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A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226897] Mon, 16 October 2006 13:45 Go to next message
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Suit: McDonald's lied about ingredients in french fries that are harmful to autistic children

It's an interesting read. At first I though it was a bogus lawsuit, but after reading it, it may be something that's not as bad as suing for making people fat, or buring themselves on the coffee.

There are actually some relevant things to consider. Now, whether or not it demands the damages being sought, I won't comment on. It's interesting nonetheless.
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I don't know. I see some merit to it, but a lot of it people are just asking too much. Sure, I can see where they're coming from, but this is still a (mild) case of people doing as they want as carelessly as they want until something happens, and now they want retribution. People don't want to be held responsible for their actions.

If the FDA cannot make restaurants provide information on allergens, I see no reason to put blame on McDonald's.


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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226901 is a reply to message #226897] Mon, 16 October 2006 14:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The reason I'm stating it may make sense, is that the alledgedly lied about what the frying oil contained.

It's one thing to not mention something, it's another to state and advertises it doesn't exist (check the copy of the letter they have), when it does exist.

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"The real issue here is that McDonald's put these items on a list of gluten-free menu items," says Florida attorney Brian Smith, who currently represents about 50 individuals, mostly children, who suffer from milk allergies, celiac disease and autism.



Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226914 is a reply to message #226897] Mon, 16 October 2006 17:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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McDonalds rule!

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If the FDA cannot make restaurants provide information on allergens, I see no reason to put blame on McDonald's.


Couldn't agree more. Also, McDonals were in business for a long long time, and for this first time (afaik) this has happened. Put the blame on the person who ate there, everyone else who eats there doesn't have any problems.


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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226934 is a reply to message #226914] Mon, 16 October 2006 20:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Matix wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 20:38

Put the blame on the person who ate there, everyone else who eats there doesn't have any problems.


So if Dairy Queen tells people their food doesn't contain peanut products and someone allergic to peanuts eats there and gets sick/dies, we're supposed to put the blame on the person allergic to peanuts?

I'm not following your logic.


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"The real issue here is that McDonald's put these items on a list of gluten-free menu items," says Florida attorney Brian Smith, who currently represents about 50 individuals, mostly children, who suffer from milk allergies, celiac disease and autism.

From what I've heard about such gluten allergy is that just a tiny amount of non gluten free food can "poison a whole gluten-free meal, in such a way that people that are allergic t oit can simply die because of it. So I feel that is would be a strong case.

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Earlier this year, McDonald's acknowledged that its hash browns and french fries, which the restaurant chain historically had reported as allergen-free, in fact may contain wheat and milk ingredients from the oil they are cooked in.

THey are even admitting it, so some kind of compesation would be in it's place.


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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226963 is a reply to message #226897] Tue, 17 October 2006 04:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It doesn't have much to do with allergies, as it does that it appears to aggrivate the autism condition.

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The culprits, according to the suit, were gluten and casein — ingredients found in milk and wheat products — and which some parents of autistic children believe can exacerbate the condition.


They do mention a valid defence though:

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"No scientific research has consistently shown a connection," says Dr. Ami Klin, one of the country's leading autism experts and an associate professor at Yale University's School of Medicine. "It's a popular hypothesis, and something that is circulated among a group of individuals that have a grip on parents as to the importance of those things. But the reviews of that subject have not turned up any solid evidence."
Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226982 is a reply to message #226897] Tue, 17 October 2006 10:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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So now McDonald's is supposed to test all of its food on handicipped children, like lab rats?


Ahhh, ha ha ... classic.

I just think this is another case of people being retarded (regardless of whether there is validity to it or not). People are always looking for attention and money. Not to mention they'll probably declare that water causes cancer in a few years.

Also, if you have a mentally handicapped child (which is almost an oxymoron term for an autisitc child, but you get the point) shouldn't you be spending your extra money on healthy food rather than clogging your kids arteries?
Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #226985 is a reply to message #226934] Tue, 17 October 2006 10:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Meh, I think xptex sums it up quite nicely.


xptek wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 21:33

Matix wrote on Mon, 16 October 2006 20:38

Put the blame on the person who ate there, everyone else who eats there doesn't have any problems.


So if Dairy Queen tells people their food doesn't contain peanut products and someone allergic to peanuts eats there and gets sick/dies, we're supposed to put the blame on the person allergic to peanuts?

I'm not following your logic.


It's not that retarded if you are told there is nothing there, and believe the company, only to find out the company lied to you.
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I agree that McDonald's should have retribution for their lying, but it is not their responsibility to hold the consumer's hand. If the consumer has any food alergies, they should ask about that being in their food prior to their ordering and consuming the product. McDonald's, or any company/restaurant, should not expect to know everything about their individual customers. Their main responsibility is to provide their product within federal quality guidelines and sell them to their customers. Other than that, they shouldn't be held responsible. People have allergies to certain foods, but that is not the fault of any restaurant, nor the consumer, but it IS the CONSUMER's responsibility to ensure that they don't aggitate their allergies.

Edit: Would you blame a cat for aggitating someone's allergies? No, you would blame the person for having a cat. The same goes for this situation. You don't blame the company for selling their product, you blame the person for not being smart about their decisions to purchase the goods being sold.


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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #227003 is a reply to message #226897] Tue, 17 October 2006 12:15 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If the consumer has any food alergies, they should ask about that being in their food prior to their ordering and consuming the product.


They did. Which is the point of me saying that this lawsuit may actually make sense.

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Smith says some of his clients received literature from McDonald's, before the February announcement, touting its gluten-free items.
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Oh, I know, and I agree. I was just adding my comments on where the line should be drawn. Smile

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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #227008 is a reply to message #226897] Tue, 17 October 2006 12:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Heh, ah. I thought you were stating that THIS case fell under that statement.

This case aside, I agree completely.
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I think with all of the frivilous lawsuits against McDonald's, I think it was destined that there'd be, at least, one legit lawsuit.

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McDonalds should get sued and should lose the case because they lied in the first place, and if the parents of the kid, or even the kid would know himself, he is allergic to something in the food, but the company lied about it, he wouldn't know, he would just go eat it. McDonalds lied = shame

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Re: A Lawsuit Against McDonald's That May Actually Make Sense? [message #227193 is a reply to message #226897] Wed, 18 October 2006 13:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Well McDonalds is way too unhealthy anyway. But besides that; yeah I highly doubt the parent or anyone asked if that would happen at all, but then again I highly doubt McDonalds even knew that..

Just quit eating there, makes you fat anyway.
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Seriously, McDonald's is some gross-ass shit. I don't think I've eaten there in like 3-4 years. Their burgers just stopped resembling actual cow meat and I got disgusted by it.

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I haven't eaten there in approximately 11 years.

I had a cheeseburger one night before cadets because I was running late, got sick, and never ate there again. (My assumption is that standing at ease/attention for half and hour + McDonalds is not a good combination)
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Bad enough everything on the menu just makes you super-fat and can fuck you over.
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Why would it be lying if this were true?

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"No scientific research has consistently shown a connection," says Dr. Ami Klin, one of the country's leading autism experts and an associate professor at Yale University's School of Medicine. "It's a popular hypothesis, and something that is circulated among a group of individuals that have a grip on parents as to the importance of those things. But the reviews of that subject have not turned up any solid evidence."


If it's true that there is no real solid evidence, then I'm pretty sure McDonalds doesn't have to say "Well there's no solid evidence to support that such and such foods interacts with autistis folk. If a leading autism expert says that there is no solid evidence to suggest that it does anything bad, then I can't see why McDonalds would be at fault, if they were just listening to a leading autism experts statement.. I may be reading the whole thing wrong, but that's what I get out of it.


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They'd still be lying.

The only difference is that they wouldn't be to blame for what they are ultimately accused of.

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McDonalds doesn't lie about anything what-so-ever. The fact of the matter is it's bad to eat there period. I highly doubt some autistic child ate there and all of the sudden had a stroke; if so I bet there would be a lot more people getting sick there.

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McDonalds doesn't lie about anything what-so-ever


Proof has been provided.

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highly doubt some autistic child ate there and all of the sudden had a stroke


No one had a stroke...
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