| Suggestion [message #237344] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 23:14  |
MexPirate
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How about a seperate area be put up where trusted moderators can submit proof that players are cheating - allowing the community to ban them if they wish/are satisfied with the evidence.
A lot of people are cheating nowadays and renguard isn't doing it's job, I know many of these people will be using an auto genereated serial hash and fake IP but should help to organise and tidy the efforts of people trying to eliminate the cheaters - will at least force the hackers to work a bit harder.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237349 is a reply to message #237344] |
Thu, 04 January 2007 23:41  |
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they seem to sprout up here a lot and pretty sure a lot of people who mod servers dont/cant check there tbh
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237375 is a reply to message #237374] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 03:21 |
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| IWarriors wrote on Fri, 05 January 2007 11:08 |
Do any of you play Americas Army and heard of ACI?, they have these scripts that alot of servers run, which connects to a master ban list, whenever a player is banned in a server, the ban is forward though this link to the master ban list which then bans the player in all the other servers.
We need something like this, its really effective, though should only be used on players who cheat and not for personal reasons.
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Has been discussed multiple times in server owners subforums and a couple of projects are being worked at already. One of them will be called "Renguard Lite".
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237390 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 04:57 |
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Crim, I was more or less talking about "server owners" that aren't server owners. Considering the proliferation of cheats and player paranoia, I think we should crack down on who has access to sensitive 'Server Owners Only' information like banlists, IPs, detection methods, etc. Not a big deal, just a thought.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237405 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 08:32 |
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| MexPirate wrote on Fri, 05 January 2007 00:14 |
How about a seperate area be put up where trusted moderators can submit proof that players are cheating - allowing the community to ban them if they wish/are satisfied with the evidence.
A lot of people are cheating nowadays and renguard isn't doing it's job, I know many of these people will be using an auto genereated serial hash and fake IP but should help to organise and tidy the efforts of people trying to eliminate the cheaters - will at least force the hackers to work a bit harder.
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'Tis a decent suggestion tbh, and it shouldn't just be the server-owner forum.... a sub=forum where any player can post ss's of someone who looks like they might be cheating, and a select few people get appointed as for want of a better word the "jury" and give a verdict for each one. Then any server owner could look at the sub-forum and dish out bans at their own discretion.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237423 is a reply to message #237421] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 11:10 |
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^^ that's part of why pirate is suggesting this... a centralised place for people to post e-v-i-d-e-n-c-e and a trusted group of people who would declare guilty, innocent or inconclusive
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237427 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 11:59 |
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This has been discussed before (as already pointed out) and I think that it was squelched because of the plans for RenGuard Lite. But since (a) RenGuard isn't very effective atm (b) RGlite isn't out yet ... I think this would be a good solution. We would have to establish rules on what kind of information could be posted, though (ie. IPs, hashes, etc.).
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237428 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 12:02 |
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IPs and hashes shouldn't be posted publicly... it'd be reasonable to post associated nicks from like IPs/hashes though.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237432 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 12:13 |
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Yeah, I was just saying we'd have to be careful about how this was played out so that we don't cause more problems than the ones we're trying to deal with.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237435 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 12:31 |
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Even if no IP or serial info was given out, it'd still be a worthwhile thing and I fail to see a possible disadvantage, assuming the appointed 'jury' were competent.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237440 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 14:01 |
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well we need to do something, I hear a lot of talk about working together as a community and stuff but never see anything done.
Cheats are killing this game and 1.04 is what a year overdue? if it helps even some people and some players are prepared to collect evidence and try to help the community then I fail to see a downside.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237441 is a reply to message #237405] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 14:04 |
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| MaidenTy1 wrote on Fri, 05 January 2007 09:32 |
'Tis a decent suggestion tbh, and it shouldn't just be the server-owner forum.... a sub=forum where any player can post ss's of someone who looks like they might be cheating, and a select few people get appointed as for want of a better word the "jury" and give a verdict for each one. Then any server owner could look at the sub-forum and dish out bans at their own discretion.
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this is exactly what I meant btw incase anyone got confused.
A clean easy to read forum for this sort of thing: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=22490&start=0&rid=2 0804 is what we need, so people dont need to locate the posts in the sea of flames.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237445 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 14:14 |
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In otherwords this is what you guys are looking for?
http://www.teamwonderful.net/logsearch.php?page=docs
http://www.teamwonderful.net/logsearch.php?page=guidlines
Its basically a public banlist where servers can opt in to use and they can select which punishments they would like to enforce on their server. In the system above that I designed for the Official BF2 Server Owners Group only 3 people had access to add bans. Even then the only way to add a ban was from the private adminstration panel. When a ban request is reviewed an administrator can accept, deny or ignore it. If its denied its deleted. If its accepted a second admin must then verify it. The three people who were given access were indianscout(bfroe.com), kingdave(bf2rankedservers.com) and myself(BF2 Server Owners Group Founder).
That system I made was developed for BF2 and for the most part is was completed. The only part that wasn't finished was the server side end because we couldn't find a python programmer.
I take it thats the kind of system you guys are thinking of though?
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237449 is a reply to message #237447] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 14:26 |
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| warranto wrote on Fri, 05 January 2007 22:19 |
What about a "submission box". It posts into a private thread that only the enforcers can see. No one else can view the forum, but new posts are sent directly there.
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User clicks on "submit evidence" link (or whatever)
They then generate the post as they would always be able to do in a forum.
When they click submit it rerouted to a private forum.
This way any and all information that person is able to collect can be posted without having to worry about the wrong people looking at it.
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This is how rencommunity.com news is submitted already.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237455 is a reply to message #237344] |
Fri, 05 January 2007 15:57 |
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Before RenGuard was released, the Server Owners forum was originally created by me as a way for us to quickly spread IPs of cheaters to other server owners. Cheaters quickly found that if they cheated on a server, they were banned from most of the popular servers in the community within hours.
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| Re: Suggestion [message #237916 is a reply to message #237344] |
Mon, 08 January 2007 03:27 |
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OK, my current thoughts are that strike-team host a forum and as many communities as possible link to it, Olaf could then appoint moderators who know what they are doing to make a decision on whether conclusive proof has been provided.
If someone is proven to cheat then an XWIS and renguard ban should be put in place - possibly a suspension for a first offence (at moderators discretion)
Perhaps it would be best that all bans be put to a poll so that no one person has the power to enforce a ban and nobody can claim bias.
If you don't want the link, please edit my post rather than deleting it entirely.
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