| Global warming - reloaded [message #228650] |
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/27102006/323/global-warming-cost-20 -percent-gdp-british-cabinet-told.html
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Global warming could cost 20 percent of GDP, British cabinet told
LONDON (AFP) - Lack of action by the world over climate change could cost countries up to a fifth of their gross domestic product, a former World Bank chief economist told the British cabinet, The Independent reported.
Nicholas Stern told Prime Minister Tony Blair and his cabinet colleagues on Thursday, in a preview of a report he is due to deliver on Monday on the economic consequences of climate change, that it would cost the world one percent of its annual GDP to fight off global warming.
Doing nothing, however, would cost between five and 20 times that amount.
The contents of Stern's report, commissioned by the British finance ministry, have been kept secret since being revealed to the world's environment ministers at a conference in Mexico earlier this month.
"He left no one in any doubt that doing nothing is not an option ... And he stressed that the need for action was urgent," an unnamed civil service source told the newspaper.
The Independent said that the finance ministery hoped Stern's report would turn the tide of public opinion in the United States, and dispute the American government's assertion that cutting carbon emissions was bad for economic growth.
"Its biggest impact could be on public opinion in America, which is like turning around a tanker," an unidentified official said to the newspaper.
Meanwhile, The Financial Times reported on Friday that the report would propose a large expansion in the market for trading carbon emissions in an effort to slow the growth of emissions around the world.
Big polluters would be able to cut emissions to the level of credits they held, buy new credits in the market, or earn new credits by investing in carbon-efficient technologies in developing countries.
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Keep saying it's a natural cycle, Bush! 
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228674 is a reply to message #228650] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 08:04  |
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It is like my father said, you can sit down all the scientists who do believe in Global Warming and none of them would even agree with each other. The whole "Global Warming" thing is just stupid.
David Anderson
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228675 is a reply to message #228669] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 08:06 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 15:47 |
Why do people always deny that it's a natural cycle? It's been proven several times. The North and South poles have switched positions several times over the course of the world's existence. Climates warm up and cool down.
Plus, Global Warming has yet to be widely accepted by scientists. Last I knew, most scientists didn't believe in Global Warming.
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Yup, keep saying that!
As long as not all scientists agree we must just take the chance and hope the ones saying it will not happen are right! And if they aren't... oh well, we took the shot.
You're playing Russian roulette.
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228741 is a reply to message #228681] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 14:49 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 17:22 |
Goztow:
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It is like my father said, you can sit down all the scientists who do believe in Global Warming and none of them would even agree with each other. The whole "Global Warming" thing is just stupid.
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Sure, taking precautions wouldn't hurt anything if Global Warming is just bullshit. However, dumping taxpayer money into research and other advances is a waste of money when something isn't proven.
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How is taking care of the environment ever a waste of money?
Even if it wouldn't do a thing to global warming, it would at least make the air you breath a bit purer, hence less deseases, hence less health care, hence less money wasted on that.
You knew that health care is the biggest part of most government's budget?
The ROI is positive in the long run, no matter how you turn it.
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228787 is a reply to message #228743] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 21:36 |
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 16:04 |
It doesn't matter, it's a natural event. There is nothing that can be done about it, so we should sit here and do nothing.
The same can be said for any natural "thing", be it disease, rain, flooding, wind. Why bother putting research into preventing something (or at least lessening the impact of it)that will just happen anyways?
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Nothing that cant be done about it`?... thats just fucking stupid.
You can stop flooding if you build sea defences but as sea defences cost alot of money and the idiots building them never build them high enough or good enough they fail like what happend to that yank city...
When you build shit you pay for it in the end.
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228788 is a reply to message #228743] |
Mon, 30 October 2006 21:49 |
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 17:04 |
It doesn't matter, it's a natural event. There is nothing that can be done about it, so we should sit here and do nothing.
The same can be said for any natural "thing", be it disease, rain, flooding, wind. Why bother putting research into preventing something (or at least lessening the impact of it)that will just happen anyways?
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Reducing the massive amounts of crap we pump into the atmosphere would be a start.
People don't realize that money won't matter if we don't have a planet that can support human life.
cause = time
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228805 is a reply to message #228650] |
Tue, 31 October 2006 01:26 |
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The same can be said for any natural "thing", be it disease, rain, flooding, wind. Why bother putting research into preventing something (or at least lessening the impact of it)that will just happen anyways?
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If disease is a natural cycle, then why the hell are we putting all that tax payer's money into AIDS research?
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228827 is a reply to message #228824] |
Tue, 31 October 2006 05:53 |
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| help-linux wrote on Tue, 31 October 2006 13:33 |
| Goztow wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 15:06 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 15:47 |
Why do people always deny that it's a natural cycle? It's been proven several times. The North and South poles have switched positions several times over the course of the world's existence. Climates warm up and cool down.
Plus, Global Warming has yet to be widely accepted by scientists. Last I knew, most scientists didn't believe in Global Warming.
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Yup, keep saying that!
As long as not all scientists agree we must just take the chance and hope the ones saying it will not happen are right! And if they aren't... oh well, we took the shot.
You're playing Russian roulette.
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we suvived the last ice age. we are easily capible of suviving this one.
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We also survived the world wars, that doesn't mean we don't need to do everything we can to stop it from happening again!
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| Re: Global warming - reloaded [message #228834 is a reply to message #228827] |
Tue, 31 October 2006 08:07 |
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| Goztow wrote on Tue, 31 October 2006 07:53 |
| help-linux wrote on Tue, 31 October 2006 13:33 |
| Goztow wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 15:06 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 30 October 2006 15:47 |
Why do people always deny that it's a natural cycle? It's been proven several times. The North and South poles have switched positions several times over the course of the world's existence. Climates warm up and cool down.
Plus, Global Warming has yet to be widely accepted by scientists. Last I knew, most scientists didn't believe in Global Warming.
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Yup, keep saying that!
As long as not all scientists agree we must just take the chance and hope the ones saying it will not happen are right! And if they aren't... oh well, we took the shot.
You're playing Russian roulette.
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we suvived the last ice age. we are easily capible of suviving this one.
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We also survived the world wars, that doesn't mean we don't need to do everything we can to stop it from happening again!
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Indeed, if we put enough money into stopping this, we can save our world, but I fear that mankind is too stupid and slow... so much talking and little action...
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