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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #2763] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 18:40  |
Anlesauk
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Hello peeps, I think we've cracked the most anoying problem out there for Renegade (IMHO)! Have you ever gotten the "Negotiating port with server..." then "Operation timed out" error when trying to log onto a server? Well, thanks to [sg]theone and some trial and error and research, I think we found the solution. Here is somewhat of an explanation in non-techie terms:
Some applications require multiple connections, like Internet games, Video conferencing, Internet telephony and so on. Due to many broadband router's firewall function, these applications cannot work without some intervention.
i.e. You must open some ports in your router's built in firewall to let game packets through. This can be done in the router's configuration setup.
For me, I have a D-Link DI-704P router, it requires you to log into the router through your web brouser (just by typing in the ip address, i.e. http://192.168.36.0 or something like it). I bet some routers out there require you to use the Tellnet program or even Hyper Terminal. You need to look at your manual and see what it takes to enter the configuration.
Anyhow, thanks to [sg]theone, he found this information from Westwood:
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"What firewall ports do I need to open to play on WOL? Why can't I connect to WOL?
Be sure you have a stable internet connection. Also, if you have a Firewall or Router please open the standard WOL ports. You will need to enable some ports to UDP traffic in order to communicate with Westwood Online. Ports 1234, 1235, 1236, and 1237 should allow UDP traffic. Also, ports 7000, 3840, 4005, 4808, and 4810 will need to be opened for all TCP traffic. If you do not know how to configure your firewall, please consult your firewall documentation, contact your system administrator, or contact your Internet service provider."
Basicly what it sounds like you need to get ur router to open up the above listed ports -- it may take a little trial and error but IMO this is whats causing your issue.
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Again, how you do this on your particular router I do not know, but it should be in the manual some place. It worked for me. I even get a much better Ping and less lag now!!! Try it, you'll like it. 
If you have any questions and would like help configuring your router you can contact me. misser_wren@yahoo.com Yahoo Messenger misser_wren
"We fight for the One, we die for the One!"
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #2796] |
Tue, 04 March 2003 20:34  |
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Griever92
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Ohhhh, so the solution to the "Negotiating Port Error" problem is to.... open some ports! Go figure!
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This information is wrong. When it says that it's negotiating a port, thats what the Hosts computer is doing, not yours
Alex "Griever92" Bracken
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #2904] |
Wed, 05 March 2003 06:35 |
Anlesauk
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Oh yeah, router is NETGEAR Cable/DSL Web Safe Router Gateway RP614, and my internet provider is Chart Pipeline. Got any help for those?
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Ok, first things, first. Go here and download and ugrade your router firmware to the latest version:
http://www.netgear.com/support/support_details.asp?dnldID=238
This page also has instructions on how to log into your router:
Open the browser (Internet Explorer or Netscape)
Access the router (usually http://192.168.0.1)
Login to the router (User Name = admin Password = password unless you have changed it)
Once you have updated your Firmware, check and see if you can connect to any game servers that you were not able to before. The new version is supposed to improve on this function. If not then you gan get the manual for your router here:
http://www.netgear.com/support/support_details.asp?dnldID=242
If just clicking on the link to download does not work then try shift+click on the link.
If you need to still configure your ports after upgrading the firmware then it may take some trial and error as your manual is not all that clear about how to do this. This is what I found in the manual on page 7-4"
Some online games and videoconferencing applications are incompatible with NAT. The Model RP614 router is programmed to recognize some of these applications and to work properly with them, but there are other applications that may not function well. In some cases, one local PC can
run the application properly if that PC’s IP address is entered as the default in the PORTS Menu. If one local PC acts as a game or videoconference host, enter its IP address as the default.
I think this is done by makeing it a DMZ server. In this case, it shuts the firewall off to this computer. There are specific instructions for this in the manual on page 7-5.
Anyhow, give this all a shot and let me know how it works. I'll be glad to help if I can. Goodluck!
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #2993] |
Wed, 05 March 2003 15:16 |
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Guys, I think you are missing the point here.
I believe the problem is SERVER SIDE.
How else could you explain that there are servers like the PITS that ALWAYS be negotiated, and servers like DEVSHOUSE that can NEVER be negotiated.
Also, in October (before I left and returned) I could negotiate ALL PORTS ALL THE TIME, however when I returned to the game in January, I could NOT NEGOTIATE MOST ports. keep in mind I in no way adjusted, added, removed, or changed any hardware, software, configurations, or braodband connection. All my stuff is EXACTLY, I mean EXACTLY the same as it was before, so my sudden inability to negotiate the ports MUST be server side. I cannot see any other rationalization.
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #3005] |
Wed, 05 March 2003 15:45 |
Anlesauk
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Guys, I think you are missing the point here.
I believe the problem is SERVER SIDE.
How else could you explain that there are servers like the PITS that ALWAYS be negotiated, and servers like DEVSHOUSE that can NEVER be negotiated.
Also, in October (before I left and returned) I could negotiate ALL PORTS ALL THE TIME, however when I returned to the game in January, I could NOT NEGOTIATE MOST ports. keep in mind I in no way adjusted, added, removed, or changed any hardware, software, configurations, or braodband connection. All my stuff is EXACTLY, I mean EXACTLY the same as it was before, so my sudden inability to negotiate the ports MUST be server side. I cannot see any other rationalization.
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Honestly Gizbotvas, I know what you are saying. I had no problems getting on any servers for the longest time, then after one of the patches (can't remember which one) it all started to go downhill. Like you, I changed nothing. The Pits was one of my only playable servers. All I know is that it was frustrating me so much that I had to do something. Now I have done something. I still have a firewall intact and it works fine. I can play on any server I like. Can I ask if you have a router? If so, just try updating the firmware and see if that solves the problem. I have read more about it and see that many routers have built in programming to help with the port negotiations. It may just need to be updated. So far we have 2 winners and no losers in this method, so it does something. Hope we can help, just ask if you need it.
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #3300] |
Thu, 06 March 2003 12:45 |
Anlesauk
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From Falconxl on the Pits forum...
"I would recommend that if you do open the ports and dont have one already, to get a software firewall to monitor the open ports. I use Norton Internet Security to alert me to unwanted traffic on open ports on the router. Its worked pretty good so far. "
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #4907] |
Mon, 10 March 2003 10:20 |
Anlesauk
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Due to the heated responses from some, I have edited the topic to be "Sugestions" not "Resolution." I think we know that this has more to do with the Firewall than anything, but how it is fixed on anyone's computer can be different for each case as [sg]theone said. Becasue of this, we will try and help as much as we can. I know that it just takes some effort to fix problems. If, in the future, people have questions about this problem, direct them to this thread and we will do the best we can to help them through it. Thanks for all of your comments and let's continue to strive to help each other.
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #22281] |
Mon, 26 May 2003 13:42 |
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gibberish
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Guys, I think you are missing the point here.
I believe the problem is SERVER SIDE.
How else could you explain that there are servers like the PITS that ALWAYS be negotiated, and servers like DEVSHOUSE that can NEVER be negotiated.
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IMO you are partially correct, here is my understanding of how firewalls work:
With regard to Renegade, firewalls fall into 4 basic categories:
1. No Firewall
2. Well configured firewall
3. Incorrectly configured firewall.
4. Corporate/Secure firewalls
Numbers 1 and 2 are really the same since a well-configured firewall is invisible (except when you try to do something you shouldn’t).
Most home firewalls are in category 3 this is because the company that makes the firewall doesn’t know what the home user will do with it, so they lock everything down (which breaks Renegade).
I will cover number 4 separately at the end of this post.
The astute among you will now be saying “If this is true then no one would be able to play Renegade with a home firewall installed”.
The answer to this is in an old saying “It takes two to tango” or in the case of firewalls it should be “It takes two NOT to tango”.
In other words the programmers of Renegade were clever enough to write some code that can compensate for the problems created by one incorrectly configured firewall.
However it is very difficult (sometimes impossible) to correct for two incorrectly configured firewalls.
What this means is if the game is hosted on a server that is either protected by a well-configured firewall or no firewall everyone can play it, regardless of their firewall configuration (except for Corporate firewalls).
Or alternatively:
If you have no firewall or your firewall is well configured you can play on any server regardless of the servers firewall configuration (again except for corporate firewalls).
The only time you can’t play on a particular server is when both you and the server have incorrectly configured firewalls, fix your firewall or ask the server admin to fix theirs and you should be fine. Ideally you should both fix your firewalls  .
So you ask what is a “well-configured firewall”; basically there are two things that make up a well-configured firewall:
1. Opening the correct ports.
2. Forwarding the ports to the correct host (sometimes called port forwarding or DMZ host)
Unfortunately there are many different types of router/firewall out there and each one is different so you will have to read the manual. However I will say that you will probably need to set the “Firewall Port” option in Renegade to match the UDP port you set up in the firewall.
A final spanner I would like to throw in the works is that the level of “incorrectness” can vary from firewall to firewall, so sometimes even though both firewalls are technically not configured correctly you can still play. 
Corporate firewalls
Corporate firewalls are usually designed not to let people play games through them, however sometime the game will still be listed (Advanced Game Listing), it’s just that no one can connect to it. If you think that your firewall is well configured (you can connect to the vast majority of games) and there are still one or two games you can’t get into, then they are probably behind a corporate firewall, your best bet would be to give up on this server any play somewhere else.
This is just my understanding so,
I hope it is both useful and accurate.
Gibberish
PS I allow the following ports outgoing:
3845,4005,4321,4850,7000 (TCP)
And the following port in both directions:
4848 (UDP)
The 4848 port is also port forwarded and set up in renegade as the "Firewall Port"
I have not had any problems connecting to anyone.
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| IMPORTANT: "Negotiating port..." error SUGESTIONS! [message #34841] |
Tue, 29 July 2003 15:58 |
DragonSniper
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ok heres my problem, i can get online and when i go to multi-play internet i get the whole screen of advanced game listings, quik match, chat ( like it should show up ) but then when i go to click advanced games listing it tells me " requesting server list " and it ALWAYS times out i havent been able to get on for 3 weeks now and nothing that my ISP or Westwood Tech support has said worked. they told me to check some ports on my " firewall " but i have a dial up connection and dont have firewall so WTF do i do!??????????????? i used to be able to get on and play.
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