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| Re: are we alone? [message #288380 is a reply to message #288378] |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:25 |
| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:22 |
Here's a few questions to piss you off while your doing something-
Why is there a god?
Who made god?
God is what?
How old is god?
What was before god?
What started God?
Have fun.
Intelligent answers only please.
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One can only speculate answers to this. Just as one can only speculate what created the Big Bang. Was it a god that has no creator, or was initiated that has no creator? Whatever you come down to, there is still a point of "how the fuck did it get there in the first place?" Either way you answer it, it's impossible to mock the other person for believing that the matter always existed (how?) or whether there was a being that always existed (how?) to create the matter.
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Spoken like a true thinker.
That's exactly the kind of post that I DIDN'T expect to see on here.
Your right, the concept of-
"How the hell did it get there?" Is a huge subject of debate.
What started anything, in any situation will get people thinking.
Now, before the "big bang", what was there before? Random black space? This is starting to sound wierd, but...
Remember the ending to MIB? With the mutiple galaxies being played with like marbles? Now, I don't mean we are marbles,
but what if we're part of something bigger...And god as we know it, is just the "bigger being"..
Iunno, random ranting I guesss.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288387 is a reply to message #288380] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 19:51 |
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| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:29 |
Spoken like a true thinker.
That's exactly the kind of post that I DIDN'T expect to see on here.
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Well, it's kind of silly to be talking in absolutes about something we have no proof on. It's entirely a faith-based decision that you have to make.
As I meant to say, you can't mock someone for believing in the opposite and not consider yourself to be a hypocrite because it comes down to the same principle belief. Something always existed. Whether it was the matter, the matter's creator, the matter's creator's creator, and so on... That's what's up for debate. It's, also, quite silly for people to be calling each other idiots because one believes in a creator for the matter, or just the matter.
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Remember the ending to MIB? With the mutiple galaxies being played with like marbles? Now, I don't mean we are marbles,
but what if we're part of something bigger...And god as we know it, is just the "bigger being"..
Iunno, random ranting I guesss.
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Then, in theory, are we capable of creating something so much smaller than ourselves that would be unable to say, with certainty, that we exist? If so, how close are we to this technology?
whoa.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288388 is a reply to message #288375] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 19:55 |
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| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:22 |
Here's a few questions to piss you off while your doing something-
Why is there a god?
Who made god?
God is what?
How old is god?
What was before god?
What started God?
Have fun.
Intelligent answers only please.
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If you read the bible, you will find all this out in heaven. It says that your mind can't comprehend it right now on earth, but it will all be explained in the afterlife. 
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288391 is a reply to message #288388] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 19:59 |
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| Sn1per74* wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:55 |
| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:22 |
Here's a few questions to piss you off while your doing something-
Why is there a god?
Who made god?
God is what?
How old is god?
What was before god?
What started God?
Have fun.
Intelligent answers only please.
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If you read the bible, you will find all this out in heaven. It says that your mind can't comprehend it right now on earth, but it will all be explained in the afterlife.
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I can write a book that says if you give me 20% of your income, infinite wisdom will come your way because that 20% being donated to me honors God, or some other mystical being, and he/she/it will grant you this wisdom.
Someone can tell me they'll meet me for lunch, but at that moment, I don't know if they really are or not. I could speculate, hope, and trust that they will, but until the moment arrives for that meeting, I won't have the answer.
whoa.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288399 is a reply to message #288395] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 20:07 |
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| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 23:02 |
Well, Who's not to say that we're someone else's creation?
Someone/something, bigger, smarter, etc etcer, created us.
And now we live, in their little world.
We think things are "big" to us.
But really, how "big" are we?
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That's what I've been saying...
I mentioned a thought provoking discussion seen/heard on "Animal House". It's a great movie. 
whoa.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288400 is a reply to message #288398] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 20:08 |
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| BlueThen wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:06 |
We're already at the point where we could create our own science and intelligence... programming ftw.
So if you look at it a different way... programmers are gods. o.o
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Yeah. But before doing that, please make it so my friggin' toaster doesn't burn my sourdough, and so my car can scratch my ass while in gridlock.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288421 is a reply to message #288400] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 22:02 |
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For FFS keep all your religions out of this thread. Please don't bring religion or anything about God here please unless absolutely necessary. We have had enough of those here. The threadstarter is asking for a valid reasoning from Atheists to answer the question.
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Everything the threadstarter listed about Earth is what makes life sustain in this planet. If similar circumstances have taken place elsewhere, I am sure life will be present also. Considering that we are made up of star dust, and that this star dust is everywhere in the universe, it is only logical to say that if given the right conditions, life would indeed be alive elsewhere.
If it was a accident, there are several inconsistencies with it. The word "accident" should not be used in this matter. Life evolved in this planet because Earth was made habitable by the natural forces that shaped it during it's formation and the location in space it came to rest on.
Take for example, the atmosphere. It is agreed that atmospheres are present simply due to the turn of natural events that formed a planet. Just because Earth's atmosphere supports/protects lifeforms does not mean that it was created specifically for humans by another entity. Mars has an atmosphere but due to several variables, it currently cannot support life that evolved on planet Earth. I bolded that to show that life forms do not always need oxygen/carbon/nitrogen to survive. So, it's a matter of thinking outside the box and we must be open to all possibities.
Take the planet HD 209458 b for example. It was found that this gas planet has an atmosphere that may have water vapor. Furthermore, it seems to have oxygen and carbon. It is a great finding and more research is being done to try to solidify the initial findings.
IMO, alien life and other Earth-like planets exist...it's is only a matter of us finding them and acknowledgeing their existence with solid scientific proof.
There are so many secrets that we have not figured out here on Earth...and we are already looking into space. We still do not know how elephants communicate with each other over massive distances. We do not know what type of vision animals have (visual, infrared, etc).
Likewise, life on other planets is a 100% possibility and that life may come in many forms. We tend to associate the word "alien" with humanoid lifeforms. But living beings located outside our planet may come in different forms. I am certain that life-forms, both big and small exist all over the universe.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288688 is a reply to message #288362] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 00:49 |
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| NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 18:57 |
Of all the billions of planets orbiting billions of stars in millions of galaxies... if life exists anywhere (and we can fairly assume that it does  ), the odds against there being life elsewhere as well are absurdly low. Somewhere just by pure, dumb luck (or design, if you'd rather have it that way), there must be at least several hundred thousand more planets orbiting stars like our sun at exactly the right distance, in exactly the right place in their respective galaxies, with massive planets like Jupiter to gobble up all the 'roids. Out of all those many, there must be some on which the proper atmospheric conditions and lunar counterbalance exits in order to make life possible.
Honestly, the thought of there not being other life out there- and intelligent life, at that, given how long the universe has been around- is utterly incomprehensible to me.
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That's like... the same thing I said. 
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288847 is a reply to message #288833] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 21:13 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 06 October 2007 23:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:25 |
One can only speculate answers to this. Just as one can only speculate what created the Big Bang. Was it a god that has no creator, or was initiated that has no creator? Whatever you come down to, there is still a point of "how the fuck did it get there in the first place?" Either way you answer it, it's impossible to mock the other person for believing that the matter always existed (how?) or whether there was a being that always existed (how?) to create the matter.
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Well the big bang is simple to think about really... it was just a small condenced space filled with all the matter in our Universe. It continued to absorb and/or create matter until it couldn't handle the mass of what it had and exploded.
The real question to speculate is what lies beyond the Universe?
The Universe is what is outside of everything... correct? Well, if that is true, then when(if) the Big bang happened, it had to be contained within some sort of space.
Unless there was something beyond the universe. Or else really, how is the Universe created... within the Universe?
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So a "small, condensed space" could randomly start creating and absorbing matter, yet a god can't exist? If
whoa.
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| Re: are we alone? [message #288851 is a reply to message #288387] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 22:14 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 21:51 |
| Renerage wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:29 |
Spoken like a true thinker.
That's exactly the kind of post that I DIDN'T expect to see on here.
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Well, it's kind of silly to be talking in absolutes about something we have no proof on. It's entirely a faith-based decision that you have to make.
As I meant to say, you can't mock someone for believing in the opposite and not consider yourself to be a hypocrite because it comes down to the same principle belief. Something always existed. Whether it was the matter, the matter's creator, the matter's creator's creator, and so on... That's what's up for debate. It's, also, quite silly for people to be calling each other idiots because one believes in a creator for the matter, or just the matter.
| Renerage |
Remember the ending to MIB? With the mutiple galaxies being played with like marbles? Now, I don't mean we are marbles,
but what if we're part of something bigger...And god as we know it, is just the "bigger being"..
Iunno, random ranting I guesss.
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Then, in theory, are we capable of creating something so much smaller than ourselves that would be unable to say, with certainty, that we exist? If so, how close are we to this technology?
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In technology terms, we are very far off, but we have an theory on how it could be done, they believe they have the maths to do it, but to be honest, the whole idea of creating an entire Universe in our own, scares me, what if they get it wrong... we could destroy ourselfs.
| razorblade001 wrote on Sat, 06 October 2007 22:05 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:25 |
One can only speculate answers to this. Just as one can only speculate what created the Big Bang. Was it a god that has no creator, or was initiated that has no creator? Whatever you come down to, there is still a point of "how the fuck did it get there in the first place?" Either way you answer it, it's impossible to mock the other person for believing that the matter always existed (how?) or whether there was a being that always existed (how?) to create the matter.
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Well the big bang is simple to think about really... it was just a small condenced space filled with all the matter in our Universe. It continued to absorb and/or create matter until it couldn't handle the mass of what it had and exploded.
The real question to speculate is what lies beyond the Universe?
The Universe is what is outside of everything... correct? Well, if that is true, then when(if) the Big bang happened, it had to be contained within some sort of space.
Unless there was something beyond the universe. Or else really, how is the Universe created... within the Universe?
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The present theory of that is there is an unlimited number of Universe's, an easy way to understand this, is that the universe is floating alongside an unlimited number of other universe's, like micros in water.
An other theory on top of that explains the big bang, the theory explains when one universe bumps into an other, an new universe is born, the birth of a new one, has no effect on the others around it, but with two universes bumping into one other, they transform the raw stuff to make everything, like a child you could say.
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