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| Re: are we alone? [message #288941 is a reply to message #288857] |
Sun, 07 October 2007 13:04   |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 07 October 2007 00:55 |
That didn't actually answer my speculation. But you did make it easier to understand.
Using your example, of universe like micros in water and how they are all floating along side each other in water
But that was the question I was asking. What, using your example, is the water the universes are floating in? What lies BEYOND the universe, or what is containing the universe?
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They did have an answer on that too, but I've forgot it, but what I'd can remember is that the universe's are just like cells in an human body and everything in the Universe has an job to do.
Not sure if know you get these programes on TV where you are at, but over here in the UK, one of our main tv channels, channel four, is showing alot of these programmes to explain this stuff.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #290930 is a reply to message #290910] |
Tue, 16 October 2007 19:59 |
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| Jerad Gray wrote on Tue, 16 October 2007 20:18 |
Okay, just for everyone's info, viruses are not TECHINACLLY considered to be alive.
Also I once read that they found fossilized prints of bacteria on Mars or something along those lines.
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They also found where a stream used to be, on Mars.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #290933 is a reply to message #288258] |
Tue, 16 October 2007 22:06 |
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if aliens actually visited earth would you still be a christian?
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| Re: are we alone? [message #291126 is a reply to message #290957] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 19:12 |
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| Jecht wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 03:54 |
| Rocko wrote on Wed, 17 October 2007 00:06 |
if aliens actually visited earth would you still be a christian?
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Why the hell wouldn't you still be christian if Aliens visited earth? It's not as if there is a passage in the Bible that says:
Then God said, "Let the waters beneath the sky flow together into one place, so dry ground may appear." Then God said, "Let there not be aliens, for they are ugly and slimy and stuff."
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Does it say anywhere in the bible that there are other humans or peoples on other planets? What if those aliens had their own religion or had none at all? That's what i'm talking about.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #291135 is a reply to message #288258] |
Wed, 17 October 2007 20:24 |
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No, it doesn't say that to my knowledge. However, I don't think that there is a statement saying the contrary either.
On another note:
What if there are Aliens and they have a Monotheistic view strikingly similar to Christianity?
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| Re: are we alone? [message #291271 is a reply to message #291185] |
Thu, 18 October 2007 13:04 |
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| RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 18 October 2007 09:27 |
| Jecht wrote on Thu, 18 October 2007 04:24 |
On another note:
What if there are Aliens and they have a Monotheistic view strikingly similar to Christianity?
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There would be a huge war over it. Until one of us is completely wiped out.
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I think hes saying that they basically have the same religion as us. Like the people in the bible just have different names or something like that. If they had nearly the same view why would we fight over it?
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| Re: are we alone? [message #291378 is a reply to message #291271] |
Thu, 18 October 2007 22:12 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 18 October 2007 15:04 |
| RoShamBo wrote on Thu, 18 October 2007 09:27 |
| Jecht wrote on Thu, 18 October 2007 04:24 |
On another note:
What if there are Aliens and they have a Monotheistic view strikingly similar to Christianity?
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There would be a huge war over it. Until one of us is completely wiped out.
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I think hes saying that they basically have the same religion as us. Like the people in the bible just have different names or something like that. If they had nearly the same view why would we fight over it?
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Wouldn't something like aliens being athiest or having some compeletely different religion other than christianity really change your views as a christian? I think it would. Why didn't Jesus tell us about aliens? Are we not alone in the universe? Maybe it's possible we were just something that happened by mistake in the infinite universe and nothing special made us?
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| Re: are we alone? [message #295222 is a reply to message #288258] |
Tue, 06 November 2007 21:26 |
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At the risk of bumping an old topic, I feel i have something to contribute.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u-Z4gy1JSdg
This video, i find to be amazing. It really makes you think.
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Limits and The Problem With Infinity
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Now, a problem with this whole discussion is the fact that humans can not comprehend the concept of infinity. The reason for this is because everything we know, has a limit. Limits are everywhere and they ALWAYS exist. We know of nothing on earth and in life that does not have a limit besides space. There in lies the problem. Humans can only understand what they knew to be true and possible. Since we have no examples of infinity, we cannot understand it. Thinking of something that goes on for ever and ever does not make sense to us, and therefore we try to place it inside something in our heads. There are two possibilities regarding this matter.
1. Space is limitless, and is ever-expanding therefore making the chances of life elsewhere not only possible but probable.
2. Space has a limit. So what is it inside of and what is the limit of that and what is that in side of(and so on and so forth).
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Life Elsewhere
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If the universe is indeed infinite (which as far as we know, it is), then there are infinite chances to produce infinite results infinite times. If this is true (which again, must be since we can not prove otherwise) then infinite amount of life exists in infinite amount of space elsewhere.
In addition, who is to say that life can only exist where there are traces of water and oxygen. Why is it so implausible that other beings exist in ways that allow them to live off of really shitty climate and nitrogen.
Just because the only type of living conditions we know to sustain life are our own does not mean that there can not be other beings that depend on nitrogen or helium or other poisonous (to us) elements.
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Our 5 Senses
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Another thing that I have thought about is what if they exist in different senses. Ones that we do not posses. Then again, this goes along with the same theory as the infinity theory and how humans cannot comprehend it since we have no reference point of it. Trying to come up with a new name for a new sense is dumb seeing as a name would not do it justice. We only know of the senses we have, and that is ALL there is.
It is completely impossible to think up another sense and explain it's function without it being one we already have. Try it. If you can see it, that's already a sense. If you can taste it, that's already a sense. If you can Touch it, it's already a sense. If you can hear it, it's already a sense. If you can smell it, it's already a sense.
The only way would be to use words that don't exist, and you inevitably come back to a sense we already control.
If we can not See, Taste, Touch, Hear, or Smell something, then that something does not exist to us. What if there are an infinite amount of different types of things "Living" on earth wit us, but since we can not do any of the aforementioned to detect them, then do they really exist?
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Being An Atheist
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I am an atheist, and for the reasons listed above basically. I believe that everything was a giant insanely ridiculous coincidence, that eventually had to happen given the infinite amount of infinites involved in the equation.
I was going to be somewhere sometime one way or another, and this is just the life we lucked into. So what if it took an infinite amount of time to do, since before you're born, time effectively does not exist. It exists for others, but not for you. The trillions of years that went by before you and I were born happened instantly since time does not exist for those who are not alive.
Basically when you die, time will stop all together or start passing at an infinite speed, since if you are not alive everything is over. Not to others of course, but when you're dead it doesn't matter what others keep doing. You are not there to see, taste, feel, smell, or hear it, and it effectively just does not exist.
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The Silver Lining
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Basically what I have just said leaves one wondering what the point of life actually is since death is inevitable, and after death, everything is over. My theory is that we gain access to senses we never had and are able to basically "exist" elsewhere. Believing that life has no point is a depressing outlook and therefore I refuse to take it.
So with all of the infinite possibilities of what really lies after death, there must be something and no one alive (in our sense of the word) will ever know.
Live it up – Toter
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| Re: are we alone? [message #295255 is a reply to message #295242] |
Tue, 06 November 2007 23:44 |
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The afterlife was cooked up by humans to deal with the temptations of immortality...and to make the death of their loved ones easier on themselves. And to console themselves that there is more of the good shit after death.
Oh yeah "she's in a better place" bullshit. Nothing like self-consolation!
Which is the reason the death of a loved one will be very painful to me. To me, they are gone forever...erased out of time. All that remains will be their sacred grave, good deeds, their relationship to me, my memory of them, their photographs and the items they left behind.
Think about that deeply ^^
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| Re: are we alone? [message #295411 is a reply to message #288258] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 16:24 |
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No, we are not alone. Them damn alien lifeforms keep crossing our borders! On a serious note, no, I don't believe we are, but I also think we'll destroy ourselves as a whole before we have the technology to find out.
David Anderson
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| Re: are we alone? [message #295417 is a reply to message #288258] |
Wed, 07 November 2007 16:43 |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot
Does it really matter? I for one believe that the universe is too big to be completely empty. Some people believe that the earth is the "center" of the universe, but when you consider what an insignificant speck we are in the cosmos, for all our grand thinking, we aren't really squat.
I'd love to meet some aliens, but honestly, any advanced race would study us from orbit for a day or two, and decide that we are too primitive and barbaric to make contact with. Yeah, we like to think we are advanced and live in a star-trek like utopia...but go take a walk around your city after midnight, and see how safe you feel 
So, on one hand, maybe we should stop looking and hoping for aliens to come down and share technology with us and comfort us into not being alone, and concentrate on the home that we know for sure we have...instead of trashing the planet like some tenants that are about to move out of an apartment. Even if we were alone in the universe, we still have each other, if we could just stop all the hating and try to improve our overall group consciousness, we could truly advance as a race and maybe someday be worthy of meeting any other intelligent life that could be out there.
| Carl Sagan, 1996 |
We succeeded in taking that picture [from deep space], and, if you look at it, you see a dot. That's here. That's home. That's us. On it everyone you know, everyone you love, everyone you've ever heard of, every human being who ever was, lived out their lives. The aggregate of all our joys and sufferings, thousands of confident religions, ideologies and economic doctrines. Every hunter and forager, every hero and coward, every creator and destroyer of civilizations, every king and peasant, every young couple in love, every hopeful child, every mother and father, every inventor and explorer, every teacher of morals, every corrupt politician, every superstar, every supreme leader, every saint and sinner in the history of our species, lived there - on a mote of dust suspended in a sunbeam.
The Earth is a very small stage in a vast cosmic arena. Think of the rivers of blood spilled by all those generals and emperors so that in glory and triumph they could become the momentary masters of a fraction of a dot. Think of the endless cruelties visited by the inhabitants of one corner of the dot on scarcely distinguishable inhabitants of some other corner of the dot. How frequent their misunderstandings, how eager they are to kill one another, how fervent their hatreds. Our posturings, our imagined self-importance, the delusion that we have some privileged position in the universe, are challenged by this point of pale light.
Our planet is a lonely speck in the great enveloping cosmic dark. In our obscurity -- in all this vastness -- there is no hint that help will come from elsewhere to save us from ourselves. It is up to us. It's been said that astronomy is a humbling, and I might add, a character-building experience. To my mind, there is perhaps no better demonstration of the folly of human conceits than this distant image of our tiny world. To me, it underscores our responsibility to deal more kindly and compassionately with one another and to preserve and cherish this pale blue dot, the only home we've ever known.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #295833 is a reply to message #288258] |
Fri, 09 November 2007 15:35 |
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While we are on the subject of aliens:
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/science/11/09/simington.ufocommentary/index.html?ir ef=mpstoryview
I was also talking to some coworkers on our internal IRC, and made a couple of points:
<Charles> You know what's odd...there could be a *massive* UFO sighting..like let's say a giant UFO landed on top of the parking garage, and sat there for an hour, and thousands of people saw it...it would maybe be on the local news, and maybe a sub-headline on cnn.com for a few hours, and then within a couple days it would be as if it never happened
<Charles> I see stuff in the news all the time that makes one go HOLY CRAP, but in a day or two it fades away and nobody follows up on it or anything
I mention this because that news story actually makes reference to a similar situation, awhile back there was a massive UFO sighting at the chicago airport...thousands of people saw it and it was there for several minutes...yet within a couple of days the story was buried...why is that? It makes you wonder just what exactly has to happen for it to be "common knowledge" that there are real UFO's and whatnot. So far it looks like a UFO could land, and an alien could step out, and pee on everyones face, go "hah!" and then fly off, and week later nobody would even remember it happened and still be wondering if UFOs are real.
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