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| Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258575] |
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I hate the fallowing things about renegade.
-Pic/railgun: Bullshit that they can do fucking 100 damage to your tank and you cant hit them or half the time see yourself being hit.
-How Nod has stealth and GDI has nothing of that sort, on a map with no base defenses this is a way unfair advantage Nod dose not have to worry about a freakin' Ion in there base from someone they never saw coming!
-How snipers damage helicoptors/humvees/arties/buggies/MRLS/ any vehicle more than a rocket or a tank shell dose.
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258576 is a reply to message #258575] |
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| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
I hate the fallowing things about renegade.
-Pic/railgun: Bullshit that they can do fucking 100 damage to your tank and you cant hit them or half the time see yourself being hit.
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tanks > PICs and Raveshaws. if you think otherwise, you can't handle a tank.
| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
-How Nod has stealth and GDI has nothing of that sort, on a map with no base defenses this is a way unfair advantage Nod dose not have to worry about a freakin' Ion in there base from someone they never saw coming!
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not really a big deal
| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
-How snipers damage helicoptors/humvees/arties/buggies/MRLS/ any vehicle more than a rocket or a tank shell dose.
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I agree this is stupid
what do I hate? cheats, flaming APCs, bluescreening, and people who whine about "pointwhoring" because they suck too much to do anything about it.
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258587 is a reply to message #258575] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 03:37 |
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If you cannot kill PIC's and Raveshaw's with your tanks, you should consider improving your aim.
Nod's stealth and speed abilities compensate with the armor and firepower of GDI. You may as well whine about Nod not having a tank equal to the med tank. Each tank has it's own ups and downs. As for infantry, GDI has a gunner, Nod has an SBH. One has firepower, one is stealthy. If Nod didn't have SBH anyway, then GDI would just chill down and roll a joint on maps like Walls, not worrying about sbh nukes.
As for the sniper, if you buy that in clanwars of a size of for example 2v2 3v3, you cannot repair the tank that you are in, but you can damage their flying vehicle faster. And you also pay 1000 for it. It's kinda compensated. And who cares if your Buggy of 300 loses against a Havoc that costs 1000 anyway.
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258588 is a reply to message #258576] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 03:42 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 07:34 |
tanks > PICs and Raveshaws. if you think otherwise, you can't handle a tank..
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Aye, unfortunately I am in the can't handle a tank category, but I don't go round bitching about it  I just get my trusty sniper rifle instead
I know full well I suck with tanks, which is why 80% of the games I play I never buy a tank, always stick with heavy infantry.
When I do buy vehicles I tend to go for a mobile artillery for the splash damage, accuracy is not so important then
What I hate about renegade is the n00bs (not the newbs) who refuse to listen to advice and insist on overmining (IE: 30 mines in one doorway), spam radio commands and generally cause havoc (no pun intended )
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258589 is a reply to message #258576] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 04:11 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:34 |
| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
I hate the fallowing things about renegade.
-Pic/railgun: Bullshit that they can do fucking 100 damage to your tank and you cant hit them or half the time see yourself being hit.
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tanks > PICs and Raveshaws. if you think otherwise, you can't handle a tank.
| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
-How Nod has stealth and GDI has nothing of that sort, on a map with no base defenses this is a way unfair advantage Nod dose not have to worry about a freakin' Ion in there base from someone they never saw coming!
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not really a big deal
| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 01:19 |
-How snipers damage helicoptors/humvees/arties/buggies/MRLS/ any vehicle more than a rocket or a tank shell dose.
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I agree this is stupid
what do I hate? cheats, flaming APCs, bluescreening, and people who whine about "pointwhoring" because they suck too much to do anything about it.
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Agreed.
Only thing I'd add is that I can see a reason for wanting to keep the damage for ramjets against copters (despite the fact that no one is actually willing to buy a pic/rave, that they'd rather just say there is nothing else that can do damage against a copter) What I don't understand is the ramjets doing damage against arty/MRL. There's no reason why ramjet would do more than pic/rave. There's already a lot of units that can take out an arty/mrl - so you can't really use the excuse of saying ramjet is the only effective means of destroying one. Med/arty/mrl/light/even an apc with remotes/pretty much any vehicle, so long as you're just better than the other player. Why on earth it still holds true that ramjets do more damage than anti-vehicle infantry? only God knows
To add to the list, though
Renegade's lag. (Seriously, the amount of warping in the game is ridiculous - Wonder where all the snipers would be if they couldn't hump their wall.
I also hate the amount of bullshit the community says its going to do. If something is expected to be coming out, the only safe thing to do is to think it's not coming out.
And I've always wondered why the Nod soldier does less than the GDI soldier, not that it makes me "hate" the game. I just don't understand why no one actually fixed this, or at least from what i've seen over the years.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258598 is a reply to message #258591] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 04:49 |
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As it has been stated already, the game was made like this for a reason. GDI Has the fire-power (Mammy's, gunners, etc..) (Yes I know in general mammys suck because they're slow and just free points) while nod has the stealth shit going down. What I can't understand about the game is GDI have shit tanks for tank against tank. IE: MRLS will get eaten alive by a Arty. 9/10 The light tank (With the right driver) will beat a med.
Even against buildings Nod is better off. Med does 5 round per bar while all of Nods tanks do more with the exception of the light which does 6. An arty will out kill a base before a mrls. A stank/flamer will out kill a base before a med. The only thing that can't be beaten is a mammy but you have to get to there base first.
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Off-Topic. Viking, you do like to make more then 3 threads per day don't you
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258606 is a reply to message #258591] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 06:10 |
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| danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 06:24 |
| Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 12:11 |
And I've always wondered why the Nod soldier does less than the GDI soldier, not that it makes me "hate" the game. I just don't understand why no one actually fixed this, or at least from what i've seen over the years.
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Because it's MEANT to be like that, so there's nothing to fix
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Well it pretty much fucks Nod up on certain maps. Stealth is hardly an advantage because pretty much in all base defense maps stealth can't get in except by means of like following the harvester which can just be mined. So just SOL Nod? Being able to kill the harvester or at least have the ability to defend it would be a help. I would get that tanks could be more powerful on GDI's side to compensate for stealth. But why would the basic infantry be different? Why do you take what westwood/EA gave as if it was the bible. It's not like they could see ahead of time and know if it would imbalance things. Seriously, where does "stealth" have an advantage on field? Hourglass? etc.
[ edit]In fact, at the point of time when there was still patches going around, the majority of the community didn't even *KNOW* that the GDI soldier did more. In fact, I'd still say the majority doesn't know. All I'm saying is that Nod is generally at a disadvantage at most maps and it'd be nice to have an incentive of buying a Nod soldier over buying an engineer because the damage is piss poor[/edit]
While sbhs may seem like a "godsend" to some, i often times find it generally a waste since they could have bought a tank or something. Nothing really guarantees an sbh will even be able to get into their base because it might be mined. Not only that but you might randomly meet up with someone on the way. Not to say it can't be useful. But getting a tank guarentees something. And while someone is waiting around for 1400 dollars someone who bought an art or something early on will be doing more for his team.
As for the light tank beating the med tank 9/10. I don't really know what game you've been playing, but it's pretty much the other way around. Just because the light tank is fast doesn't mean you can't dodge tank shells. You can be unpredictable and make the person miss some, but you have to hit about 50% more of the time than the other person, and the person in the med tank should be able to do that, unless he's just terrible. You can have the best med driver vs the best light driver and it wouldn't even be a competition - not only that, but a hotwire > light tank's damage. (Yeah I know, SBHs, that's why you don't sit there standing still behind you tank for 20 seconds. You repair for like 2 seconds and get back in. I mean, an sbh would have to be REAL close to be able to get in your tank in only 2 seconds. So close, that you'd probably be able to see him. Or you can just go to your nearest tiberium field and repair in it. Your hotwire has enough health that you can repair for quite some time before having to go back in.
What's good about GDI can pretty much be summed up in two words: Medium tank. It is the best tank in the game for pretty much anything. It can holds its ground against any one vehicle. In order for an art to beat a med , it needs to hit the med two extra times more than the med does against the art. The light tank - heh - I don't even know, but it's a lot more. The stealth tank also needs two more shots (this *might* be the closest thing, maybe, but the rockets on the stealth tank are messed up sometimes and even if you do kill a med you'll probably have too low of health to survive, and that's a big if. Flame tank? too slow. Though of course it's good to use other tanks where it might be good, GDI pretty much needs med tanks if it wants to win against any good team.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258609 is a reply to message #258575] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 07:07 |
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I can see why people hate the Ramjet Rifle, but it was intended to be that powerful against light armored vehicles. I know several people who actually think Westwood never finished the Ramjet, which is incorrect. The quote below is the description from the Prima's Official Strategy Guide for Renegade in '02. I thought I'd share it with folks.
"The Ramjet is a high-tech sniper rifle with the same scope capabilities but far more powerful rounds; it has twice has much damage as the sniper rifle, the same as a Personal Ion Cannon. With jet-propelled shells roaring from its barrel, the Ramjet is fatal against all infantry and even potentially dangerous against vehicles. Though its rate of fire is lower than the sniper rifle, its reload time is faster."
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Mon, 14 May 2007 10:39 |
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What I think is terribly wrong with ramjets is that most people use them to shoot at vehicles that receive almost no damage from them, but get a lot of points for it and do it specifically for that.
I used to have really good tank skills a while back and used the terrain to my advantage all the time, but a few months ago I tried playing again and I think I lost them completely. Which is sad because I normally don't lose my skills in games. Sometimes it's the opposite... if I haven't played a game for a long time and get back to it, I'll actually play it better.
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258652 is a reply to message #258575] |
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my hate would be stanks giving out more points than mammies...(try shooting a stank with a minigunner...u get MORE points than mammies...)
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- n00bs, asswholes, teamhinderers
- The bad netcoding
- The glitches and stuff
A lot of people seem to be complaining about Sbh's. Sure they're useful, but I think they're more of a burden than a blessing for Nod. On maps like Field, instead of working as a team, half of Nod is running around on the Field with an SBH, thinking they could steal a couple tanks. Most of the time it just proves to be a waste of time, and it takes away from the number of people actually doing something.
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258664 is a reply to message #258628] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 13:16 |
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| bluethen wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 18:46 |
The n00bs.
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ROFL so you own a really gay blue land?
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 May 2007 05:22 |
| Memphis wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 03:54 |
...fatally die to death...
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I don't know if you meant to do that, but triple redundancy for teh win. I LOL'ed.
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| Canadacdn wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 21:11 |
- Mods that bitch, complain and eventually ban or kick you when you kill them on their server
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It gets a bit worse when they threaten to temp ban you for something you do that they didnt like (even if it was 'legal'), and reverse pshychology fails
But seriously, its annoying when a mod is bitching, and, without realising he is a mod, you bitch back only to get thrown a 'disrespecting a mod' temp ban thrown at you...
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| Re: Renegade is great but what do you hate about it? [message #258672 is a reply to message #258575] |
Mon, 14 May 2007 13:50 |
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Yeah I really hate that, "Disrespecting a mod" shit what about a mode disrespecting a player? 
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"The Renegade community revolves around having something awesome, and not sharing it so you can be on top of the mountain." -Canadacdn
| Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 May 2007 05:22 |
| Memphis wrote on Tue, 15 May 2007 03:54 |
...fatally die to death...
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I don't know if you meant to do that, but triple redundancy for teh win. I LOL'ed.
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Awesome l337 people= Icedog90, Blazea58, Canadacdn, Crimson, jonwil
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| Viking wrote on Mon, 14 May 2007 21:50 |
Yeah I really hate that, "Disrespecting a mod" shit what about a mode disrespecting a player?
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I understand why the mods want respect, but i won't respect a whiny mod that thinks they can kick you for disrespecting them when they were bitching about you.
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