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There are several reasons the youth of today is fucked up.
1) Welfare. If a woman can get knocked up and get more and more government money for each kid she pops out, she'll do it if she's too stupid to make money any other way and if she's fallen into the myth that her only value in this world is measured by how many males want to shove their penises inside her. The main downside to this is that the children grow up without a father because the mother doesn't need his income to survive. His child support (if he pays it) and government money is enough so that she doesn't have to hold a real job.
2) Rap music. I would think this was bullshit if I didn't see it firsthand. I watched that music transform my sister. She and I were raised very similarly and I didn't listen to that crap. That music glorifies and encourages sexual promiscuity and substance abuse and she definitely started participating in those things while I didn't.
3) Fear of spanking. I know it sucked to get spanked as a kid, but when children are very young, the pain consequence is all that really works. Spankings should be restricted to butts where the body is designed to withstand such an injury. Grounding your child to their room where they have a TV and video games isn't really a punishment.
4) Parents wanting to be friends. I think most parents these days don't seem to realize that their job is to be a PARENT, not a friend. Friendship with your children shouldn't happen until after they are grown up and moved out. Your job is to raise them to be a contributing member of society, not a worthless drain on it. It's downright CHILD ABUSE when parents give in to their kids' whining and teach them that if they cry and whine and beg, they'll get what they want. How does that help them later in life? They need to learn that if they want something, they need to EARN it. Every single day is a learning experience for a child and every experience shapes how they'll deal with situations as an adult.
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242581 is a reply to message #242229] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 16:48 |
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see thats exactly my point most of the people i know that are respectful and well mannered have at some point been physically taught manners by their parents. so whats so bad with spanking your child if its well deserved, i see nothing wrong with it. and i mean sure in north america your child can call the child protection services and report you, but in the end if your child keeps misbehaving and reporting you he/she will be taken away. personally i think for a child that would be even worse so no matter what if your child doesnt get the point of why they are being spanked and will get a foster home then perhaps this is the best for them... since in that case it is safe to assume you were failing at being a parent or your child just would not abide by your rules and no compromise could be reached
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242585 is a reply to message #242581] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 16:55 |
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| Romaner wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 23:48 |
since in that case it is safe to assume you were failing at being a parent or your child just would not abide by your rules and no compromise could be reached
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The way the chile behaves comes from the parent.
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242593 is a reply to message #242555] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 17:24 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 15:30 |
There are several reasons the youth of today is fucked up.
1) Welfare. If a woman can get knocked up and get more and more government money for each kid she pops out, she'll do it if she's too stupid to make money any other way and if she's fallen into the myth that her only value in this world is measured by how many males want to shove their penises inside her. The main downside to this is that the children grow up without a father because the mother doesn't need his income to survive. His child support (if he pays it) and government money is enough so that she doesn't have to hold a real job.
2) Rap music. I would think this was bullshit if I didn't see it firsthand. I watched that music transform my sister. She and I were raised very similarly and I didn't listen to that crap. That music glorifies and encourages sexual promiscuity and substance abuse and she definitely started participating in those things while I didn't.
3) Fear of spanking. I know it sucked to get spanked as a kid, but when children are very young, the pain consequence is all that really works. Spankings should be restricted to butts where the body is designed to withstand such an injury. Grounding your child to their room where they have a TV and video games isn't really a punishment.
4) Parents wanting to be friends. I think most parents these days don't seem to realize that their job is to be a PARENT, not a friend. Friendship with your children shouldn't happen until after they are grown up and moved out. Your job is to raise them to be a contributing member of society, not a worthless drain on it. It's downright CHILD ABUSE when parents give in to their kids' whining and teach them that if they cry and whine and beg, they'll get what they want. How does that help them later in life? They need to learn that if they want something, they need to EARN it. Every single day is a learning experience for a child and every experience shapes how they'll deal with situations as an adult.
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1). I agree to some extent
2). Yay, My theory could be right. 
3). Yeah, When I was naughty as a kid, My dad always went to take his belt off and I for one fucking ran for the hills, Then I lived in fear of not being naughty.
4). Yeah, Iv'e seen that quite alot. :/
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242596 is a reply to message #242555] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 17:32 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 15:30 |
There are several reasons the youth of today is fucked up.
1) Welfare. If a woman can get knocked up and get more and more government money for each kid she pops out, she'll do it if she's too stupid to make money any other way and if she's fallen into the myth that her only value in this world is measured by how many males want to shove their penises inside her. The main downside to this is that the children grow up without a father because the mother doesn't need his income to survive. His child support (if he pays it) and government money is enough so that she doesn't have to hold a real job.
2) Rap music. I would think this was bullshit if I didn't see it firsthand. I watched that music transform my sister. She and I were raised very similarly and I didn't listen to that crap. That music glorifies and encourages sexual promiscuity and substance abuse and she definitely started participating in those things while I didn't.
3) Fear of spanking. I know it sucked to get spanked as a kid, but when children are very young, the pain consequence is all that really works. Spankings should be restricted to butts where the body is designed to withstand such an injury. Grounding your child to their room where they have a TV and video games isn't really a punishment.
4) Parents wanting to be friends. I think most parents these days don't seem to realize that their job is to be a PARENT, not a friend. Friendship with your children shouldn't happen until after they are grown up and moved out. Your job is to raise them to be a contributing member of society, not a worthless drain on it. It's downright CHILD ABUSE when parents give in to their kids' whining and teach them that if they cry and whine and beg, they'll get what they want. How does that help them later in life? They need to learn that if they want something, they need to EARN it. Every single day is a learning experience for a child and every experience shapes how they'll deal with situations as an adult.
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This, along with:
5) Growing up Without a Father - http://fathersforlife.org/divorce/chldrndiv.htm
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63% of youth suicides are from fatherless homes.
[U. S. D.H.H.S. Bureau of the Census]
* 90% of all homeless and runaway children are from fatherless homes.
* 85% of all children that exhibit behavioral disorders come from fatherless homes.
[Center for Disease Control]
* 80% of rapists motivated with displaced anger come from fatherless homes.
[Criminal Justice and Behavior, Vol. 14 p. 403-26]
* 71% of all high school dropouts come from fatherless homes.
[National Principals Association Report on the State of High Schools]
* 70% of juveniles in state operated institutions come from fatherless homes
[U.S. Dept. of Justice, Special Report, Sept., 1988]
* 85% of all youths sitting in prisons grew up in a fatherless home.
[Fulton County Georgia Jail Populations and Texas Dept. of Corrections, 1992]
* Nearly 2 of every 5 children in America do not live with their fathers.
[US News and World Report, February 27, 1995, p.39]
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http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2006/07/parents_share_b.html
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Today, about 24 million American children go to bed each night in a home lacking a father. This is unacceptable and creates a climate that leaves children without the love and affirmation they need — too often leading to reckless and dangerous behavior. In fact, 70% of juvenile murderers grew up in father-absent homes.
To chalk up this recent spike in juvenile crime to a lack of government money is a tired and increasingly meritless argument.
Kids need both parents for their best chance to avoid crime.
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242609 is a reply to message #242229] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 18:50 |
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Yes, I agree. Growing up without a father kinda ties into all of these. A father is traditionally the tougher disciplinarian and without tough discipline, the child doesn't realize the penalties of when they do wrong. I did mention the whole fatherless aspect in #1. There are other reasons besides welfare that children can go without fathers, of course, and they are also a factor.
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| Re: Youth.. [message #242650 is a reply to message #242555] |
Wed, 31 January 2007 23:36 |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 15:30 |
There are several reasons the youth of today is fucked up.
1) Welfare. If a woman can get knocked up and get more and more government money for each kid she pops out, she'll do it if she's too stupid to make money any other way and if she's fallen into the myth that her only value in this world is measured by how many males want to shove their penises inside her. The main downside to this is that the children grow up without a father because the mother doesn't need his income to survive. His child support (if he pays it) and government money is enough so that she doesn't have to hold a real job.
2) Rap music. I would think this was bullshit if I didn't see it firsthand. I watched that music transform my sister. She and I were raised very similarly and I didn't listen to that crap. That music glorifies and encourages sexual promiscuity and substance abuse and she definitely started participating in those things while I didn't.
3) Fear of spanking. I know it sucked to get spanked as a kid, but when children are very young, the pain consequence is all that really works. Spankings should be restricted to butts where the body is designed to withstand such an injury. Grounding your child to their room where they have a TV and video games isn't really a punishment.
4) Parents wanting to be friends. I think most parents these days don't seem to realize that their job is to be a PARENT, not a friend. Friendship with your children shouldn't happen until after they are grown up and moved out. Your job is to raise them to be a contributing member of society, not a worthless drain on it. It's downright CHILD ABUSE when parents give in to their kids' whining and teach them that if they cry and whine and beg, they'll get what they want. How does that help them later in life? They need to learn that if they want something, they need to EARN it. Every single day is a learning experience for a child and every experience shapes how they'll deal with situations as an adult.
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I agree with 2 and 4, and I think that 3 really falls into 4 in a way.
Number 1 actually occurs most in the black community where the number of marriagable males, period, is relatively small (due to imprisonment, murder, etc.). Welfare doesn't necessarily have much to do with it, but poverty itself does.
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 31 January 2007 19:50 |
Yes, I agree. Growing up without a father kinda ties into all of these. A father is traditionally the tougher disciplinarian and without tough discipline, the child doesn't realize the penalties of when they do wrong. I did mention the whole fatherless aspect in #1. There are other reasons besides welfare that children can go without fathers, of course, and they are also a factor.
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Before anyone tries to slaughter him for using race, his statement is accurate. I don't remember the source but I heard it from the mouth of an African American Speaker of whom did a speech about Fatherless Children. Ah...The mandatory hell that was Communications class. At least this guy's speeches were well done.
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