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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29580] |
Tue, 08 July 2003 11:35   |
NHJ BV
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I dont see what holes you're talking about. There are a few points where they stray slightly, but nothing that couldn't be explained by government coverups, same with YR...although there are more problems with that.
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- The reinvention of the chronosphere
- If RA2 takes place in the 70s, then Einstein is at least 100 years old
- Loss of RA1 technology, for instance the MAD Tank, or the Radar Jammer, perhaps the Gap Generator (and the aforementioned Chronosphere)
- Tanya hasn't aged a day since RA1
- This one's a bit arguable, but Kane kept tight control over the first war (RA1), yet he's nowhere to be seen in the second (RA2).
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29594] |
Tue, 08 July 2003 12:33 |
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Imdgr8one
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| Duke of Nukes |
I dont see what holes you're talking about. There are a few points where they stray slightly, but nothing that couldn't be explained by government coverups, same with YR...although there are more problems with that.
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- The reinvention of the chronosphere
- If RA2 takes place in the 70s, then Einstein is at least 100 years old
- Loss of RA1 technology, for instance the MAD Tank, or the Radar Jammer, perhaps the Gap Generator (and the aforementioned Chronosphere)
- Tanya hasn't aged a day since RA1
- This one's a bit arguable, but Kane kept tight control over the first war (RA1), yet he's nowhere to be seen in the second (RA2).
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It wasn't exactly perfected remember?
Einstein can live that old
They got more technologically advanced
She was "damaged" by teh chronosphere
He is in hiding building up the brotherhood.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29603] |
Tue, 08 July 2003 13:21 |
NHJ BV
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I dont see what holes you're talking about. There are a few points where they stray slightly, but nothing that couldn't be explained by government coverups, same with YR...although there are more problems with that.
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- The reinvention of the chronosphere
- If RA2 takes place in the 70s, then Einstein is at least 100 years old
- Loss of RA1 technology, for instance the MAD Tank, or the Radar Jammer, perhaps the Gap Generator (and the aforementioned Chronosphere)
- Tanya hasn't aged a day since RA1
- This one's a bit arguable, but Kane kept tight control over the first war (RA1), yet he's nowhere to be seen in the second (RA2).
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It wasn't exactly perfected remember?
Einstein can live that old
They got more technologically advanced
She was "damaged" by teh chronosphere
He is in hiding building up the brotherhood.
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-Yes, but it was completely redesigned from scratch, he (Einstein) didn't say "we perfected it", he said (at least I got that impression) "look what cool new thing I invented".
- Yes he can, but there isn't really much chance that someone reaches 100 and is still actively researching. He was born in 1879, btw. (just looked it up)
- Yet I see no more advanced versions of those techs.
- Riiiiiight.
- But why wasn't he hiding in RA1, then? Ofcourse it *could* be, but there's nothing in RA2 that proves it or even hints at it.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29692] |
Wed, 09 July 2003 06:29 |
NHJ BV
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In RA2 there was technology that was way too advanced. RA3 is going to have to fill in the holes. i think almost everything is going to get destroyed (tech wise) and this will set the standard for Tiberian Dawn. Tha's the only answer I can come up with.
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I think RA3 will just be as unconnected to RA1 and the Tiberian series as RA2.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29747] |
Wed, 09 July 2003 10:24 |
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Ok well i was at westwood.com a year ago and i saw this news artical that said that Dr. MObius has proff of gdi relations existing long before he knew of it. it has a link to a page whith a mignifying glass type thing u could dragon around on the famouse panting of the declaration. after swiping the thing around it showed kane hidding behind a door during the signing of the delclaration of independance. the people who were signing it had nod or gdi engignias pinned on thier coats. Well i think this is proff of kane being a alien dont u think.
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Yeah, I remember. But that wasn't really meant seriously. Besides, Delphi once stated that "Kane is not a Scrin nor is he CABAL".
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #29923] |
Fri, 11 July 2003 02:02 |
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How is kane anyway? this whole story about the c&c universe sounds like it could be made into a real life action movie dont u think? a real long one at that.
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There was talk about that a while ago, but I think it would dissappoint most people (myself included) anyway.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #34917] |
Tue, 29 July 2003 22:46 |
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boma57
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Okay, here's my breakdown of it. Feel free to expand however you may, this is by no means and official compilation as Westwood never confirmed any of the fans speculations. I believe that we'll see that in the next C&C game, which was hopefully started by Westwood, and to be finished by EA.
There's something that I've not seen mentioned once, and that is that each Command & Conquer game had two storylines within itself. Depending on which campaign you played, a different side won.
So, starting with Red Alert, Einstein goes back and changes everything, breaking the C&C timeline off from our own. Red Alert I takes place. Now, when the Allies win, you see everything progress perfectly into Red Alert II, but there's two outcomes to the war. When the Soviets win, we see Stalin's secretary kill him, and Kane kill the secretary, apparently to then bring the Brotherhood of Nod to power. From there, the Tiberian Dawn/Tiberian Sun storyline takes place. It's the easiest explanation. 
Here's a diagram of where they all break off:
Now that the storyline's covered, let's talk about Kane.
Obviously, something's up with the guy, his first appearance was made in the 1940s during Red Alert I, and his last somewhere around 2020 during Tiberian Sun. Obviously, no man can withstand 80 years with no visible effects of aging.
There were many speculations about Kane, the most popular one being that he was working in coordination with the alien Scrin, the aliens to whom the ship in Tiberian Sun as well as the Tacitus originally belonged.
But, however, in Renegade, we found that hidden tomb beneath the Temple of Nod, apparently containing the body of Able of biblical origin. Able, the man who's brother, Cain, killed him in a fit of jealousy. As the story goes, God punished Cain. He was cursed to walk the Earth forever, with anyone who attempted to kill him being punished sevenfold. Cain was said to have fled to the land of Nod.
Can Kane be the biblical Cain? It's pretty probable, considering that this tomb was placed into Renegade, with heiroglyphics on the wall depicting a man murdering another.
But Kane certainly has a connection to Tiberium, what with his vast experiments and attempt to launch the Tiberium missile in Tiberian Sun.
What I believe the story to be is that Kane, wandering the world since the beginning of the world itself, was desperate to end his curse. Somehow, he came into contact with the alien Scrin, and by whatever means, they offered to lift his curse if he were to be their pawn on earth; the one who would prepare the earth for their purposes (whatever they may be) by covering it with Tiberium. After all, if he is the true, biblical Cain, he cannot be killed.
So, if Kane is not able to be killed, we can reason how he escaped the Temple in Tiberian Dawn, and how he could come back for a sequel after being impaled by GDI's McNeil in Tiberian Sun.
As a side note, it may also be important to mention that the biblical Cain had another brother...Seth.
A lot of the information on the biblical Cain and Able was taken from this site.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #34947] |
Wed, 30 July 2003 05:35 |
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boma57
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Okay, I just found something even more interesting. Here's a quote from Kane, from Tiberian Dawn. I'll cut out all but the interesting parts:
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"Welcome to the Brotherhood of Nod, sometimes referred to as the Ways of Nod or the Sha Ae Sheer. I prefer just the Brotherhood, for that is what we are truly striving for; a brotherhood of mankind, where all can live in peace and share the struggles of life as one.
As long as man has had breath the Brotherhood has existed. For from the beginning - when man's struggle was with nature, not knowing where he might sleep, how he would eat, or whether he would survive to see the light of dawn....People who believe that they are granted power over others, and would push others down so they might climb....
Such injustices are not just a sin against mankind, but also a sin against God. The Brotherhood had its beginnings with the first downtrodden who looked for a better way. These oppressed sought a path that would allow them to gather fruits of life and achieve enough resources and wealth that they and their families could survive and advance with the rest of mankind. Too often have these people been crushed beneath the boot of others, their measly gains stripped from them. Throughout history the "overlords," often self-appointed rulers, have forcefully taken the resources of those who could not defend themselves.
Whether we consider the pharaohs of Egypt, the Caesars of Rome, the kings of England, or the emperors of China, it was always the blood and sweat of others that created their empires....
...The Brotherhood has always existed to help those in need. By gathering the resources of our flock and obtaining additional material from our enemy in any manner deemed necessary, the Brotherhood continues to grow and gain power.....
We have always been here, behind the scenes, the guiding hand. Empires have fallen by our influence; leaders that could have caused our plans to go awry have silently vanished. The Brotherhood is always in the background, careful to make sure others do not notice our activities. We periodically supply aid to other causes to pull attention away from our true goal. We have slowly and steadily increased our power, but still were never truly able to confront the forces of evil head-on. For thousands of years we have waited for a sign...."
-Kane
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Cain was the son of Adam, so therefore "As long as man has had breath the Brotherhood has existed. For from the beginning - when man's struggle was with nature, not knowing where he might sleep, how he would eat, or whether he would survive to see the light of dawn...." makes sense, because Adam and Eve were banished from the Garden of Eden, and had to learn how to fend against nature.
And as far as "By gathering the resources of our flock and obtaining additional material from our enemy in any manner deemed necessary" goes, Able was a sheppard.
Is it further irony that Kane's new enemy in Tiberian Dawn is also a Sheppard? 
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #35352] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 06:49 |
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I don't see how RA2 could be connected to RA1 at all. It's completely different, It lacks seriousness, and the characters look nothing like the ones in RA1, so RA2 is as related to the C&C storyline as Generals and RA2 even has evidence that WW2 happened. (iwo hima memorial and USS Arizona)
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WW2 was never stopped in RA1. The only thing that was stopped by Einstein in RA1 was Hitler's involvement. After WW2 as we knew it took place, Einstein went back in time to take out Hitler because he thought that would prevent WW2, but it only postponed it. The Soviets now don't have Nazi Germany to hinder their advancements, and thus WW2 is started. Red Alert was World War 2.
Both the battle of Iwo Jima and Pearl Harbor could have still took place in the "new" WW2, they had nothing to do with Germany, both events were between the Japanese and Americans.
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But what really bugs me, is the way RA1 and TD seem to be connected, because they use a lot of the same stuff in both games (mammoth tanks, apaches), would that mean TD takes place right after RA?
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No. Tiberian Dawn takes place in the present, around 2000. Red Alert took place shortly after WW2 (Between the late 40's and 50's). That has more to do with Red Alert being on the same engine as TD, and the developers not wanting to spend extra time on coming up with new units to replace everything.
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| Where does the redalert story come in after the original c&a [message #35402] |
Fri, 01 August 2003 10:15 |
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OrcaPilot26
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No. Tiberian Dawn takes place in the present, around 2000. Red Alert took place shortly after WW2 (Between the late 40's and 50's). That has more to do with Red Alert being on the same engine as TD, and the developers not wanting to spend extra time on coming up with new units to replace everything.
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That doesn't make any sense, RA1 couldnt've taken place in the 50s, In RA1 there was jet aircraft, nuclear weapons, helicopters, And if WW2 never happened, that would've only slowed down advancements in technology, so RA1 would take place somewhere between the late 50s and early 70s
RA2 doesn't even fit into the storyline, It was made by what would become EAP, not Westwood.
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