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But the Wii appeals to a totally different audience. In fact it appeals to multiple audiences, which means that sales will likely end up at the top again.
The Xbox and Playstation are just targeted at gamers, or high-end multimedia buffs. However, the Wii's cheap price, and different play style has meant that people are buying it along with a Playstation or Xbox. As I said before, other markets will come into play with the Wii as well. Already it's becoming a bit of a hot item among seniors, and adults who would rather shoot a golf ball, instead of some alien.
A lot of PS3 proponents say 'wait' for the good games. Why the hell would I want to buy a system, and then 'wait' ? It's not as if any good movies have come out on Blu-Ray to tide me over.
In fact, Blu-Ray is another example of Sony's idiocy. HD-DVD players are already becoming increasingly cheaper, and will likely become the standard because of computer-manufacturer backing, and the fact that weary consumers will usually go for the cheaper item. There is a very good chance that PS3 owners will be left with a player that will play a format that will suffer the same fate as such other great Sony inventions as Beta, UMD, Mini-Disc, and A-trac... At least Microsoft was smart enough to make the HD-DVD player a separate item.
For what it's worth, I don't own any of the 'new' systems. In fact, the 'newest' system that I own is a Super Nintendo. 
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300474 is a reply to message #300448] |
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I just checked like 5 different store sites.. the Wii is the same price it has always been..
In fact gamestop has a Wii BUNDLE pack with the Wii system, 5 games, 2 controllers, 2 nunchucks, 1Gb SD card, and a fully equipped charge station for controllers...
All this for $585... which is the price you said that just the console costs...
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300591 is a reply to message #297600] |
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The fact is though that the blue ray leads on all markets. Because Transformers is only on hd-dvd it sells less than the disney picture cars LOL.
Besides personally i like 300 and spiderman 3.
The fact is that Blue Ray will most likely win since its about the same price as the hd-dvd and because its included in the ps3 console.
In the european market the blue ray leads by 75 percentt. American 65 percent.
Just because the wii sells well, doesent mean they get good software sales. You stated yourself that elderly people buy it. These are people who are unlikely to buy more than two games in a year.
I dunno.. but i hold my bets on the ps3.. and by all means.. 2008 has been declared the year of Sony.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300726 is a reply to message #300591] |
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| Staude wrote on Sun, 02 December 2007 14:44 |
The fact is though that the blue ray leads on all markets. Because Transformers is only on hd-dvd it sells less than the disney picture cars LOL.
Besides personally i like 300 and spiderman 3.
The fact is that Blue Ray will most likely win since its about the same price as the hd-dvd and because its included in the ps3 console.
In the european market the blue ray leads by 75 percentt. American 65 percent.
Just because the wii sells well, doesent mean they get good software sales. You stated yourself that elderly people buy it. These are people who are unlikely to buy more than two games in a year.
I dunno.. but i hold my bets on the ps3.. and by all means.. 2008 has been declared the year of Sony.
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Well yeah, the elderly will buy fewer games... but I thought this thread was just about console sales. If it were about game sales, then, yeah, I'd be agreeing with you.
The oldies have quite a bit of disposable income these days, and for what the Wii offers, it's a relative bargain; plus, the elderly population is growing, so although they may buy fewer games per-capita, they can still be a strong market as more start retiring.
My opinion on Blu-Ray comes from that Sony's success with formats, has been pretty terrible. Yes, Sony's tech is often more advanced, but it's so much more expensive. Joe Six-Pack, and Jane-Doe won't be able to tell the difference between a Blu-Ray system, and an HD-DVD system when browsing Wal-Mart or BestBuy, and so, they will go with the system that is cheaper.
Mind you too, producing HD-DVD discs is cheaper(article is a few months old, but should be relatively unchanged), and more efficient than Blu-Ray, and it will be the price of the media that will end up determining the 'winner' of the format war. That's how it has always been.
My problem with Sony is that, if it does indeed lose... then the PS3 will become just another component in the household; Sony, and Xbox, have been trying to position their units as the main component in a home-theater set-up. I think people are getting weary of having so many devices in their household that do similar things, but not all the tasks. It used to be that whoever died with the most gadgets won, but now, whoever dies with the most multi-functional 'doo-dad' is the victor. At least with the Xbox, you don't have to hedge your bets with a new format.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300737 is a reply to message #297600] |
Mon, 03 December 2007 10:58 |
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My problem with everyone who makes consoles is
a. they are too expensive, I remember when I bought my n64 for 100 dollars brand new.
b. Games are too expensive, I mean 6 months later you see the games lowered to 20-30 dollars, why cant they do this at start, they still make money.
I used to always wait to buy a game, and I still do, but only big games I am willing to pay full price for, especially orange box, that coems out next week on the ps3.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300744 is a reply to message #300737] |
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| AoBfrost wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 11:58 |
b. Games are too expensive, I mean 6 months later you see the games lowered to 20-30 dollars, why cant they do this at start, they still make money.
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| AoBfrost wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 11:58 |
...but only big games I am willing to pay full price for, especially orange box, that coems out next week on the ps3.
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You solved your own question!
You want the game the badly, so you're willing to pay top dollar for it, because you know that the fun you'll get from the product equals the amount of money you are willing to spend. 
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300781 is a reply to message #300744] |
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What he said. It is basic economics. Businesses are counting on your desire to buy the game, that is why it is more expensive when it first comes out. That price doesn't reflect the cost to make it.
Look at the iPhone. Remember the price drop after it launched? Same situation.
& @ the guy who said the Wii doesn't have any good games.
It all depends on your tastes. IMO, most of the Nintendo made games, which aren't available on Gamecube, are awesome. Twilight Princess was much better on the Wii than Gamecube. Not to mention the Wii has a built in Gamecube.
And the one thing that is really cool about the Wii is the ability to purchase older games from previous consoles like the N64, NES, SNES, and some other non-nintendo consoles like Sega Genesis, Turbografx (Spelling?), ect.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300815 is a reply to message #300809] |
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| Staude wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 16:00 |
lmao the blue ray is better.. It has larger space, streams faster, looks better, the laser is better for the discs and they last longer.
The only thing HD DVD has going is its name. And that wont be enough in this technological age. Atleast i doubt it will.
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Well, name is one thing that won the VHS vs Beta format wars didn't it? It MIGHT repeat again, but I'm hoping Blu-Ray wins. Mainly since PS3 comes with a bundled Blu-Ray player. All the HD-DVD player costs $1000+
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300819 is a reply to message #300809] |
Mon, 03 December 2007 15:19 |
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| Staude wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 16:00 |
lmao the blue ray is better.. It has larger space, streams faster, looks better, the laser is better for the discs and they last longer.
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Yes, but... does the average consumer care about that?
My experience has shown they don't. You can fill someone's head with all the great things about Blu-Ray, and they will still go for a cheaper HD-DVD system.
We also should not forget that this 'format war' can go in a lot of directions. Plenty of people are content enough with DVD's already, and 'upconverting' players are inexpensive now too.
There's also another factor that can stall HD-DVD, and Blu-Ray, and that is the Internet. Companies like NetFlix now let you download high-definition content to the computer. With computers heading into the living room, it makes more sense just to download a movie, instead of running out to a video-rental store.
This is likely one of the reasons why Microsoft decided to not include HD-DVD in the Xbox system. Microsoft would likely rather people just connect their Xbox to their Vista PC's, and stream content that way.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #300847 is a reply to message #297600] |
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One of the reasons I believe HD-DVD will be the successor is the backing from these guys. They are juggernauts in their industry, and have cash to throw around.
Not only that, but the format is supported by two very big movie studios: Universal Studios, and Paramount Pictures. Plus, other electronics giants such as RCA, and Kenwood back the format.
Disney backing Blu-Ray is a moot point, because Disney hasn't exactly been doing all that well corporately, and re-releasing movies from their "vault" will only get them so far. I bring this up because Dreamworks has officially announced its support for HD-DVD, citing its cheaper costs.
And if you want to argue about hardware, then I'll give you this...
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HD DVD discs employ much the same manufacturing process and protection coating as conventional DVDs, while Blu-ray Discs require mandatory hard coating to prevent damaging scratches, since the disc information is closer to the surface and more vulnerable to wear and tear.
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That means more expensive manufacturing processes, and adoption of new methods.
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In terms of audio/video compression, HD DVD and Blu-ray are similar on the surface: both support MPEG-2, VC-1, and H.264 for video compression. Virtually every HD DVD released uses an advanced MPEG-4 codec (VC-1 or H.264) for video compression, reducing the required space for equivalent quality video. The first generation of Blu-ray Disc movies however used the older and less efficient video codec MPEG-2, and many new titles still do.
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Nice work Sony. Bring out a totally new technology, but use old codecs.
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In terms of audio, there are many differences. With HD DVD support for the new Dolby Digital Plus audio codec is mandatory at 3.0 Mbit/s, but for Blu-ray players it is optional at 1.7 Mbit/s. Furthermore HD DVD players must be able to decode the new lossless audio codec Dolby True HD, but this is optional for Blu-ray players.
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Once again, Sony is charging more, for less.
Here's another thing. Kmart, USA, a major retailer, now only offers HD-DVD because of the cheaper price, and believes HD-DVD is the better value. That's a bold move for a corporation, and Kmart is a very smart retailer.
We'll have to wait and see what happens. Last month, HD-DVD laptop computers outsold Blu-Ray laptop units 7 to 1, and Toshiba believes that the way to get HD-DVD into peoples' hands is with a computer, a device which is much more useful than a console.
Oh, and for what it's worth, many major porn studios also support HD-DVD.
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #301064 is a reply to message #297600] |
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Dude.. no... Fairly simple ..
What is the difference between Blu-ray and HD-DVD?
Parameters:
Blu-ray:
Storage capacity
25GB (single-layer)
50GB (dual-layer)
Disc diameter 120mm
Disc thickness 1.2mm
Laser wavelength 405nm (blue laser)
Numerical aperture (NA) 0.85
Protection layer 0.1mm
Hard coating Yes
Track pitch 0.32µm
Data transfer rate (data) 36.0Mbps (1x)
Data transfer rate (video/audio) 54.0Mbps (1.5x)
Video resolution (max) 1920×1080 (1080p)
Video bit rate (max) 40.0Mbps
Video codecs: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC, SMPTE VC-1
Audio codecs: Linear PCM, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Digital Surround, DTS-HD
Interactivity: BD-J
HD-DVD:
15GB (single-layer)
30GB (dual-layer)
Disc diameter 120mm
Disc thickness 1.2mm
Laser wavelength 405nm (blue laser)
Numerical aperture (NA) 0.85
Protection layer 0.6mm
Hard coating No
Track pitch 0.40µm
Data transfer rate (data) 36.55Mbps (1x)
Data transfer rate (video/audio) 36.55Mbps (1x)
Video resolution (max) 1920×1080 (1080p)
Video bit rate (max) 28.0Mbps
Video codecs: MPEG-2, MPEG-4 AVC, SMPTE VC-1
Audio codecs: Linear PCM, Dolby Digital, Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS Digital Surround, DTS-HD
Interactivity: HDi
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Manufacturer support (home theater)
HD DVD : Toshiba, LG, Thomson/RCA, Onkyo, Samsung
BLUE RAY : Hitachi, Mitsubishi, LG, Sharp, Sony, Panasonic, Samsung, Philips, Thomson/RCA
Manufacturer support (PC storage)
HD DVD : Microsoft, Intel, HP, NEC, Toshiba
BLUE RAY : Apple, Dell, Benq, HP, LG, Panasonic, Philips, Pioneer, Samsung, Sony, TDK
Studio support
HD DVD : Paramount, Studio Canal, Universal, Warner, the Weinstein Company, DreamWorks Animation
BLUE RAY : Sony Pictures (including MGM/Columbia TriStar), Disney (including Touchstone, Miramax), Fox, Warner, Lions Gate
And talking about big retailers.. WALLMART supports blue ray. So does block buster.
This pretty much shoots down everything you have said. I hope ive gotten my point through.
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| Staude wrote on Mon, 03 December 2007 17:11 |
and you can have blue ray players at almost the same cost aswell..
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PS3=$300+
HD-DVD Players=$1000+
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| Re: Japan prefers ps3>wii kthnx [message #301079 is a reply to message #297600] |
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Well, we'll have to agree to disagree. I work with multimedia as a small, hobby/job, and my experience is that people will go for a cheaper technology, because they will not notice the difference.
I'm not saying Blu-Ray is bad. What I AM saying is...
1) Sony has yet to show any real, consumer-friendly advantage over HD-DVD that makes it worth the extra cost.
2) Just because something has great technology does not mean people will go for it. History has shown that, repeatedly.
Plus, the numbers you listed are the 'maximums'. Blu-Ray IS capable of doing those numbers, but as of right now, they are not utilizing the technology available as well as the HD-DVD set. No one cares about the 'Maximum' . What people care about is what they can get right now.
Whatever the case, we'll have to wait and see. Too many variables exist today to see who will 'win' .
Even one of Sony's heads believes the format war is a stalemate; and has even gone so far as to saying there should only be one, agreed-upon standard, which implies to me that Sony is getting worried. http://www.engadget.com/2007/11/09/sonys-stringer-blu-ray-vs-hd-dvd-battle-a-sta lemate/
| sadukar09 wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 17:50 |
PS3=$300+
HD-DVD Players=$1000+
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I'll turn your attention to this. Not everyone needs/wants a video game system. Plus, Wal-Mart had a massive fire-sale on HD-DVD players, at $99, so Toshiba, and its supporters are more than happy enough to flexibly price the unit.
I'm done for this one. We'll see how it plays out.
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 19:01 |
1) Sony has yet to show any real, consumer-friendly advantage over HD-DVD that makes it worth the extra cost.
2) Just because something has great technology does not mean people will go for it. History has shown that, repeatedly.
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He speaks the trues!
Also, a little off this train of thought:
Did you know, that the Wii was supposed to have a built in DVD player? They scrapped the idea a few months before they launched. Nintendo doesn't want people to buy their video game console to watch movies. They want people to buy their video game console so they can play video games.
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| razorblade001 wrote on Tue, 04 December 2007 19:49 |
Did you know, that the Wii was supposed to have a built in DVD player? They scrapped the idea a few months before they launched. Nintendo doesn't want people to buy their video game console to watch movies. They want people to buy their video game console so they can play video games.
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I didn't know that one, but I do know now that people are now streaming their media from their computer onto their Wii, much like the Xbox, and PS3, but for a cheaper cost.
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