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Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 07:31 Go to next message
JohnDoe is currently offline  JohnDoe
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I think the following files can only be interpreted as cheats and should be blocked by the upcoming Renguard:

1. Stealth Tank sound...I think Blazer said something about this being blocked a while back.

2. Ion/Nuke beacon beeping sound...this is probably even more of an advantage, I just have to quickly fly over every building with an Orca on Walls_Flying to know where the beacon is.

3. Ion/Nuke beacon skins...the only reason why this is used is to gain an advantage.

While C4 skins like Spongebob will always be a touchy subject, I think the 3 types of files mentioned above aren't debatable. Now, will Renguard be blocking these? I hope so.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249262 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 09:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Next will be the banning of the countdown beeping of timed C4. Perhaps it will mean everyone using the original data file only.

I think that if you cannot find and defend beacons or C4 without worrying about unfair advantages then perhaps its time to move on.

One mans advantage is anothers didadvantage. Thats life.
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249266 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Shut up, moron...this was directed at BHS, not some five-year-old that averages 200 points a game on a public.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249268 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 11:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I would like a way to force certain players to use pure mode on the server.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249269 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 11:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thats possible without any SSC modifications....

set the server to pure mode.. and then when the SSC says xxx is useing skins.. only kick users who are not on the trusted list

if theres enough demand for this i can easily code it?
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249273 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 12:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You'd need to add every player to a trusted list that way, then take them off if you wanted them to use pure mode. Seems a little backwards and would be better if it was done properly.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249279 is a reply to message #249262] Sun, 11 March 2007 13:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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puddle_splasher wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 10:59

I think that if you cannot find and defend beacons or C4 without worrying about unfair advantages then perhaps its time to move on.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249281 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 13:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah, I'm not talking about that silly puremode...those 3 should just be added to the cheats category, because that's what they are.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249284 is a reply to message #249273] Sun, 11 March 2007 14:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Renx wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 13:19

You'd need to add every player to a trusted list that way, then take them off if you wanted them to use pure mode. Seems a little backwards and would be better if it was done properly.


would work exactly like forcerg...
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249290 is a reply to message #249281] Sun, 11 March 2007 15:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You do realize that you're now calling BHS/Jonwill a cheat creator? If i'm right, BHS/Jonwil made the beacon countdown for CP1/CP2.

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249291 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 15:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnDoe wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 09:31

I think the following files can only be interpreted as cheats and should be blocked by the upcoming Renguard:

1. Stealth Tank sound...I think Blazer said something about this being blocked a while back.

2. Ion/Nuke beacon beeping sound...this is probably even more of an advantage, I just have to quickly fly over every building with an Orca on Walls_Flying to know where the beacon is.

3. Ion/Nuke beacon skins...the only reason why this is used is to gain an advantage.

While C4 skins like Spongebob will always be a touchy subject, I think the 3 types of files mentioned above aren't debatable. Now, will Renguard be blocking these? I hope so.


#2 is part of the original game, built like that by Westwood. You aren't going to be blocking that anytime soon. The other two I agree with.
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249292 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 15:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He made the one that said "30 seconds remaining" and all that crap.. JohnDoe is talking about a completely different sound. You guys probably don't know what he's talking about because you haven't heard the sounds he's talking about.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249379 is a reply to message #249251] Sun, 11 March 2007 23:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Exactly...I said "beep" and I even explained what it does...I'm not giving it out so that more homos will be using it.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249385 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 00:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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We had this discussion before. An ideal renguard allows server owners to choose which .dds-files cannot be used on their server. An even more ideal renguard allows players with those .dds to join anyway but makes Renegade use the .dds in the always.dat instead of using the skin in data, as long as they're in that server.

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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249387 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 00:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought the beep sound was by default in Renegade, at least, I've always had it. Blush

I also have a nice stank and SBH skin, that makes them look like the Matrix. Does this count as cheating? I can provide a screenshot to show how much of an advantage they don't give. Tell Me

Other than that, I think that's the most sane post I've ever seen JohnDoe make. Big Grin
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249394 is a reply to message #249266] Mon, 12 March 2007 02:16 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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JohnDoe wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 12:01

Shut up, moron...this was directed at BHS, not some five-year-old that averages 200 points a game on a public.


LOL a moron!! Do as I said and get a fucking life.

If it was directed at BHS then you should have stated that. Then again, perhaps you think we are all psychic.

Ohhh! Hold on we are cause we know what your reply will be.

All the skins can be put to your advantage also. ie You will hear the Stank, yeah I agree that GDI will also hear you but thats just tough.

Its a game or perhaps we all forget that. A game that is rapidly dieing so IMHO any changes that are allowed may encourage players to stay a little longer.

While we are at it, this is a PUBLIC DISCUSSION CHANNEL, so if you do not want the PUBLIC to reply, would you consider posting in a private channel where, we the public, cannot give our thoughts?
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249397 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 02:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You still don't understand what I'm even talking about...just do everyone a favor and stay out of this topic. Friggan idiot...playing renegade in his mid life crisis and telling others to get a life.

Stop making this a "renguard should let server owners decide" discussion, this is not what I want...I just want at least the 2 sound files to be considered a cheat and automatically blocked. They're almost as bad as radar hack...and everybody whose used them before, knows. Clanwars.cc already considers them cheats...to bad they're undetectable.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249401 is a reply to message #249279] Mon, 12 March 2007 03:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 13:15

It's a shame there isn't really a rollseyes smiley on this forum.


Sarcasm


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249402 is a reply to message #249290] Mon, 12 March 2007 03:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Caveman wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 15:29

You do realize that you're now calling BHS/Jonwill a cheat creator? If i'm right, BHS/Jonwil made the beacon countdown for CP1/CP2.


Blazer made the beacon countdown and C4 beep sounds and Westwood posted a link to them on their newspage.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249425 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 07:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You guys still don't understand what he is talking about. The c4 beep and the countdowns for the nukes made by blazer is NOT what he is talking about.
The nuke he is talking about has a very, very loud and high-pitched beep to it. You can just fly over each building with an orca to be able to find the beacon.. Can you do that with the one that counts down? No.
The stank sound he is talking about lets you hear whenever stanks are around.. If you would have actually tried it, it makes the stanks be heard as far as from one of the paths on islands to the other.. Basically getting rid of the "stealth" of the stealth tank.


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Ralphzehunter wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 08:42

You guys still don't understand what he is talking about. The c4 beep and the countdowns for the nukes made by blazer is NOT what he is talking about.
The nuke he is talking about has a very, very loud and high-pitched beep to it. You can just fly over each building with an orca to be able to find the beacon.. Can you do that with the one that counts down? No.
The stank sound he is talking about lets you hear whenever stanks are around.. If you would have actually tried it, it makes the stanks be heard as far as from one of the paths on islands to the other.. Basically getting rid of the "stealth" of the stealth tank.


Do you mean this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15eyoka-VAA

If so i'm 99% sure that came with CP1/2


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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I agree with #1 and #3. #2 however, Crimson said that in the beta they tried playing with no beeping beacons, and it was *impossible* to find them and *every* beacon always went off.

If you want to challenge yourself, you could always put a 0 byte soundfile with the same name as the beacon beeping sound, and you won't hear it anymore Smile
Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249433 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 08:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm not talking about removing the beep altogether...that thing is default always.dat stuff. I'm talking about augmented beeps, that are 10 times as loud. If you want, I can send you a PM with the file attached.

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JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 09:56

I'm not talking about removing the beep altogether...that thing is default always.dat stuff. I'm talking about augmented beeps, that are 10 times as loud. If you want, I can send you a PM with the file attached.


So the sound clip in my video isn't the one you're talking about?


CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.


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Re: Renguard vs sound files + advantage skins [message #249442 is a reply to message #249251] Mon, 12 March 2007 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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It's the beep...beep...beep...beep sound...now just imagine that thing 10 times louder. Basically, go to the stop between ref and bar (about 30 seconds in your video), now add 6 Nod tanks rushing your base and the whole GDI team shooting them...at this point you'll still hear the beeping sound loud and clear.

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