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Greetings, for those thinking of downloading "Red Alert: A Path Beyond" which is a standalone mod based on the Command & Conquer Renegade engine.
While it is a nice game/mod it is unfortunately subject of several team members who are abusive internet bullies.

I created a thread on the "official A Path Beyond forums" regarding my perceived lack of server choices, a post that was written in a calm and civilized manner.
Immediately i was attacked not only by staff/moderators of the official server but "A Path Beyond" staff as well. I was provoked into retaliation as I found the attacks unfair and unjustified. I may have said a few things in the heat of the moment, but nothing to warrant the level of abuse that was to come.
I ended up getting 4 warnings, 2 for the same posts within just 1 minute without me even having time to make any other reply, and a third time for something that did not even relate to the thread in question at all, and then lastly a 4th time without even having said a word since the last one. On top of that i have been called faggot, asshole in public by forum the moderators.

This is something i just find totally unacceptable, not to mention immature to resort to petty name calling. Especially for a team of a respectable standalone mod such as this that even has the attention of EA.
I'm not telling you people what to do, I'm giving you something to consider before you either support "Red Alert: A Path Beyond" or consider lending the team behind it your talents.
I just do not see why anyone else should have to risk being subject of the same abuse that i have.
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309538 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 09:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I stopped playing APB due to "internet bullying" also. There is some serious fagatory going on there.
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309554 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I do agree they are immature, however, the reasonining behind the 'lack of servers' is because people aren't dedicated enough to host APB servers.

MP Gaming are hosting their server, they have a coder (Oxi) who has made several modifications to the regulator which makes it better than the actual FDS.

Another reason why there is only a few servers is the lack of regulators made for APB. Danpaul is porting versions of BrenBot to work with APB's FDS.

It's not like the FDS is closed to select people, you can download it from the site. So if you're complining about the 'lack of servers', you need to ask server hosters, not APB Staff.

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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309558 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, the FDS they have on there page is the older FDS version. There is no public SSAPB, however it isn't too hard to make an FDS out of the client (although it is going to be prone to crashing as it has not got the "fixed" code that SSAPB has).

The guys lag issue is strange. He experiances lag all the time when the server has over 16 players. You could argue that it's something to do witht he client or some crappy server code if it happened now and then to all people. But it doesn't. It only happens to him, and it happens when there are more then 16 players constantly (but no one else).

You can only really conclude that there is an issue on his client.
Either he has a slow machine or conection, or perhaps he has a graphics card driver or card that is hated by scripts.dll.
Eitherway, I really don't think it is a server-side problem.

I think it's your total lack of being able to entertain the idea that the problem may lie at your end causing people to get frustrated and annoyed with you. Granted the client problem may be out of your controll, but I really don't think it's on the server...



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reborn wrote on Thu, 10 January 2008 12:00

No, the FDS they have on there page is the older FDS version. There is no public SSAPB, however it isn't too hard to make an FDS out of the client (although it is going to be prone to crashing as it has not got the "fixed" code that SSAPB has).

The guys lag issue is strange. He experiances lag all the time when the server has over 16 players. You could argue that it's something to do witht he client or some crappy server code if it happened now and then to all people. But it doesn't. It only happens to him, and it happens when there are more then 16 players constantly (but no one else).

You can only really conclude that there is an issue on his client.
Either he has a slow machine or conection, or perhaps he has a graphics card driver or card that is hated by scripts.dll.
Eitherway, I really don't think it is a server-side problem.

I think it's your total lack of being able to entertain the idea that the problem may lie at your end causing people to get frustrated and annoyed with you. Granted the client problem may be out of your controll, but I really don't think it's on the server...

... Where did you dig up the issue about lag?
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309569 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm positive we can get this issue sorted out, not all the team members are the same. What kind of problems are you having?

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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309570 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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There were two issues, one on mp-gaming forums, where i thought i was having serious lag issues which in the end was debunked.

Then on the APB forums, where i posted accepting that my side of the line may not be up to par with US based servers. Thats why i posted with the question of why there are no other closer alternatives, which almost right away started with attacks and the bullying that followed. I never was rude or agressive until i was attacked, and even then i showed a certain degree of restraint.
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309571 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We'll get to the bottom of this, rest will be assured!

What are your system specifications?
What kind of connection do you have? (DSL or Cable?)
Do you play any other online games?
If so, what size servers do you play in?

Last but not least, go to this website and complete the speed test. Afterwards, post your results in this topic.


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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309575 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well this thread kind of isnt about my game issues, but rather of how quite a few out of the APB staff have been abusive(i could give names but i wont).

But fair enough if you insist.
Dual 2.2GHz Xeon's
2gb RAM
GeForce 7800GS eXtreme AGP8x 256mb OC @ 500/1500MHz
(and yes turning down the shaders made no difference for the lag issues).
As for the connection, yes i use DSL, i also Play F.E.A.R Combat(16p) and Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force(up to 32p)

http://www.speedtest.net/result/220674894.png
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309576 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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216Kb/s is not a lot.... Huh
If you're using a WLAN router, make sure the port on it is open, even if the firewall is turned off it can still block/slow it down.
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309577 is a reply to message #309576] Thu, 10 January 2008 11:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cnc95fan wrote on Thu, 10 January 2008 18:45

216Kb/s is not a lot.... Huh
If you're using a WLAN router, make sure the port on it is open, even if the firewall is turned off it can still block/slow it down.


That says 276, not 216...

And agreed, your connection isn't exactly great.
Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309579 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 12:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No it isn't, i usually don't have problems with european servers thou, but US servers to tend to be problematic in general.

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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309591 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 12:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Are you in the United States? If not, where are you located?

Are you using a router on your modem or is the modem directly going directly to your PC?

If you are using a router, what brand router is it? Do you know the model number?



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He's in Sweden, if the APB server is US based, his connection is going to suck, nothing that can be done, save buying Sweden a better international I'net service.


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I got to admit i hated the way they spoke to me when i resistered to the apb site because of the way I was typing such as no capital i's and few of my words was cut due to the fact that im plain lazy. anysways i've stopped posting on there now and i was afraid to resister on C&C reborn site just in case i got abuse again Sad i do check reborn and read topic as a guest but i don't particularly want to post a reply and stuff.

It was like this on the game Tiberium sun as people on there was very abusive and rude, thats why i quit playing it.


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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309608 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You have nothing to worry about on the Reborn forums, if you are being harassed for no apparent reason; I will ban that user from the forum.

I'm not going to ban people for getting in arguments but I don't tolerate harassment. Most of our users are very friend though. Thumbs Up



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Good to hear Smile, and from the looks of it Reborn is going to be awesome upon release. Thumbs Up
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sadukar09 wrote on Thu, 10 January 2008 14:56

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Alexraptor stop being a faggot and instead talk to me or the lead moderator next time. This is why somebody could be prompted to call you an asshole. You do this, instead of talking to somebody you should talk to.

The lag issues refer to his comments in http://www.apathbeyond.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=15973&st=0

Coolrock Warned on Today, 10:17 AM
Added to warn level I have no idea what the fuck your problem is, but I do know you're getting warned for it.
Raapnaap Warned on Today, 07:12 AM
Added to warn level Endless omplaining about the server, and acting like an asshole.
drunkill Warned on Yesterday, 09:53 PM
Added to warn level Same as above (or below?) being an asshat.

Also you were called a faggot for the following--
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QUOTE(Alexraptor @ Jan 9 2008, 03:47 PM)

Ill complain if i want to, i don't give a rats ass for the way you see who has rights and who does not. Don't like to hear my complaints about available servers? Tough, live with it, it comes with the job of creating a game, free or commercial.
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Alexraptor wrote on Thu, 10 January 2008 08:33

Greetings, for those thinking of downloading "Red Alert: A Path Beyond" which is a standalone mod based on the Command & Conquer Renegade engine.
While it is a nice game/mod it is unfortunately subject of several team members who are abusive internet bullies.

I created a thread on the "official A Path Beyond forums" regarding my perceived lack of server choices, a post that was written in a calm and civilized manner.
Immediately i was attacked not only by staff/moderators of the official server but "A Path Beyond" staff as well. I was provoked into retaliation as I found the attacks unfair and unjustified. I may have said a few things in the heat of the moment, but nothing to warrant the level of abuse that was to come.
I ended up getting 4 warnings, 2 for the same posts within just 1 minute without me even having time to make any other reply, and a third time for something that did not even relate to the thread in question at all, and then lastly a 4th time without even having said a word since the last one. On top of that i have been called faggot, asshole in public by forum the moderators.

This is something i just find totally unacceptable, not to mention immature to resort to petty name calling. Especially for a team of a respectable standalone mod such as this that even has the attention of EA.
I'm not telling you people what to do, I'm giving you something to consider before you either support "Red Alert: A Path Beyond" or consider lending the team behind it your talents.
I just do not see why anyone else should have to risk being subject of the same abuse that i have.


If you can't handle being called an "asshole" or a "faggot", you may want to serriously reconsider being on the internet.


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Re: RA: A Path Beyond - Important notice. [message #309689 is a reply to message #309533] Thu, 10 January 2008 15:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Alexraptor @ Jan 10 2008, 06:28 AM)
Oh noes a warning! oh noes more attacks! my life is over! boohoooo must run off and cry to my mom and tell her how mean you are. Roll Eyes



I guess your post wasn't sarcastic, based on the fact you DID run off to go cry and tell people how mean we are. Rolleyes indeed.

Also speaking of abuse, Alexraptor clearly missed the reign of Aircraftkiller, didn't he?

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Funny thing is, every time people post BS like this and claim to be calm and respectful, the logs always show otherwise. Why is that?

DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19

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