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Dispute between WG and Tsunami [message #228121]

Wed, 25 October 2006 10:11

fl00d3d
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Registered: August 2003
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Viva la Resistance!

Justin Schultz (aka {WG}sm0ke) is up to his bullshit again, apparently.
Let me explain:

About a month ago I recognized that Crimson had cut Justin a break and gave
him a chance to clean up his act. She gave him access to the private
server owners forum (which he still has to the best of my knowledge). I
figured that was enough for me ... plus his persistant promises that he was
done flooding. He said that his clan was interested in joining my
community. When I explained the details of the community structure he said
he would discuss it with his members, vote on it, and get back to me with a
decision.

About a week ago Nightma12 and I pursued an option to silence "teh pwnerer"
who owns RenCorner and try to get the 04 nickname that he's been using. We
spoke with Kamuix and worked out a deal. The deal was as follows:
"The 04 nickname will be property of The Tsunami-Alliance for no less than
six months. Kamuix will be compensated with a dedicated server."

Justin said "don't worry I have this covered" and volunteered to cover the
expenses of this server. He already had a dedi paid for and just handed it
over to Kamuix so that we could get this rolling quickly. He said he was
doing it because of his mutual hatred for "teh pwnerer". He also said his
clan would be joining The Tsunami-Alliance.

This past week went by, no apparent problems ... pretty quiet on all
fronts, actually. I had created the forums for {WG} to use as well as a
teamspeak channel for them to use on our community teamspeak. I gave sm0ke
SA.

A day or two ago {WG} played #GW clan and there was some drama between them
saying "{WG} cheated" and "#GW flooded our server". I never saw proof of
either but I warned Justin that cheating would not be tolerated in Tsunami.
Though I do tend to believe #GW more than I would trust {WG} all things
considered. It was also at this time that I confronted sm0ke and said
something close to "look man you need to have your members using our forums
and teamspeak otherwise it defeats the purpose of joining the community" -
cuz they were still using their old forums. He told me that he wouldn't
force them to do anything, would not shut down their forums, etc.

I said, you guys voted on this and agreed if you can't hold your end of the
bargain I will will shut down your forums and teamspeak channel (took his
SA) and when you're ready ... you can join. I made it VERY clear that it
was not personal. I just cannot compromise the structure of my community
by making exceptions. He seemed OK with it and said he would talk to his
members.

Yesterday, Cpt.Howdy of _OZ_ who has been helping him with their website
and is also my new webmaster told me that Justin said I "did him wrong". I
had no idea wtf he was talking about so I asked him. Justin assured me
that he never said that and that there were no problems.

Today, I wake up to find that Justin told Kamuix to reset the password so
that he could use it on his server -- or he'd shut down the box he gave
him. So now 04 is running on {WG}The Wargrounds AOW/CCM.

This nickname is property of my community and I am declaring it as STOLEN.
The original agreement is that the nick is property of Tsunami Alliance in
exchange for a server. Under NO circumstances was it said that if Justin
decided to pull his funding/box that the nick would become his. Nightma12
and I will provide Kamuix with a box since Justin has decided not to. But
that does NOT make the nickname his.

I gave him a chance to be a part of our community. I gave him confidence
where many others would not. And this is how he "does me wrong".

Tell me, Justin ... where did I do YOU wrong? What justifies:
--You lying to me about everything being ok
--You stealing a nickname that you know is not your property

I have a feeling this was premeditated and done intentionally. Justin has
always been looking for a way to forward his community/server and I think
this was just another plot to do just that. Why else would he want to
join the community - but not actually join it ... at the same time that
this nickname deal was going down? Why else would he volunteer hundreds of
dollars "just cuz"? This is really low and unexpected.

I have countless MSN conversations and IRC logs backing up every
conversation him and I have had. I also have Crimson as my witness to the
04 nickname agreement.

[Updated on: Wed, 25 October 2006 12:17] by Moderator