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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238323 is a reply to message #238201] |
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Goztow
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| Caveman wrote on Tue, 09 January 2007 18:52 |
The most effective cheat detection i've found to work with 98% of damage hacks is to get the testee to get a engi goto the tunnels/open area and make them shoot the repair gun, whilst they're shooting it stand inline of it so it repairs you and keep walking backwords if they can still repair you after 10ft then they're cheating. I only know of 1 big damage hack where the repair gun DOESN'T have inf range.
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And then, about 1 year ago, cheaters started using right click cheats regulary.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238364 is a reply to message #236082] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 07:52 |
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Spyder
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I tested the cheat only...I did not spread the cheat and/or bypass. I deleted everything after testing it. It was just to show the effects to players. You can learn from this. Almost every new cheat is now using:
Left click=Instant Kill
Right click=Instant Heal.
Wallhacks are now using the same thing as radar hacks. You can turn them on or off in a second. This is cause of a new plugin created by some cheaters. It's called Renguard_Cheat_Allow.dll, it can hide or show alt models in seconds and remove them in seconds.
I never used the cheats again after testing it. And what I meant with the MRLS thing:
MRLS have no reload time. They shoot rockets like a chaingun!!!
Just believe me and don't ban me. After this movie I have never cheated again, this was the first AND last time. All servers I'm banned from on renegade is because of Lang or being accused for bighead, while i'm just a skilled sniper. Other reasons are: Joining the server, owning moderators on forums like Unsucks. Tthom( the server owner) banned me because I was right about something. That's why he is using the rule: Moderators are always right, even if they're not.
Ask the Renstation.net players about my sniping, they know what I mean.
Goztow and Crimson I demand you to delete or censor my IP address now! You don't have permission to show it, and computers can be hacked via IP Addresses and I don't want this to happen.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238367 is a reply to message #236082] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 08:24 |
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Goztow
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Let me put this clear: you cheat on public servers = you get banned = I post your ip so other server owners can decide if they ban you or not.
IP-adresses have nothing private: your computer happely sends it along to every site it visits or even to everyone you talk with on irc, ... You demanding me to censor it won't do the job, now if you asked me nicely, I'd prolly be willing to move it to the server owners forum.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238383 is a reply to message #238364] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 10:19 |
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Ryu
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| darksnipa wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 08:52 |
Goztow and Crimson I demand you to delete or censor my IP address now! You don't have permission to show it, and computers can be hacked via IP Addresses and I don't want this to happen.
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There are over 1,000,000 Ip addresses in the world, Your is will never be hacked, Unless the hacker was a retard who got pissy because you was hacking in a "game".
Hackers target Huge company's, Microsoft, CIA, PayPal etc etc
What good will they do hacking you? Maybe fucking your pc for there own Pleasure? Nah, I don't they would waste there own time hacking a home users PC.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238387 is a reply to message #236082] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 10:37 |
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Spyder
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How about this:
I have illegal information about gamecracking... I have software to make keygens...I spread loads of cracked programs and even more they can steal...
And the server owner knew about me cheating on that server. He gave me permission. The players didn't know I was, cause he hadn't told them and he wanted to know the effect himself. I didn't even get banned for it, so please stop about that. The video is for about 6 months old...
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238402 is a reply to message #238398] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 12:21 |
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Renerage
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Personally, i wouldnt ban him.
I think SOMEONE has to test the cheats, or you wouldnt even know what to be looking for
Leave him be, if he cheats again, then ban him.
He was very front about testing them, not sneaky, like REAL cheaters.
Sure, he ruined a game there on that video, but they will move on and continue playing.
This is the only cheater that i have ever stucken up for, i say,
Leave him be, Crimson and Blazer may even have something new to learn about the new RG bypasses via if they dont know them yet, and he does, they can catch it quicker.
I think its a learning phase for all of us.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238408 is a reply to message #238387] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 12:54 |
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Ryu
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| darksnipa wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 11:37 |
How about this:
I have illegal information about gamecracking... I have software to make keygens...I spread loads of cracked programs and even more they can steal...
And the server owner knew about me cheating on that server. He gave me permission. The players didn't know I was, cause he hadn't told them and he wanted to know the effect himself. I didn't even get banned for it, so please stop about that. The video is for about 6 months old...
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I'm sorry, What?
Dude, Ive pirated games, cracked Need For Speed Carbon, Norton, you name it, Been there, done that, Baught the T-shirt, Now, Last time I recall being hacked was never.
If you have infomation on cracking games, then good for you! when you pirate a game, It comes with a read me, And a "how to crack.pdf"
EDIT: about the speading warez and stuff, LOL.
There is a whole community of Pirateing, when I say pirateing, Cracked programs, music, games, ps2 games, psp games, XboX games, TV Shows. You name it, it's there, A Hacker would use BitTorrent instead of wasteing time on hacking someone for the program.
Matter of fact,I don't even think they would use BitTorrent, They would be smarter and have better re-sources.
Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238423 is a reply to message #238404] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 13:30 |
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Sniper_De7
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| cheekay77 wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 13:24 |
Either way he does it, who really cares.
Its his choice to test it in real online games, where they arent stupid like 1 player.
I dont know why your hating on him so much, every game has testers for this kinda crap.
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The guy has a "die!" boink, and he's "testing" cheats in a public server full of people. Yeah, it really looks normal to me. I don't see the point in what he did, please, tell me. Yeah, and it's his choice to test it on real online games and its all of the server owners choice to ban him.
For me, the fact that he's "testing" cheating when he obviously didn't have authority to in the server, the fact that he's got a "die!" boink sound (It must be really cool to kill a whole bunch of people while cheating and here that, eh?) And the fact that he tested it in a server full of people.
Oderint, dum metuant.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238429 is a reply to message #238423] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 13:47 |
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Renerage
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| Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 15:30 |
| cheekay77 wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 13:24 |
Either way he does it, who really cares.
Its his choice to test it in real online games, where they arent stupid like 1 player.
I dont know why your hating on him so much, every game has testers for this kinda crap.
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The guy has a "die!" boink, and he's "testing" cheats in a public server full of people. Yeah, it really looks normal to me. I don't see the point in what he did, please, tell me. Yeah, and it's his choice to test it on real online games and its all of the server owners choice to ban him.
For me, the fact that he's "testing" cheating when he obviously didn't have authority to in the server, the fact that he's got a "die!" boink sound (It must be really cool to kill a whole bunch of people while cheating and here that, eh?) And the fact that he tested it in a server full of people.
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That "die" boink sound rocks 
I like it, i would use it.
A pissed off noob Once said:
I DESLIKE YOU!
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238439 is a reply to message #236082] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:12 |
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Crimson
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You should have made your video or done your testing in a private server with willing participants... that's what everyone else does.
My way of testing cheaters kind of involves cheating yourself... but if you're a server owner than you have no one to answer to but yourself.
Basically, you create an objects.ddb file with tracers activated on all the guns, different colors for the alt-fire. Then, if you tell the player to right click and the tracer is clearly the left-click color, then you can say "no, your OTHER right-click" and they will know they are busted because you know which button they're pushing. Of course, to do this, you have to "cheat" by loading a custom objects.ddb file, and tracers are a huge advantage so you'd want to leave again and come back without the objects file loaded if you want to play, but I have used this several times on my server when I'm watching from IRC and someone is complaining about a cheater. I've busted people taking out the C-130 by watching when a tracer hits the plane and it disappears, and following the line to its source.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #238481 is a reply to message #236082] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 16:32 |
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Veyrdite
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that movie remind me of a apc i saw online once on a non-modded map firing repair gun for a sec or 2. i thought it was my net connection, maybe it wasn't
dont ban him, simply test him more often 
i have also heard of the alt+f6 cheat somewhere. what is it?
WOL: Veyrdite Previously: Dthdealer ( a long time ago )
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| Re: HOW TO Conduct a cheat-test : Advice for moderators [message #245051 is a reply to message #236082] |
Mon, 12 February 2007 15:20 |
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halo2pac
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ok u realy have to make cheaters open up there data dir and take a SS before u know they hack. that alone is not anough proof but that + all tests can show hacks, if u think some 1 has big head, u have to make them take a test with every char, cause they could have a incomplete set of heads. THE TESTS must be completed before the end of a game or before they quit, if the stand still to long in servers they can be auto kicked for afk, which allows them to get away, if u get a ss of data dir, compare it to a good dir, like a non cheating mod's dir. if u really wanna find out how to spot hacks use them your self and take notes, cause guess work is virtualy useless.
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