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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234536 is a reply to message #234123] |
Sat, 16 December 2006 15:49   |
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It sounds like they just tried to shut you up. If you don't do something about it, yeah ... you're fine for now ... but then the next guy has to worry about it. I'm not trying to egg you on, because I completely understand your situation and I'm happy for you. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and if white people keep "tolerating" this kind of bullshit, its not going to get any better.
As for what PuddleSplasher said: "No individual shall be disadvantaged or looked upon less favourably due to race, colour, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age." He was being put at a disadvantage of not getting a job that he was more qualified for because of his race/color. The reason I screamed "DISCRIMINATION!" in my first post in this thread is, because all Affirmative Action is, is discriminating the discriminators. Two wrongs don't make a right. And to add on that, I honestly think that most people would agree (and even find statistics to back this up) that more blacks discriminate whites than whites discriminate blacks.
I was walking down the street with my fiancee about a month ago when an older black man ... who looked kinda shady (not because of his color, but because of the fact that he wasn't shaven and has a strange demeanor to him) started following us. I just blew it off and kept walking. But he continued to walk faster and chase up with us - so finally I told my fiancee that he could be trouble so slow down a bit and walk ahead of me in case he tries to pull some crap. When he caught up to us he was like "can I get a jump" (apparently for his car) and I told him that I was nowhere near my home or vehicle and that I couldn't help him. His response? A very agressive "Why are all you crackers around here so damn racist?!". Which is pretty damn racist in itself.
I think the discrimination problem has turned on the "working, able-bodied white man" and since we are numerically inferior these days not a damn things is being done about it. That is why I am so adamant about dealing with these kinds of things as they happen...
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234582 is a reply to message #234536] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 00:54 |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 16 December 2006 17:49 |
It sounds like they just tried to shut you up. If you don't do something about it, yeah ... you're fine for now ... but then the next guy has to worry about it. I'm not trying to egg you on, because I completely understand your situation and I'm happy for you. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and if white people keep "tolerating" this kind of bullshit, its not going to get any better.
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I do agree with you but i have to keep working. In the meantime i can get more involved in other things than just playing games online or sitting at home watching the stupid tube.
I also am looking into starting my own business.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234596 is a reply to message #234527] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 04:06 |
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| gamemodding wrote on Sat, 16 December 2006 16:04 |
so...wouldn't that mean that there should be toilets for:
black woman;
black men;
white woman;
and white men.
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NO!!!!!!! There is no difference in a female anatomy wether she is black, white etc.
Same for men.
Therefore it makes no sense, nor is it logical to have the same coloured attendant for every colour of people.
By the sounds of it you might prefer to have everyone use their own areas.
Imagine going into a shop, looking for an assistant to ring up your purchase, not stopping until you get an assistant of your own race and colour. How many assistants are now needed. Separate checkouts etc.
YOU MY FRIEND probably are the RACIST. We are merely trying to understand and prevent the racial abuse that follows.
Sorry Dark, again for the hi-jack. Perhaps this is one for another topic. Should we tolerate Discrimination.
See you back in our server.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234626 is a reply to message #234607] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 09:56 |
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Thats proper law. I see no wrong in a situation like that.
Thats why its called (in the UK) Positive discrimination. It only defines that if there is a job that needs filled specifically by male or female, then it grants a right to the employer to fullfill their obligation by selecting male/female respectively.
I too have only given an example. But in the UK this is LAW.
Imagine a family member in a nursing home. Who would you prefer washes and cleans your Mums body in the shower and bath? A man? certainly not for me, thats undignified. Now this is where Positive discrimination takes place.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234690 is a reply to message #234630] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 17:58 |
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| gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 12:10 |
well, i gotter admit that yes, i am racist. but, only to certain people. i hate people that come to this country and settle.
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People that "come to this country and settle" aren't a race. This just makes you a bigoted moron, not racist. Relax!
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1) they think they own the place.
2) they think they have the right to discriminate english people.
3) they cripple the ecomamy.
4) they set up market stalls selling ilegal/broken or poor goods.
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The fallacy of accident / Sweeping generalization / Dicto simpliciter
A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation, but the features of that particular situation mean the rule is inapplicable. It's the error made when you go from the general to the specific. For example:
"Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must dislike atheists."
This fallacy is often committed by people who try to decide moral and legal questions by mechanically applying general rules.
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cause = time
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234711 is a reply to message #234699] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 19:13 |
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| gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 20:24 |
and not only that, the list can apply to british born people who have had parents/ancesters that were born in other countrys example:
everysingle girl in our school that is "black" seems to think they are best at everything, they are always right and think they have the right to "bully" anyone who dis-aggrees with them.
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Hey guys, I had an experience with a minority so all of the aforementioned minority is just like that.
| gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 20:24 |
i could be a hipocrit for saying this but i do stereotype "blacks", this is the reasult of being stereotyped as a teenager.
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I think that's just a result of you being stupid.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234724 is a reply to message #234123] |
Sun, 17 December 2006 22:49 |
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I am *EXTREMELY* discriminate against TYPES of people. I would argue that many people are. So if one race identifies with one of these traits a lot more than another, that makes me dislike them more than the other.
Another point, while I'm on the subject: if you look at crime statistics, education statistics, etc. and look at the actual facts - you will notice well-defined differences between a few ethnicities. Hell, when you look at any official crime statistic they break it down by race. Why would they bother doing that if there wasn't such a difference?
This just goes to show that some races are more STEREOTYPICALLY not as intelligent, more likely to comit crime, and more susceptible to certain illnesses. Though this does not mean that ALL persons of this ethnicity are going to fit this stereotype ... it does prove (by facts and history) that people have a valid reason to look at them differently because of their race.
To get to the point, I have had numerous black friends throughout my life. Not only did I grow up in the south burbs of Chicago where I (white people) was the minority, but I have served in the U.S. military where there is a very diverse spread of cultures. The reason I chose to be friends with the person who was black was the same reason I would be friends with anyone of any other race. However, generally speaking, I do not care for black people. Does that make me a racist? Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime ... that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia) ... and that they are usually less intelligent? No - I do not think that makes me racist at all.
--If you are lazy, its your fault (because you choose to be).
--If you do not speak properly, its your fault (because you choose to speak like an idiot)
--If you don't make something of yourself and spend your life in the ghetto, its your fault (because you didn't pick yourself up)
--If you have 10 kids and can't support them, its your fault (because you're ignorant and selfish and have no responsibility)
If "racism" and its many faces of discrimination are going to change in this world ... we need to look past the "color" and see the source of the problem which is ultimately people fucking themselves over with poor decisions.
My conclusion (in relation to the topic)? Affirmative action *IS* discrimination and should not be tolerated. If a black person is more qualified ... give the damn job to them. If a hispanic is willing to work for less, fuck the white boy who thinks he's too good for that - because he's too lazy to accept such a humbling job. But regardless, when qualified candidates DO want to work and cannot ... that is blatant racism; and for the last 10 years or so it has come alive in the form of affirmative action and turned around on able-bodied white folks. And quite frankly, I'm fed up.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234748 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 01:33 |
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gaymodding - you are a fucking moron.
Xptek pretty much covered what needed to be said why not think about what you are saying before spouting retarded bullshit eh?
Our health service would be completely fucked if it wasn't for asian doctors, just to give one example of how the people coming in to our country support it.
It's a mexican pirate .... F*ck a dog by Blink 182
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234750 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 01:37 |
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oh and btw, you try and talk to the UK based part of BT's callcentre - unless you want to speak to sales you will wait up to 100 minutes (as I did), then try ringing the indian support centre the phone will most likely be picked up within a few rings and the person on the other end of the phone will actually know what a PC is. If only they were able to deal with all aspects of BT's incompetence.
It's a mexican pirate .... F*ck a dog by Blink 182
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234772 is a reply to message #234724] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 05:48 |
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| fl00d3d wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 00:49 |
Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime
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Just remember that poverty creates crime, not race.
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that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia)
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Uh, sickle-cell can occur in any race.
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and that they are usually less intelligent?
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Do you have anything to back that up?
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No - I do not think that makes me racist at all.
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Nah, just makes you a bigoted and misinformed moron like gamemodding.
cause = time
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234779 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 07:49 |
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Uhh... since when does race make someone more likely to commit a crime? If you look at a city like Detroit and see that it's mostly black, and you see that it has a MUCH higher crime rate than a white community, you're not mistaken to assume that blacks DO commit more crimes, but it's all about the environment. Blacks, as opposed to whites, live in poverty stricken areas more than whites do.
I think it may be safe to say that blacks, in general, want more things handed to them and won't work to better themselves, but it's not a product of their race. It's clearly the result of conditioning from generations past. However, I'm not relieving blame for their actions.. but they aren't directly related to their race.
As for them being less intelligent... that's another product of their environment. A human is a human. Why are Asians better at math than Americans? Because of their culture. Why are more white people in corporate America? Because of their upbringing. The same goes for any race. It's not a product of their race, but a product of their environment. We all live in different environments, and we'll grow up differently because of that.
whoa.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234784 is a reply to message #234779] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 08:20 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 08:49 |
As for them being less intelligent... that's another product of their environment. A human is a human. Why are Asians better at math than Americans? Because of their culture. Why are more white people in corporate America? Because of their upbringing. The same goes for any race. It's not a product of their race, but a product of their environment. We all live in different environments, and we'll grow up differently because of that.
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That bit I would disagree with, Black people on average are bigger built and faster runners than chinese for example - certain physical characteristics are influenced by race and intelligence of certain types can also be affected by race. No argument that culture, lifestyle and upbringing have a much larger effect though.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234790 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 08:55 |
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You guys should consider noone ever managed to give a definition of 'race'. For hitler it was three generations of Germans, but he didn't really build this on anything either.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234834 is a reply to message #234772] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 15:59 |
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| xptek wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 07:48 |
| fl00d3d wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 00:49 |
Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime
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Just remember that poverty creates crime, not race.
People comit the crimes. And I don't care how poor you are, that does not justify any violent crime. Go read the crime statistics for ANY U.S. city and you will find that african american crime statistics are significantly higher.
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that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia)
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Uh, sickle-cell can occur in any race.
You're right, it can. But something like 95% of the people that have it are african american.
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and that they are usually less intelligent?
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Do you have anything to back that up?
Literacy: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69
SAT Scores: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171
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No - I do not think that makes me racist at all.
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Nah, just makes you a bigoted and misinformed moron like gamemodding.
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I've proven my facts and shown intelligent discussion. You've only thrown personal opinions into this. So once you can address the issues above, you can talk to me on my level.
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| Re: GRRRRRRRRRR [message #234844 is a reply to message #234123] |
Mon, 18 December 2006 16:16 |
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Did you also figure in the percentage of those crime rates that were committed by poverty-stricken individuals? Did you figure in the amount of students living in poverty with those scores? You can't just look at one variable and form an opinion when there are multiple variables to figure in.
whoa.
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