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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #267809 is a reply to message #267760] |
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| StealthEye wrote on Thu, 21 June 2007 11:24 |
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People simply use religion as a means of doing evil, it's not the root. it is an effective tool when put in the wrong hands.
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Either that, or they beleive so strongly in something, that they think it is neccecary to spread that at all cost. I really don't think there are a lot of wars about religion itself, and not only used as a tool.
But even if it was only used as a tool, doesn't that make it a scary thing anyway? A gun made for hunting, but perfectly capable of killing people with?
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The only thing is (and yes, I'm quoting Dogma of all movies) when people let an idea become so ingrained that they refuse to acknowledge the possibility of anything else, they will defend themselves from being "wrong" to any and all extents.
This is not only restricted to Religion. Politics, Science, friendship, etc. are all just as likely to resort to underhanded means to prevent themselves from being wrong and to not accept ideas that conflict with their own beliefs.
As for using tools for evil, ANY tool can be done like that. From feathers (used in conjunction with tar for the purpose of humiliation) to pens (this coined the phrase "the pen is mightier than the sword") to even lint (put enough together next to a heat source). All are tools that can be used to do "evil". However, it is not the purpose they were created for. Religion, for better or worse, is a human creation. It is used to "reveal" the existence of a higher being (Yes, I'm being very vague and generalized on purpose). That's all. Some people use it in a good way, some in a bad way. However, that does not make it an inherently "evil" thing.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #267866 is a reply to message #255920] |
Thu, 21 June 2007 15:42 |
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I think, religion is not only used as "cover" for doing bad things (understantement  ).
I think it is also causing people to do bad things. Not everyone, definitely not, but I think some people, only a small group, are doing bad things because of religion. Yes, everything could, ofcourse, if you are so much liking to eat bananas that you think you can kill people to get more bananas, however I think there are many more people having religious reasons than the fact that they like bananas. Religion isn't the root of all evil, but I do think that it causes more evil to happen than bananas do.
Religion I think, it causing wars and problems on its own, it is not only used as a fake reason to get support for it. Which is what the thing I quoted said.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #267906 is a reply to message #255920] |
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I agree. People just use religion as a reason. If religion didn't exist, people would find other reasons to.
And I believe that if we lived in a world where there were no moral restrictions, people would be doing all kinds of ungodly things. I refrain from doing wrong acts not because I'm afraid of the law, but because I have moral restrictions.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268086 is a reply to message #255920] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 07:01 |
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Am starting to think people have forgotten history.
Jecht, people need a reason to go to war, they dont go to war because they are "people", they go to war because of a reason and an idea that they held high, like forcing an other mans god on an other like muslims and christians used to do all so very long ago.
I can look back on my English and European history and find many wars over this.
No point in really debating this any further to be honest, we all believe our points to be set in stone and none of us will agree.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268280 is a reply to message #268270] |
Fri, 22 June 2007 21:17 |
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| Jecht wrote on Fri, 22 June 2007 21:00 |
People just need a reason to go to war. It could be anything, but many use religion as a scapegoat. If religion wasn't there, it would be something else.
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The Catholic church went on crusades to stamp out heresy. Not exactly scapegoating anything here but.. yeah you see what I mean.
(I know you could argue the will of the Pope at that time may not have been the fault of religion. But it's something to think about)
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268325 is a reply to message #255920] |
Sat, 23 June 2007 01:35 |
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Again, Hitler was an extremist who wanted power. Was it the fault of the Jewish folk that he wanted them stamped out forever? No.
Also, I'd like to point out that I'm not Catholic and I know little about the crusades. Other than that Jerusalem was taken over and re-taken over several times throughout the bout. I can say that a war caused by some mortal man does not make God less real though.
It's the views of the extremists that ruin what the true vision of many churches is. My church does food drives, helps addicts become un-addicted, educates people about our savior, and other acts of charity and compassion. It would hardly ever be accused of starting a war against heretics. That's misguided, you don't kill non-believers, <u>you inform the ones that come to you</u> and hope they get the picture. If they don't, then at least you tried.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268356 is a reply to message #255920] |
Sat, 23 June 2007 04:35 |
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Just in case you all thought I was jumping on an anti-religion bandwagon. I was actually just trying to bring up a bit deeper discussion about how a lot of the time religion is mis represented by people in power.
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268777 is a reply to message #267587] |
Mon, 25 June 2007 22:03 |
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| C4miner wrote on Wed, 20 June 2007 18:53 |
God probably does not exist. There has never been a shred of evidence to lend credence to his existence, and I suspect there never will be. However, if some evidence should surface, I should change my opinion.
Until then, I remain an atheist and deny the existence of God or the Holy Spirit.
It is my opinion that religion, both moderate forms of it but more notably its extremist incarnations (radical Islam) are among the greatest sources of evil among man, whether it be money-obsessed, lying televangelists or Muslim jihadists.
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That's what faith is. You may not have tangible evidence that there is a god, but I definately KNOW God is real. Why? There are many inexplicable events that happened in my life and I KNOW he helped me. God doesn't want you to know how he got there. I'm sure he'll explain it when you get up to heaven. Maybe it's just a test.
On another note: I think that just because somebody grows up in a buddhist/hindu/whatever religious family doesn't mean they're not going to go to heaven. If they believe in strongly for that god because they grew up to worship him, I think God will let them into heaven because he sees their faith. Along with believing in another god they also must lead a good life. What do y'all think?
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268852 is a reply to message #268770] |
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| AoBfrost wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 22:53 |
| NuNeGa wrote on Mon, 25 June 2007 18:48 |
meaning of life is to prepare for the next life by making moral decisions, if you fail to reach this morallity then you are reincarnated until you do.
Eventually you join the army of god against the devil
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That sounds sorta like Hinduism to me, reincarnated into a cow or something, but so tell me this, I'm not saying your wrong but, if I dont have memory or anyone else doesn't have memory of a past life...then how do we know we have had pass lives if we don't even know or remember them?
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well say you lived a good life but still werent up to scratch, would u really waste all ur time trying again.
People cant be reincarnated as cows, only people.
As for hinduism, this is just something i thought up when i was bored a while back.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268944 is a reply to message #255920] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 14:51 |
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...I dont think something you made up counts as a religion or could make much sense, in the past there have been many of these religious and meaning of life threads but they all lead down to Christianity vs science/evolution, I still stand by my previous comments that the only way to heaven is by Jesus Christ and not any other misleading method created by people, like SNiper74 has said is that he knows God exist, so do I, but the thing is sniper, most religions have a different God which the people worship, yet some religions believe you continuously become reincarnated thus when you die..you really dont go to heaven.......soooo..I'm not saying anyone is wrong, I wasnt raised to belive what i do, but it's because I myself have experienced and seen things that neither science can explain but only Christianity could and have come to agree and believe in it.
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| Re: Religion discussion from "Meaning of Life" thread [message #268967 is a reply to message #255920] |
Tue, 26 June 2007 15:38 |
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What I don't understand is why religion has to work outside the bounds of science. Perhaps God wanted things to evolve to best suit their enviroments?
No one ever seems to think that maybe God did create creatures that could evolve, and that certain things in the bible aren't literal?
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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