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| Religious - God [message #288396] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 20:04  |
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BlueThen
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Let's see if any of you can prove if he exists or doesn't.
Don't say that he exists because a lot of people think it. Don't say "there isn't enough proof", supply your sources and be descriptive.
I'm personally a christian, and I believe in god. The proof: The bible, and many stories who others think are "coincidincel", that a person would pray during a severe sickness, and then miracously cured.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288424 is a reply to message #288403] |
Thu, 04 October 2007 22:23  |
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First, the first 3 posts are made by believers of different degrees...as such I expected and got the biased reply I was looking for.
| BlueThen wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:04 |
Let's see if any of you can prove if he exists or doesn't.
Don't say that he exists because a lot of people think it. Don't say "there isn't enough proof", supply your sources and be descriptive.
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It never will because it is a belief. God cannot be proven to exist and God cannot be proven to not exist. Because it is a belief; you believe there is a god.
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 04 October 2007 22:13 |
What makes me think there's something higher? I've had too many close calls while driving that I can't attribute to anything but coincidence or something higher. However, it's happened so often that I can't believe in it being coincidental. For instance, me not paying close enough attention of those driving around me that I accelerate and end up missing the car passing in front of me by a fraction of a second. This has happened several times.
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You cannot use everyday reality to justify the presense of a protective force from above. And just how many people have "lost it" at that fraction of the second? So were they undeserving of God's mercy? It's about timing and Physics...and the reality of everyday life.
So, the innocent people on the hijacked 9/11 airliners were all bad? Were they deemed bad by God? It is a tragedy and death does not discriminate it's victims.
You must understand that good fortune and bad fortune befalls everyone regardless of religious beliefs. The believers' collective failure to understand this basic concept is why they still ask "why are evil people doing so well" and "why does God punish the righteous." Please think about it carefully.
Life is so simple, please don't make it much more complicated that it already is.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288446 is a reply to message #288403] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 02:30 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:13 |
As far as my beliefs, I feel that the odds we just existed are too small to convince me that we just happened by accident.
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This is the only thing that I feel can be proven, there is overwhelming evidence to support the idea that we have evolved, tracing it all the way back to the first unicellular life, eukaryotic cells, multicellular organisms, mammals, primates, apes and eventually man - there is evidence in the fossil record, embryology, physiological similarities that clearly demonstrate evolution in action for ALL living things, ourselves included.
We simply were not put on this earth as human beings and in a few million years we will be as different from what we are today as we currently are from our ancestors such as australopithecus and the chimpanzees. Anybody who spends the time to really look at a chimpanzee or bonobo and refuses to admit the connection is simply kidding themselves.
Of course none of this will come close to disproving the existance of "God" as, as has been stated, it can't be done - for me though it disproves "that" argument which religious types often cling on to.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288471 is a reply to message #288446] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 05:36 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:30 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 05:13 |
As far as my beliefs, I feel that the odds we just existed are too small to convince me that we just happened by accident.
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This is the only thing that I feel can be proven, there is overwhelming evidence to support the idea that we have evolved, tracing it all the way back to the first unicellular life, eukaryotic cells, multicellular organisms, mammals, primates, apes and eventually man - there is evidence in the fossil record, embryology, physiological similarities that clearly demonstrate evolution in action for ALL living things, ourselves included.
We simply were not put on this earth as human beings and in a few million years we will be as different from what we are today as we currently are from our ancestors such as australopithecus and the chimpanzees. Anybody who spends the time to really look at a chimpanzee or bonobo and refuses to admit the connection is simply kidding themselves.
Of course none of this will come close to disproving the existance of "God" as, as has been stated, it can't be done - for me though it disproves "that" argument which religious types often cling on to.
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Uhh... do you even know what my beliefs are? I am a believer of the Big Bang. My whole point is that how life was sustained here in such a perfect balance that I can't view it to be anything other than some higher being's design.
Look at it this way: Rome had a creator. Nobody's going to argue that the founder just spoke the city/empire into existence. It evolved into the mighty empire that it was. I'm saying that there's a higher power that basically did the same thing. Except, the higher power is, obviously, more powerful than us and KNEW what was going to happen.
Starbuzz:
You COMPLETELY missed my point. I'm not talking about good or bad fortune and being "worthy" if a higher power's grace. I'm talking about how these incidents were as such that I feel are more than consequences. You can either look at everything one of two ways: everything's a miracle or nothing's a miracle. You, obviously, believe in the latter.
whoa.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288508 is a reply to message #288396] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 08:18 |
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If life on earth is the result of a higher being's creation after the Big Bang, was that higher being also created by the Big Bang? If so, how was it created and why did it not need to be created--it surely is/was more complicated than the simple life that began on Earth? If not, does it really make any sense for something to have existed before (for lack of a better word) time and the physical universe?
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288524 is a reply to message #288396] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 08:39 |
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288531 is a reply to message #288508] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 08:51 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 11:18 |
If life on earth is the result of a higher being's creation after the Big Bang, was that higher being also created by the Big Bang? If so, how was it created and why did it not need to be created--it surely is/was more complicated than the simple life that began on Earth? If not, does it really make any sense for something to have existed before (for lack of a better word) time and the physical universe?
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^^ Love it.
I know that in some way you don't think our existance is an accident, I disagree with that completely and think it's complete 100% pure luck.
God surely didn't create a damn thing if all he did was blow up a big bomb and let everything do it's thing, in rome everything was designed each structure was created by humans following that design. I find arguments such as "it's too hard to comprehend" or "the odds are too slim" so therefor God must have done it to be laughable tbh - for me God is a way of people explaining things they don't understand, things that we never used to understand such as evolution God used to be responsible for I think the discovery of these sorts of things and the shift in beliefs of a lot of religous types shows, to me at least, evidence to reinforce my view.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288554 is a reply to message #288508] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 09:17 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 11:18 |
If life on earth is the result of a higher being's creation after the Big Bang, was that higher being also created by the Big Bang? If so, how was it created and why did it not need to be created--it surely is/was more complicated than the simple life that began on Earth? If not, does it really make any sense for something to have existed before (for lack of a better word) time and the physical universe?
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To answer your post, I repost my response in the "are we alone?" thread:
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you can't mock someone for believing in the opposite and not consider yourself to be a hypocrite because it comes down to the same principle belief. Something always existed. Whether it was the matter, the matter's creator, the matter's creator's creator, and so on... That's what's up for debate. It's, also, quite silly for people to be calling each other idiots because one believes in a creator for the matter, or just the matter.
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For any of us to even attempt to claim that a god can't exist is laughable. If no god exists, where did the matter come from? If it always existed, how is that any less ludicrous than a god always existing?
whoa.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288583 is a reply to message #288396] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 10:16 |
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Nothing resembling our notion of consciousness or "creation" could exist without time.
EDIT: Unfortunately, I'm going home for Thanksgiving in an hour so I won't be able to continue this thread for a few days... hope it doesn't totally degenerate in that time.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288602 is a reply to message #288396] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 12:07 |
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I'm religious, but I have a skewed way of looking at life.
It's said God made us in his image, right? Well humanity is friggin' lazy as hell.
So God created the Earth, but then he got bored, so he has us on some 'set-it-and-forget' scheme where we evolve, think for ourselves, etc. Humans love that kind of stuff, where we don't have to micromanage everything. So why should God?
I love my theory, because it ties in creationism, and evolution, which both have quite a few similarities. 
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288604 is a reply to message #288602] |
Fri, 05 October 2007 12:10 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 15:07 |
I'm religious, but I have a skewed way of looking at life.
It's said God made us in his image, right? Well humanity is friggin' lazy as hell.
So God created the Earth, but then he got bored, so he has us on some 'set-it-and-forget' scheme where we evolve, think for ourselves, etc. Humans love that kind of stuff, where we don't have to micromanage everything. So why should God?
I love my theory, because it ties in creationism, and evolution, which both have quite a few similarities.
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Uhh, we were created in His image. God is a spirit. Our spirit is made in that image, not the laziness.
whoa.
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| Re: Religious - God [message #288770 is a reply to message #288396] |
Sat, 06 October 2007 13:02 |
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| Starbuzz wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 22:32 |
Eitherway, what we do know is that our bodies will decay and perish after we die and I am not sure if we will get it back.
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I thank our ancestors, and the dead dinosaurs for allowing me gas up my V8 trucks.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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