.

someone with enough self-respect not to live off the dole.


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Goztow wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:56

You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop?

Werent you the one who said "lets not do that" when someone suggested to spam troopm02 with links?
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Surth wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:36

Goztow wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 00:56

You must have bought that Merc by selling private WOW servers, Troop?

Werent you the one who said "lets not do that" when someone suggested to spam troopm02 with links?


No.


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Spoony wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 15:21

IronWarrior wrote on Thu, 22 May 2008 08:36

to be honest who the hell would want to work at Tesco and Asda, that is not work, that is slave work for slave money.

someone with enough self-respect not to live off the dole.


Damn, I wouldn't even take dole.
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