| Wol Listings [message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 21:10  |
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i think is unfair that the a00 are top of listings and and the rest have like no player because its 2 low cant wol make it so instead list by host name they just mix around the servers it would be a lot more fair
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272384 is a reply to message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 21:48  |
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Wol isnt dead, it's xwis lol, but the fact it auto list the servers as hostname isnt fair, I think remixing them each time would seem fair like joe says, there needs to be a random button where you can set servers to show as random.
| Scrin wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 12:19 |
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KANE LIVES!!!
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272391 is a reply to message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 22:35 |
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I wonder if possible through the client scripts.dll, that maybe we can change server listing to by name or by player ammount, I dont know, but it might work, Not sure....
It may be possible by talking to XWIS admins, I doubt they will do it though.
| Scrin wrote on Fri, 05 October 2007 12:19 |
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KANE LIVES!!!
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272394 is a reply to message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 22:55 |
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a00 is what's keeping us alive, to be honest. If the list were random, then all of the servers would only have a few people on them and people who like big games wouldn't be able to find one. With the a000 nicknames, nearly all of the first-page servers are well-run and enjoy high traffic.
What really needs to happen is for the servers that are empty most of the time to shut down and merge into existing communities that are more popular. There simply aren't enough players to fill all the servers that people want to run, and randomizing the list isn't going to change that.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272396 is a reply to message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 22:58 |
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yes thats a good point but kinda unfair that there cant eb any new servs because of it and some already existing are having troubles and like the one i paly with have there own mods and stuff going ion and dont wanna merge
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272405 is a reply to message #272394] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 23:19 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 00:55 |
a00 is what's keeping us alive, to be honest. If the list were random, then all of the servers would only have a few people on them and people who like big games wouldn't be able to find one. With the a000 nicknames, nearly all of the first-page servers are well-run and enjoy high traffic.
What really needs to happen is for the servers that are empty most of the time to shut down and merge into existing communities that are more popular. There simply aren't enough players to fill all the servers that people want to run, and randomizing the list isn't going to change that.
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a00 is keeping your servers alive, thats it and the only reason servers at the top are always full is because new players always join there first.
They dont join you because you provide a good server or anything.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272414 is a reply to message #272381] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 23:34 |
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This topic has been made several times in the server owners forum and there has never been an answer. Thing is: there is no fair way of listing. List on title and everyone will start using tricks to get on top. List on playercount and people will start faking playercounts (perfectly possible server side). List on ping and then it'll depend on how close you are to the xwis host (not to mention the fact the xwis pings are seriously flawed). List randomly and more servers will have 2 or 3 players and all the newbies will leave because of "dead game, there's noone online" as many of them just don't know you can scroll down the freaking list.
The only way to make this half fair is to have blackhand studios redistribute the a00 - nicks to communities with merit. It would at least stop some people from gaining a lot of money from selling their nick (which they got for free on a first come, first serve basis!!!). But the list wouldn't change much for sure as the main communities already regrouped around the first page.
Some people made it without a a00 - nick btw, take a look at Kamuix. It's just much harder to get trafic this way.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272415 is a reply to message #272410] |
Tue, 10 July 2007 23:35 |
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Even if the server listings were switched around, people would simply scroll down to find their favorite servers. They won't simply play in any server.
For example, there are many servers that have the new maps (from CP2) but the only server I trust for that is the Jelly-new map-pack server. It's very stable, kicks ass, and is the most popular. It is well-run and good quality...I won't go anywhere else to play in the new maps.
| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 01:25 |
Would be very intersting to see what would happen if the servers at the bottom changed nicknames for a week with the top ones.
I bet the (z names) ones will soon fill up while the (a00) start to see player drops, only the die hard players will stay, the newbies would just click on the first server at the top.
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There are more "diehards" than newbies. How many newbies discover Renegade each day? It is true that newbies would most definitely click on the first ones but how long do you think they are gonna stay there?
Take a look at the listings and you see that the smaller servers have next to no players...they are empty most of the time, if not all the time. Newbies learn quick...they will find good servers like Jelly, n00bstories, and many others.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272438 is a reply to message #272416] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 01:57 |
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Whether you join a server is (usually) because of a00
Whether you go back there is how well it's run
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272439 is a reply to message #272438] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 02:10 |
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| Spoony wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 01:57 |
Whether you join a server is (usually) because of a00
Whether you go back there is how well it's run
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 July 2007 23:34 |
List randomly and more servers will have 2 or 3 players and all the newbies will leave because of "dead game, there's noone online" as many of them just don't know you can scroll down the freaking list.
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 10 July 2007 23:34 |
The only way to make this half fair is to have blackhand studios redistribute the a00 - nicks to communities with merit.
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"Half" fair is right... but I think people overall would have less of a problem if they didn't see 5 Jelly servers at the top of the list. But, I also know that Jelly has given/loaned other nicknames out (like, to me for example), so they're not TRYING be a big-ass monopoly.
But, overall, the list wouldn't change much if they were redistributed.
You guys who want to run servers need to just realize that there AREN'T ENOUGH PLAYERS for you. Period. There may never be. If you want to run a server so badly, just become a regular with an established server and try to become a staff member. If they don't want you, try another server. If they don't want you either, then you probably had no business trying to run a server in the first place.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272453 is a reply to message #272381] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 03:14 |
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Have you ever thought on how, they got so big in the first place?
Because of the a00 names, because they was at the top.
FanMaps used to have three to four full servers, when I first joined them as a clan member and they was a the top.
Now, we are the bottom (called MP now), we have fewer players, we still have a strong Renegade community who play in our servers, but the days of a all our servers being full are long gone.
If we had a higher listing, that would soon change.
Also, I have noticed, everytime i login, the listings aint in a00 order now?, its like mixed up, is that just me or anyone else affected?
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272460 is a reply to message #272453] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 03:51 |
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| IronWarrior wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 12:14 |
Have you ever thought on how, they got so big in the first place?
Because of the a00 names, because they was at the top.
FanMaps used to have three to four full servers, when I first joined them as a clan member and they was a the top.
Now, we are the bottom (called MP now), we have fewer players, we still have a strong Renegade community who play in our servers, but the days of a all our servers being full are long gone.
If we had a higher listing, that would soon change.
Also, I have noticed, everytime i login, the listings aint in a00 order now?, its like mixed up, is that just me or anyone else affected?
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Back in the days (2003-2004), servers were way more expensive and theer were way more players. When you got a serevr up, you got trafic basically. The fact n00bstories, UN, fanmaps, The KOSs2, ... got strong has nothing to do with a000 back then but by the fact they put a lot of effort in their server(s) and people liked them. The fact n00bstories has always been closely linked to these forums in the person of Crimson has ofcourse helped them out as well.
And yes: it's bullshit to say that e.g. n00bstories (best known exemple) would still get as many players as they do now if they were at the bottom of the list, but there would certainly be a loyal amount of players still playing there.
About the ordering: you prolly run ressurection, which allows you to change the WOL listing.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272464 is a reply to message #272381] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 04:12 |
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I have been running a server longer than almost every single server on the list. In fact, I can't think of a server on the list that started before I did. As Gozy said, back when servers were expensive and players plentiful, it didn't matter where you were placed on the list. Now it does. Of course I wouldn't have nearly as many players as I do now due to my high listing, but I think I've done enough to deserve it. If my server were empty as much as some other people who like wasting their money, I would shut it down.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272473 is a reply to message #272381] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 04:39 |
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At first: this can not be changed from the XWIS server side, so the players need to download something to get their server list reordered in a more "fair" way. Even if they would know about this mod, it is not in any way a positive change for the player, so why would they want to have it?
If something should be done about this, then you should have an advantage for the player. There are two things to keep in mind:
- Regulars want to find the server they like, and don't want to search in the list for the right server. With the new scripts.dll, I always either use the Buddy List or sort the servers by name to find BI, that's annoying. A better solution would be to make a preferred server list and place them on top of the list. Then you can easily find the server you want.
- New players or players who for some reason want another server than they usually visit, don't really care which server, they want to play. So: Show only non-clan, non-passworded games on top. Then order by player count so people can easily select which amount of players they like.
Random ordering annoys everyone, and is a huge step in the wrong direction if you ask me. It's the players that are important, not the server owners who want to have a lot of players in their servers.
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| Re: Wol Listings [message #272486 is a reply to message #272473] |
Wed, 11 July 2007 05:17 |
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| StealthEye wrote on Wed, 11 July 2007 04:39 |
It's the players that are important, not the server owners who want to have a lot of players in their servers.
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That is very much the most important thing to remember here. It's always about the players. So long as the top-of-the-list servers are delivering an overwhelmingly positive experience for the players, I don't have a problem.
I'm the bawss.
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